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KFI waits until 1130AM to go all-fire coverage

calguy said:
4UH8SIMBKAGN said:
DoctorWu said:
Y'all are comparing apples to oranges. This is the RADIO board, not the TV board. Review the radio coverage on its own merits, not as compared to TV! Remember, not everyone can stay glued to a screen all day, and need to get information while mobile. With that in mind, I think T-Rae and the rest of the KFI staff did an excellent job.

Fact is, TV gets all the corporate resources (staff, choppers, mobile units) and radio gets few, and it's been that way since the middle '60s. Live with it.

-- Doc
KTLA is soon to move in with the Los Angeles Times and share resources. KNX and KFWB should move in with CBS 2 and KCAL 9 and share resources. It would be much better for cross promotion (which on a limited basis already occurs) and for the end product (especially after what I heard this past weekend). Tribune has already moved their CW station in Ft. Lauderdale in with their local newspaper. Media platforms should no longer be limited to or thought of in the the words "radio" or "tv" since both are streamed, the only area where english language radio and tv is growing. All areas of media are merging and that is only going to accelerate especially in the coming depression.

I was not at all impessed with KFI as they lacked the ability to adaquately present a breaking news story plus did not go to wall-to-wall coverage for over 13 hours after the fire in Sylmar started. They get a D- from me.

You know I mentioned the TV board in an earlier post and was trying to be polite, but I agree with DrWu, you're comparing apples to oranges. Leaving TV out of this radio did a fine job. You're opinion about KFI not doing wall to wall coverage is just that, an opinion. We've all got them. From someone who works in a radio station every day I think that you're out of touch with the reality of radio today and you can't compare radio to TV. KFI gets a B+ from me. As an additional note, moving TV in with Newspaper isn't my opinion of wonderful synergy. It's just being cost effective, plus with technology being what it is today there's no need to have radio in with TV, it all flies through the air or over the internet with relative ease.
"There's no need to have radio in with TV"...don't tell that to me when I'm in the car listening to the Fox News Channel on my XM radio. I love that and it stops me from listening to local radio news. TV news certainly is competing with radio news EVERYWHERE.

As for synergies, NBC 4, KWHY 22 and KVEA 52 are now going to share video with Fox 11 and My 13. They're just going to send one camera crew out rather than multiple ones to the same event (and selling the video/audio to anyone else as well). There is no reason for KFI, KNX or KFWB to not subscribe or in the case of KFWB and KNX get much of their audio for reports from KCAL 9/CBS 2.

Radio, tv and newspapers are moving towards combinations and are already on the same platform, the internet. Your comments are old school and short-sighted. Think forward, which you certainly are not.
 
4UH8SIMBKAGN said:
There's no need to have radio in with TV"...don't tell that to me when I'm in the car listening to the Fox News Channel on my XM radio. I love that and it stops me from listening to local radio news. TV news certainly is competing with radio news EVERYWHERE.

As for synergies, NBC 4, KWHY 22 and KVEA 52 are now going to share video with Fox 11 and My 13. They're just going to send one camera crew out rather than multiple ones to the same event (and selling the video/audio to anyone else as well). There is no reason for KFI, KNX or KFWB to not subscribe or in the case of KFWB and KNX get much of their audio for reports from KCAL 9/CBS 2.

Radio, tv and newspapers are moving towards combinations and are already on the same platform, the internet. Your comments are old school and short-sighted. Think forward, which you certainly are not.
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Yes, their sharing platforms, it's a wonderful love story. I'm sure the employees at KTLA and The LAT are just beside themselves with the thought of being together because they know that soon there will be more layoffs for both. Putting Radio, TV and newspaper facilities together is nothing new and as I said it's cost effective but I think you've gotten off point. This is a radio board and we've been talking (typing) about coverage of the fires on RADIO. It's always been in competition with TV, but I don't think that you can compare the two as radio paints pictures in your mind with hopefully good words, while TV shows the pictures and sadly adds a lot of poor words from tired anchors and reporters who don't always ad-lib very well. Not to say that there wasn't good reporting and anchoring, but it's not all pretty.

Yeah I'm old school about radio, because I love and work in radio, not TV. My experience with TV was such that I knew it wasn't for me. The future is here, but it's homogenizing the media, and not always for the better.

I have all of the latest technology at my disposal. I enjoy it and use it, but I am Old School and proud of it.
 
