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KFNX Horror Story #183

j henry waugh said:
Again, they [infomercials] should be illegal (at least programming that is predominately comprised of such fare) and your citing of recent history just illustrates how the FCC has abdicated their duty and is abusing the public interest.

What duty has the FCC abdicated? Their main job is to license stations and make sure that engineering standards for the various services are followed (and they don't do a great job of that either). Frankly, anything else is beyond the authority of the Federal Government as specified in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, as stated below:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

So, tell me exactly where the FCC has the Constitutional right to tell a private business, even one that needs to be licensed by them, who can own that business, or what programming they can run, so long no other laws are being violated.
 
You sir really do know what you're talking about.
I over-rated the ND.
I should have said (of the rigs we can still get).
I agree, the 317C is the best.
Since Continental stopped selling these to America, everyone else has dropped quality.
 
KeithE4 said:
j henry waugh said:
Again, they [infomercials] should be illegal (at least programming that is predominately comprised of such fare) and your citing of recent history just illustrates how the FCC has abdicated their duty and is abusing the public interest.

What duty has the FCC abdicated? Their main job is to license stations and make sure that engineering standards for the various services are followed (and they don't do a great job of that either). Frankly, anything else is beyond the authority of the Federal Government as specified in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, as stated below:…

In your OPINION.

Broadcast licenses for television grant exclusive control over the airwaves to their holders. The original rationale for this was that the scarcity of broadcast spectrum required that access to it be strictly regulated. A government-appointed referee, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), awarded licenses to those parties deemed most able to serve “the public interest, convenience and necessity.” If they didn’t fulfill their duties, the FCC could revoke a license and award it to another party that might better serve the public.

But the FCC’s practice in this regard has been dismal to say the least. Though licensed broadcasters have been required to operate in the public interest since the early days of radio, for decades the industry-friendly FCC did little or nothing to penalize stations for ignoring their public service obligations. Indeed, not once since the FCC’s founding in 1934 has the Commission revoked a single license of its own accord.

The airwaves belong to the public interest. That is where the FCC has the "Constitutional right". They are granted the privilege of broadcasting. Please consult the original charter of the FCC, and not a twisted interpretation of Constitutional law.

The FCC is required by statute to deny applications for license renewal if a licensee exhibits poor character.

I'd say filling the schedule with infomercials exhibits "poor character", as would a majority of American citizens, the owners of the airwaves…
 
j henry waugh said:
In your OPINION.

Broadcast licenses for television grant exclusive control over the airwaves to their holders. The original rationale for this was that the scarcity of broadcast spectrum required that access to it be strictly regulated. A government-appointed referee, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), awarded licenses to those parties deemed most able to serve “the public interest, convenience and necessity.” If they didn’t fulfill their duties, the FCC could revoke a license and award it to another party that might better serve the public.

I'm not disagreeing with you in that's what they're authorized by Congress to do. But I've always had a problem with the FCC regulating non-technical matters. And, yes, that is my opinion and the Constitution backs me up (although the interpretation thereof has been a bone of contention since the founding of the Republic. Since I'm not a Supreme Court justice, my opinion means diddly).

But the FCC’s practice in this regard has been dismal to say the least. Though licensed broadcasters have been required to operate in the public interest since the early days of radio, for decades the industry-friendly FCC did little or nothing to penalize stations for ignoring their public service obligations. Indeed, not once since the FCC’s founding in 1934 has the Commission revoked a single license of its own accord.

Actually, they have, but only under the most extreme circumstances. The original WHDH-TV in Boston lost its license, replaced by WCVB-TV, who promised to increase local programming, so the FCC awarded them the license for Channel 5 there.

Also, the owner of several radio stations in Indiana and Missouri lost his licenses because of his improper conduct with some teenage boys a few years ago. There have been several other broadcast licenses pulled because of improper conduct by the licensee(s). WIFE in Indianapolis and KIKX in Tucson come to mind immediately. So it has happened, just not very often.

The airwaves belong to the public interest. That is where the FCC has the "Constitutional right". They are granted the privilege of broadcasting. Please consult the original charter of the FCC, and not a twisted interpretation of Constitutional law.

No, it has the authorization of the Communications Act, passed by Congress, signed by the President, and amended over the years. The FCC has to follow the laws as passed, some of which are vague at best and unconstitutional at worst, but that's a matter for the Supreme Court to decide.

The FCC is required by statute to deny applications for license renewal if a licensee exhibits poor character.

As I said above, they have done so, but only rarely.

I'd say filling the schedule with infomercials exhibits "poor character", as would a majority of American citizens, the owners of the airwaves…

A majority of American citizens don't in fact listen to any particular radio station (name one with more than a 10 share in any one market, let alone nationwide. If any exist, it's only a handful), regardless of format or commercial content.

