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KFSH Anaheim/Los Angeles music change discovered

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Kyle_Hojem

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KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC station owned by Salem at 95.9 FM

COL is Anaheim/Los Angeles

Not that long ago, a woman named Lauren Kitchens said she would step down from here position on the morning show because she didn't like the way things where headed. Well I think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish. While driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs into their music mix.

I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now listed as FISH music.<P ID="signature">______________

Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
> Not that long ago, a woman named Lauren Kitchens said she
> would step down from here position on the morning show
> because she didn't like the way things where headed. Well I
> think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish. While
> driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty
> (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred
> to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC
> station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking
> suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs
> into their music mix.

There were actually a few CCM stations that played "Kyrie Eleison" when it first was released, even before it was cool to play crossover songs. Mark Schultz also did a cover of it on his Song Cinema album, although it was not that big of a hit at Christian radio.<P ID="signature">______________
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> While driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty
> (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred
> to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC
> station. A song by Mr. Mister!!

"Kyrie" played a significant role in my salvation (just couldn't get that "Would I have followed down my chosen road or only wished what I could be?" line out of my mind), but it would be a bit of a surprise to hear it.



> I have a sneaking
> suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs
> into their music mix.

Well, Salem's always been heavy on those slightly altered remakes, anyway...
 
>
> "Kyrie" played a significant role in my salvation (just
> couldn't get that "Would I have followed down my chosen road
> or only wished what I could be?" line out of my mind), but
> it would be a bit of a surprise to hear it.
>
>
> Well, Salem's always been heavy on those slightly altered
> remakes, anyway...

I heard the Mr. Mister version. Mr. Mister had the original (first) hit on the song.<P ID="signature">______________

Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
Schultz's version is actually soncially better.


> >
> > "Kyrie" played a significant role in my salvation (just
> > couldn't get that "Would I have followed down my chosen
> road
> > or only wished what I could be?" line out of my mind), but
>
> > it would be a bit of a surprise to hear it.
> >
> >
> > Well, Salem's always been heavy on those slightly altered
> > remakes, anyway...
>
> I heard the Mr. Mister version. Mr. Mister had the original
> (first) hit on the song.
>
 
> Well, Salem's always been heavy on those slightly altered
> remakes, anyway...

Granted that they test well in the market...<P ID="signature">______________
Dan Cooper
AM540 The Word/105.3 The Fish Milwaukee, WI
Notice: My views, opinions, and statements are my own, not those of Salem Communications, its employees, partners, affiliates, or sponsors.</P>
 
Kyle_Holjem wrote:
"I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs into their music mix."



Secular: Not religious.

So, I am not exactly sure how a spin or two or three from Mr. Mister fits your theory. Fish stations have been playing this song for a while.<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
> Schultz's version is actually soncially better.


Uh, wow...ummmm...

Look, everytime I hear one of these remakes, I think, "there's something that certainly need not have been done."

The only one I thought really worked, although thinking only off the top of my head, was Take 6's "You're The Biggest Part." Okay, maybe Mylon's "Shower The People."

The problem, I think, is this: people come to the format, find stuff they like, and get used to it; then, along comes one of the really mediocre remakes, and the people notice differences in talent and production they hadn't been thinking about before.

The format has plenty of great stuff now...remakes of this sort, if they ever were, are no longer needed at all. The fifth or sixth release from a Mercy Me album is better than any remake by a third-tier artist...IMHO, of course.
 
Re: covers

neutral observer wrote:
"The problem, I think, is this: people come to the format, find stuff they like, and get used to it; then, along comes one of the really mediocre remakes, and the people notice differences in talent and production they hadn't been thinking about before. The format has plenty of great stuff now...remakes of this sort, if they ever were, are no longer needed at all."


The assumption is that this is the only format that spins remakes? Mediocre and otherwise. EVERY format has them.

Sometimes covers work, sometimes not. Goo Goo Dolls did Train justice. Schultz covers Mr. Mister very well. Lenny Kravitz does an amazing version of American Woman...And Mercy Me does a fine job with a few covers from U2...

There is really nothing like the original, but please don't slap a label on CCM's attempt at remakes as if they were ever "necessary".

And trust me, listeners are noticing production and talent with every song in every format.<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
> There were actually a few CCM stations that played "Kyrie
> Eleison" when it first was released, even before it was cool
> to play crossover songs. Mark Schultz also did a cover of
> it on his Song Cinema album, although it was not that big of
> a hit at Christian radio.

This happened to me every time I played a "secular" song that had scriptural content or intent. If the artists had a good lifestyle, and the lyrics fit, I played it. You wouldn't believe the hatred I got from some dogmatic people over it. It just fueled my determination to play even more crossovers. I got really daring and played some Collective Soul songs - the audience for the most part loved it and "got it". I even threatened to play "Hold On Loosely" by .38 Special (you will never find a better application of I Cor. 13). But I chickened out.
 
> > There were actually a few CCM stations that played "Kyrie
> > Eleison" when it first was released, even before it was
> cool
> > to play crossover songs. Mark Schultz also did a cover of
>
> > it on his Song Cinema album, although it was not that big
> of
> > a hit at Christian radio.
>
> This happened to me every time I played a "secular" song
> that had scriptural content or intent. If the artists had a
> good lifestyle, and the lyrics fit, I played it. You
> wouldn't believe the hatred I got from some dogmatic people
> over it. It just fueled my determination to play even more
> crossovers. I got really daring and played some Collective
> Soul songs - the audience for the most part loved it and
> "got it". I even threatened to play "Hold On Loosely" by
> .38 Special (you will never find a better application of I
> Cor. 13). But I chickened out.