I did listen no more 5 minutes of KFI this weekend
reasons well one of them news media likes to run everything into the ground
and other reason some of the news casters on KFI has become whiney of
late , saying I need to get closer to see bodies or accident Etc.
and getting denied by the police. poor babies...... ::).
After the metrolink accident, I am pretty soured on all news media. :mad:
 
calguy said:
4UH8SIMBKAGN said:
There's no need to have radio in with TV"...don't tell that to me when I'm in the car listening to the Fox News Channel on my XM radio. I love that and it stops me from listening to local radio news. TV news certainly is competing with radio news EVERYWHERE.

As for synergies, NBC 4, KWHY 22 and KVEA 52 are now going to share video with Fox 11 and My 13. They're just going to send one camera crew out rather than multiple ones to the same event (and selling the video/audio to anyone else as well). There is no reason for KFI, KNX or KFWB to not subscribe or in the case of KFWB and KNX get much of their audio for reports from KCAL 9/CBS 2.

Radio, tv and newspapers are moving towards combinations and are already on the same platform, the internet. Your comments are old school and short-sighted. Think forward, which you certainly are not.
"

Yes, their sharing platforms, it's a wonderful love story. I'm sure the employees at KTLA and The LAT are just beside themselves with the thought of being together because they know that soon there will be more layoffs for both. Putting Radio, TV and newspaper facilities together is nothing new and as I said it's cost effective but I think you've gotten off point. This is a radio board and we've been talking (typing) about coverage of the fires on RADIO. It's always been in competition with TV, but I don't think that you can compare the two as radio paints pictures in your mind with hopefully good words, while TV shows the pictures and sadly adds a lot of poor words from tired anchors and reporters who don't always ad-lib very well. Not to say that there wasn't good reporting and anchoring, but it's not all pretty.

Yeah I'm old school about radio, because I love and work in radio, not TV. My experience with TV was such that I knew it wasn't for me. The future is here, but it's homogenizing the media, and not always for the better.

I have all of the latest technology at my disposal. I enjoy it and use it, but I am Old School and proud of it.
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Why don't we go through the reporters/anchors at KNX and KFWB (and including those recently dismissed) who have worked Los Angeles television as reporters and anchors extensively? Looks like those tv "tired anchors and reporters who don't always ad-lib very well" are on YOUR radio.

The audio of Fox News Channel, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg TV, FBN...among others are on Sirius XM. More tv competing with radio (and lets not forget CNN Headline News audio which early on comprised entire radio news formats). Sounds to me like a lot of tv is sneaking onto the radio.

I have no problem with radio moving to the internet. The sooner, the better. That will be the only time it is actually equal in delivering its product and have an actual chance to compete and grow. HD radio didn't help...
 
4UH8SIMBKAGN said:
Why don't we go through the reporters/anchors at KNX and KFWB (and including those recently dismissed) who have worked Los Angeles television as reporters and anchors extensively? Looks like those tv "tired anchors and reporters who don't always ad-lib very well" are on YOUR radio.

The audio of Fox News Channel, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg TV, FBN...among others are on Sirius XM. More tv competing with radio (and lets not forget CNN Headline News audio which early on comprised entire radio news formats). Sounds to me like a lot of tv is sneaking onto the radio.

I have no problem with radio moving to the internet. The sooner, the better. That will be the only time it is actually equal in delivering its product and have an actual chance to compete and grow. HD radio didn't help...


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I've got it. You're a radio hater. That's the only way to explain it. Well here's a reality for you. When radio moves to the internet it will cease to be radio and if you think you'll be able to make a living at it you'll be considered crazy. There will be no equality in delivering product or competition because there will be no company who will have the money to do a really professional job. The industry itself has already been devaluing its talent and TV, being run by many of the same people that are killing radio has started to do the same thing with its talent. The paradigm is to buy multiple stations, fire a third to half of the employees and make the rest work themselves to death while making much less money. And since you brought it up, those tired anchors on the radio who used to be on TV were for the most part displaced from their TV positions because of consolidation. You don't like radio, I get it. I love radio and that's what sets me apart from you.

As for HD Radio, it was dead before birth because the FCC as usual couldn't make up its mind (Remember AM Stereo anyone?) You mention XM, that's already gone, replaced by Mel's Sirius and it's anyone's guess how much more money they can keep pouring into it. With their merger/acquisition there's less Satellite competition and choice for you and me. Sound familiar? Let me ad that I don't consider the audio of Fox News Channel, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg TV, FBN on Sirius XM to be real radio, it's TV audio and as such is incomplete when audio only. It can't give as good a description as real radio can because it's missing the pictures.