The fact of the matter is that infomercials are not illegal to broadcast 24/7 if a station wants to do so, so long as they aren't violating the law (and Colon-Blow doesn't violate the law AFAIK). They stink, and I don't listen to them either, but it is legal program content. There ain't no woulda-coulda-shoulda about it. Informercials are legal. Period. They may make for bad radio - really, really bad radio - but not something that can cause a broadcaster's license to be revoked unless the laws or FCC regulations are changed accordingly.

If you don't like what KFNX spews over the airwaves, challenge their license when it comes up for renewal (they're certainly a candidate for revokation for lots of other reasons). Put together a group that can do better, and buy them out or take over legally if you're able to make a case in front of the FCC to do so. Until then, vote with your radio dial and listen to something else, like 99.9% of Phoenix listeners (including me) do.
 
Eric Stein said:
As for the '76 Gremlin of transmitters, could that be installed at 1060? ;D

Nah, Gumpdusky parked it behind the lumberyard to run 1440. ;D
 
As for the '76 Gremlin of transmitters, could that be installed at 1060?

Nah, Gumpdusky parked it behind the lumberyard to run 1440.


At least the mighty 14~forty is there every day with 5kw of Oldies, Colonblow, Oldies, Nancy Pelosi's Fan Club, Oldies, East Valley Network, Oldies, ASU Sun Devilette B'Ball and Oldies. The Nurse and I have no idea as to the type of xmttr, but the audio on the oldies portion is far superior to that K-Tel xmttr at KFNX!
 
some of the best music i've heard on the radio, was kfnx five, six years ago.

revolution radio after 10pm.
 
Dr. Akbar said:
As for the '76 Gremlin of transmitters, could that be installed at 1060?

Nah, Gumpdusky parked it behind the lumberyard to run 1440.


At least the mighty 14~forty is there every day with 5kw of Oldies, Colonblow, Oldies, Nancy Pelosi's Fan Club, Oldies, East Valley Network, Oldies, ASU Sun Devilette B'Ball and Oldies. The Nurse and I have no idea as to the type of xmttr, but the audio on the oldies portion is far superior to that K-Tel xmttr at KFNX!


Just for the record, it is NOT a K-Tel Transmitter.


Its a Mr. Microphone



HEY GOOD LOOKING, I'LL BE BACK TO PICK YOU UP LATER
 
j henry waugh said:
The "public interest" means that the public is served with information and resources. The airwaves belong to the public… …again, if that trust is abused (as it is by running informercials and promotionals 24x7), then the license should be revoked and granted to a party that will meet public interest obligations as was originally chartered.

Because it is so, doesn't mean it's right.

Just because a station is airing "information and resources" ("resources"?) doesn't mean the public will listen.
 
j henry waugh said:
KeithE4 said:
Again, they [infomercials] should be illegal (at least programming that is predominately comprised of such fare) and your citing of recent history just illustrates how the FCC has abdicated their duty and is abusing the public interest.

The "public interest" means that the public is served with information and resources. The airwaves belong to the public… …again, if that trust is abused (as it is by running informercials and promotionals 24x7), then the license should be revoked and granted to a party that will meet public interest obligations as was originally chartered.

Because it is so, doesn't mean it's right.

Keith is right 100% on this one. Quit blaming business for wanting to make money and start blaming the government that's supposed to be looking out for you. Of course, again, there have been tens of millions of books, tapes, bottles of pills and creams, and what have you to people who heard or saw an infomercial, so the public interest in this case may turn out to be your highly biased "Mr. Waugh's interest".

EDwalker said:
j henry waugh said:
Again, they've violated the "public interest", and public outcry should dictate that their license revoked.

What public outcry?

Exactly. Perhaps he's mad that KFNX didn't give him free time to air his insane rants against every station. After all, he's a talent! :eek:
 
Exactly. Perhaps he's mad that KFNX didn't give him free time to air his insane rants against every station. After all, he's a talent! :eek:

HaHa!

Well, have to disagree… …broadcasters, IMV, have an obligation to serve the public interest as originally chartered… …again, the airwaves belong to all of us. Not saying what KFNX is doing is illegal, just that they should have their license revoked for abusing the public interest.

Running an infomercial here and there wouldn't be a bad thing, but to plug the entire programming schedule with it is a violation… …fortunately, Phoenix has KTAR that does serve the public interest, albeit in drab, boring fashion as some of you have detailed…

Other towns are not so lucky
 
That's the oldest anti-CC story in the book. It doesn't speak very highly of those who keep using this OLD story to prove their point... shouldn't there be more recent infractions?