This thread is rapidly moving toward the "Take It Outside" board and if I can resist temptation, I won't be going with it since we're now so far off topic that it's hard to remember how it started.

To answer you, yes, radio has always been in competition with TV and now many other forms of entertainment and news, but that's nothing new. You seem to fail to understand what radio's strengths are and can only condemn it for what it is not. It's not TV; sorry you don't like it...
 
calguy said:
4UH8SIMBKAGN said:
Why don't we go through the reporters/anchors at KNX and KFWB (and including those recently dismissed) who have worked Los Angeles television as reporters and anchors extensively? Looks like those tv "tired anchors and reporters who don't always ad-lib very well" are on YOUR radio.

The audio of Fox News Channel, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg TV, FBN...among others are on Sirius XM. More tv competing with radio (and lets not forget CNN Headline News audio which early on comprised entire radio news formats). Sounds to me like a lot of tv is sneaking onto the radio.

I have no problem with radio moving to the internet. The sooner, the better. That will be the only time it is actually equal in delivering its product and have an actual chance to compete and grow. HD radio didn't help...

I've got it. You're a radio hater. That's the only way to explain it. Well here's a reality for you. When radio moves to the internet it will cease to be radio and if you think you'll be able to make a living at it you'll be considered crazy. There will be no equality in delivering product or competition because there will be no company who will have the money to do a really professional job. The industry itself has already been devaluing its talent and TV, being run by many of the same people that are killing radio has started to do the same thing with its talent. The paradigm is to buy multiple stations, fire a third to half of the employees and make the rest work themselves to death while making much less money. And since you brought it up, those tired anchors on the radio who used to be on TV were for the most part displaced from their TV positions because of consolidation. You don't like radio, I get it. I love radio and that's what sets me apart from you.

As for HD Radio, it was dead before birth because the FCC as usual couldn't make up its mind (Remember AM Stereo anyone?) You mention XM, that's already gone, replaced by Mel's Sirius and it's anyone's guess how much more money they can keep pouring into it. With their merger/acquisition there's less Satellite competition and choice for you and me. Sound familiar? Let me ad that I don't consider the audio of Fox News Channel, CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg TV, FBN on Sirius XM to be real radio, it's TV audio and as such is incomplete when audio only. It can't give as good a description as real radio can because it's missing the pictures.

This thread is rapidly moving toward the "Take It Outside" board and if I can resist temptation, I won't be going with it since we're now so far off topic that it's hard to remember how it started.

To answer you, yes, radio has always been in competition with TV and now many other forms of entertainment and news, but that's nothing new. You seem to fail to understand what radio's strengths are and can only condemn it for what it is not. It's not TV; sorry you don't like it...

[/quote]Ummm, radio IS going to move to the internet. Anyone who thinks it is not is in dreamland. It's already taking baby steps in that direction. Clearwire building out WiMax currently with debuts of the technology in cities such as Baltimore starting now, the internet is going to be available everywhere. Besides some radio companies are already coming up with applications to deliver their stations via devices such as the iPhone and Google's new phone venture.

When radio makes its complete move to the internet, there will be more creativity and more innovation from professionals and we will ALL be better for it, unlike what is happening currently. It will be a blessing to all who work in the industry who can make the crossover. The only losers will be those who can't adapt and keep up with technology.

XM Sirius is still satellite RADIO which won't last once WiMax is built out and in-dash internet devices become more available (such as are currently an option on vehicles such as Ford Trucks). XM Sirius is in no worse shape than buyouts such as Clear Channel, Univision or Citadel/ABC. They've all got debt they will never be able to service in the coming depression.

Those employees of KNX and KFWB who were once on tv are on those stations now mostly because they became overpaid and over-the-hill for tv, not due to any "downsizing". In fact, where they got "downsized" was at KNX and KFWB not tv.

You make think the audio sides of cable tv products is incomplete but I and many others who enjoy it do not. It's plain and simple competition to radio as it takes me away from listening to any radio station.

English language radio is not growing in revenue or listenership. Those under 30 didn't grow up with radio and many surveys have shown that it doesn't matter to them. Radio does have plenty of new forms of competition and that is only going to grow.