BTW, Henry, what constitutes an infomercial, and who decides what constitutes more than "here and there"? Is Dr. Laura an infomercial? Bill O'Reilly? What defines an infomercial if the product isn't of a health nature? You continue to skirt my question... if millions people order millions of services and shipments of products from radio infomercials, how does that defy the public interest? You say the same thing every time, and now you try and soften your stance, yet license revokation is a serious demand. Should WABC's license be revoked for using all of Saturday overnights, with their 50kW blowtorch night pattern, to air infomercials? Please offer us enlightenment on this issue.
 
j henry waugh said:
broadcasters, IMV, have an obligation to serve the public interest as originally chartered… …again, the airwaves belong to all of us. Not saying what KFNX is doing is illegal, just that they should have their license revoked for abusing the public interest.

Running an infomercial here and there wouldn't be a bad thing, but to plug the entire programming schedule with it is a violation…
So where is the line drawn? Should there be governmental regulations that give a specific percentage of programming that can legally be brokered? If so, do infomercial type shows get grouped together with brokered talk? The FCC would have to make clear definitions of both and we all know how well they define indeceny and obscenity!

I think many of us would agree that running a majority of infomercials benefit nobody, but do we really want the FCC policing content? (indecency aside... that's another debate) I believe in more of a natural selection type theory. KFNX carries inferior programming with poor coverage. One would think that after a while they wouldn't be able to generate enough revenue to continue operations.
 
BTW, Henry, what constitutes an infomercial, and who decides what constitutes more than "here and there"? Is Dr. Laura an infomercial? Bill O'Reilly? What defines an infomercial if the product isn't of a health nature? You continue to skirt my question... if millions people order millions of services and shipments of products from radio infomercials, how does that defy the public interest? You say the same thing every time, and now you try and soften your stance, yet license revokation is a serious demand. Should WABC's license be revoked for using all of Saturday overnights, with their 50kW blowtorch night pattern, to air infomercials? Please offer us enlightenment on this issue.

You know well what an infomercial is. Bill O'Reilly and Dr. Laura are not infomercials. Patriot trading group and vitamin supplement shows are.

So where is the line drawn? Should there be governmental regulations that give a specific percentage of programming that can legally be brokered? If so, do infomercial type shows get grouped together with brokered talk? The FCC would have to make clear definitions of both and we all know how well they define indeceny and obscenity! I think many of us would agree that running a majority of infomercials benefit nobody, but do we really want the FCC policing content? (indecency aside... that's another debate) I believe in more of a natural selection type theory. KFNX carries inferior programming with poor coverage. One would think that after a while they wouldn't be able to generate enough revenue to continue operations.

I don't agree that they should be "policing content" either. But there should be a minimum standard that the broadcaster must fulfill, that serves the public interest. Yes, it's a subjective thing, and only the blatantly abusive should be flagged… …but I think KFNX definitely should have its license revoked for blatant public disregard and abuse of the airwaves.
 
j henry waugh said:
I think KFNX definitely should have its license revoked for blatant public disregard and abuse of the airwaves.
If enough people ARE listening, and buying the products, couldn't one argue that the station IS serving the public interest? If enough people are not listening or buying the product, wouldn't the infomercials go away as they would prove ineffective?
 
Realist has it right. If the infomercials weren't selling and nobody is listening,
the station would be gone.
Public interest? Maybe not yours or mine, but someone. Enough someones to keep the station around.

Seems to me a lot of listening is going on to the station.
If it's such a bother, why bother listening to critique?
 
Radio Pro said:
Realist has it right. If the infomercials weren't selling and nobody is listening, the station would be gone.
Public interest? Maybe not yours or mine, but someone. Enough someones to keep the station around.

Seems to me a lot of listening is going on to the station.
If it's such a bother, why bother listening to critique?

So long as KFNX is paid (In advance? I'm not sure how that works but I'd be sure to get the $$$$ up front if it was me), I doubt if they care if anybody's listening or not. They got their money. I'm sure somebody's listening since if those ads didn't generate sales, the advertiser wouldn't buy the time.

They're not getting any sales from me, but what they're doing isn't illegal or even improper either. Like I said earlier, there are plenty of reasons to yank KFNX off the air, but selling time to schlockmeisters isn't one of them.
 
Here's the problem.

Let's say a station runs an infomercial, and everybody tunes out but the 12 people who order whatever junk they're selling. That means that 12 people were served by the radio (assuming the product wasn't fraudulent as so many of the supplements advertised on AM radio have turned out to be) while 12 thousand or 20 thousand people were driven away.
 
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