I don't need to listen to "local radio" to even get the talkshows that stations such as KABC carries. I listen to the same broadcast on satellite radio for Sean Hannity or Mark Levin (as for Levin, I can listen live, not delayed by 6 hours). Or I can listen to Terry Anderson (KRLA, Sunday nights) on the internet. And I'm getting better quality audio. What reason do I have to listen to Los Angeles radio ON A RADIO? The Satellite Sisters, formerly on KABC, made the complete transition recently to only podcasting their shows.

I could tell you are old school...you're also going to get left in the dust of technology...the sooner the FCC takes back the FM and AM radiowaves to deliver internet services, the better for all of us. What you fail to understand is the reality of what is not only coming but already here...
 
One comment from an old fogey who has made a good living out of technology. On Saturday morning my UPS (battery backup not the brown truck) began protesting with incessant beeps that the power was getting dicey here in North Hollywood. If the power goes off there goes your internet, also your HD TV. You could use a laptop if you have WiFi or Cellular data access but really isn't a battery powered AM radio better in emergencies?

Also AM is technically capable of getting back on the air after even a tower collapse as almost any long wire can radiate. Try that with FM or TV which need the tall towers and or a mountaintop. I love the internet and I listen to streaming broadcasts, but most of the streams I frequent are from regular broadcasters, not some guy in his basement or backroom playing radio. There is room for specialized content on the internet and podcasting can get material out there but why can we not have all, or most, of the old media happily existing with the new?

What else do we need the MW band for or the FM for that matter?
 
Ummm, radio IS going to move to the internet. Anyone who thinks it is not is in dreamland. It's already taking baby steps in that direction. Clearwire building out WiMax currently with debuts of the technology in cities such as Baltimore starting now, the internet is going to be available everywhere. Besides some radio companies are already coming up with applications to deliver their stations via devices such as the iPhone and Google's new phone venture.

When radio makes its complete move to the internet, there will be more creativity and more innovation from professionals and we will ALL be better for it, unlike what is happening currently. It will be a blessing to all who work in the industry who can make the crossover. The only losers will be those who can't adapt and keep up with technology.

XM Sirius is still satellite RADIO which won't last once WiMax is built out and in-dash internet devices become more available (such as are currently an option on vehicles such as Ford Trucks). XM Sirius is in no worse shape than buyouts such as Clear Channel, Univision or Citadel/ABC. They've all got debt they will never be able to service in the coming depression.

Those employees of KNX and KFWB who were once on tv are on those stations now mostly because they became overpaid and over-the-hill for tv, not due to any "downsizing". In fact, where they got "downsized" was at KNX and KFWB not tv.

You make think the audio sides of cable tv products is incomplete but I and many others who enjoy it do not. It's plain and simple competition to radio as it takes me away from listening to any radio station.

English language radio is not growing in revenue or listenership. Those under 30 didn't grow up with radio and many surveys have shown that it doesn't matter to them. Radio does have plenty of new forms of competition and that is only going to grow.

I don't need to listen to "local radio" to even get the talkshows that stations such as KABC carries. I listen to the same broadcast on satellite radio for Sean Hannity or Mark Levin (as for Levin, I can listen live, not delayed by 6 hours). Or I can listen to Terry Anderson (KRLA, Sunday nights) on the internet. And I'm getting better quality audio. What reason do I have to listen to Los Angeles radio ON A RADIO? The Satellite Sisters, formerly on KABC, made the complete transition recently to only podcasting their shows.

I could tell you are old school...you're also going to get left in the dust of technology...the sooner the FCC takes back the FM and AM radiowaves to deliver internet services, the better for all of us. What you fail to understand is the reality of what is not only coming but already here...
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I'm well aware of where radio is and where it's going. I made my point. You have kept the thread going by changing what you're talking about, that's okay, I don't need to have the last word.

I won't get left in the dust as you say, I already use the internet for my business and have been for quite some time and while I may lament the loss of traditional radio I know that it will survive when internet is available to the in car listener on a broad basis. But it won't be the same because the really talented people will most likely be moving on because salaries will keep declining and what you'll have won't quite be as special as it once was.

Keep one thing in mind, the day when everyone has internet is still a while away. You'd be surprised how many people call my station complaining that they don't have a computer or the internet. It's coming, but it'll be a while before everyone is on board.
 
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