That reminds me of the Friday night specialty show on the old KCFO FM in Tulsa where I interned in 1984.

The show featured music not normally on the KCFO playlist: Rez Band, Daniel Amos, harder stuff by Leslie Phillips, Sheila Walsh, Petra, etc. The host threw in "Carry on Wayward Son" by Kansas one night. The next week, the PD reminded him that the latitude offered him for that show didn't go quite THAT far. The host replied that when Kerry Livgren wrote the song, he THOUGHT he was a Christian (this was before Livgren's true conversion). The PD still didn't see it that way.

That episode aside, the show was fun to listen to, but didn't last long. The AC audience was sure anything with a tempo greater than 110 beats per minute and a scratchy guitar was straight from the pit.

By the way, "Kyrie Eleison" literally means "Lord have mercy" and is, to this day, a part of many liturgical services in both Catholic and Protestant churches.
 
KCFO????????

KCFO????

I did 4 years there in the '90s. Got out on good behavior. =)

e-mail me and we'll share KCFO stories. LOL>..great crew over there.

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> > > There were actually a few CCM stations that played
> "Kyrie
> > > Eleison" when it first was released, even before it was
> > cool
> > > to play crossover songs. Mark Schultz also did a cover
> of
> >
> > > it on his Song Cinema album, although it was not that
> big
> > of
> > > a hit at Christian radio.
> >
> > This happened to me every time I played a "secular" song
> > that had scriptural content or intent. If the artists had
> a
> > good lifestyle, and the lyrics fit, I played it. You
> > wouldn't believe the hatred I got from some dogmatic
> people
> > over it. It just fueled my determination to play even
> more
> > crossovers. I got really daring and played some
> Collective
> > Soul songs - the audience for the most part loved it and
> > "got it". I even threatened to play "Hold On Loosely" by
> > .38 Special (you will never find a better application of I
>
> > Cor. 13). But I chickened out.
>
> That reminds me of the Friday night specialty show on the
> old KCFO FM in Tulsa where I interned in 1984.
>
> The show featured music not normally on the KCFO playlist:
> Rez Band, Daniel Amos, harder stuff by Leslie Phillips,
> Sheila Walsh, Petra, etc. The host threw in "Carry on
> Wayward Son" by Kansas one night. The next week, the PD
> reminded him that the latitude offered him for that show
> didn't go quite THAT far. The host replied that when Kerry
> Livgren wrote the song, he THOUGHT he was a Christian (this
> was before Livgren's true conversion). The PD still didn't
> see it that way.
>
> That episode aside, the show was fun to listen to, but
> didn't last long. The AC audience was sure anything with a
> tempo greater than 110 beats per minute and a scratchy
> guitar was straight from the pit.
>
> By the way, "Kyrie Eleison" literally means "Lord have
> mercy" and is, to this day, a part of many liturgical
> services in both Catholic and Protestant churches.
>
 
> KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC station owned by Salem at
> 95.9 FM
>
> COL is Anaheim/Los Angeles
>
> Not that long ago, a woman named Lauren Kitchens said she
> would step down from here position on the morning show
> because she didn't like the way things where headed. Well I
> think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish. While
> driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty
> (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred
> to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC
> station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking
> suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs
> into their music mix.
>
> I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on
> the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now
> listed as FISH music.
>

Now what did they play? Kyrie? Remember when Clear Channel spun several stations off to Salem including KALC in Denver? They never did change that format but did end up selling it though.
 
> > There were actually a few CCM stations that played "Kyrie
> > Eleison" when it first was released, even before it was
> cool
> > to play crossover songs. Mark Schultz also did a cover of
>
> > it on his Song Cinema album, although it was not that big
> of
> > a hit at Christian radio.
>
> This happened to me every time I played a "secular" song
> that had scriptural content or intent. If the artists had a
> good lifestyle, and the lyrics fit, I played it. You
> wouldn't believe the hatred I got from some dogmatic people
> over it. It just fueled my determination to play even more
> crossovers. I got really daring and played some Collective
> Soul songs - the audience for the most part loved it and
> "got it". I even threatened to play "Hold On Loosely" by
> .38 Special (you will never find a better application of I
> Cor. 13). But I chickened out.
>

Play a Collective Soul song on a Christian station and I would have to protest it. The reason being on the grounds that they are not a Christian band.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Retro on 09/06/05 10:22 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Kyle_Holjem wrote:
> "I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to start
> adding secular songs into their music mix."
>
>
>
> Secular: Not religious.
>
> So, I am not exactly sure how a spin or two or three from
> Mr. Mister fits your theory. Fish stations have been playing
> this song for a while.
>

It all has to do with standards. Some stations have higher standards than others. It has been said before here on this very board, I believe, that FISH stations need to add more Jesus into the mix and I agree. How does this help the situation?

the bio on mr mister:
http://www.itv.se/~va106/mrpages/biomrmister.html
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Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
> Play a Collective Soul song on a Christian station and I
> would have to protest it. The reason being on the grounds
> that they are not a Christian band.
>
Collective Soul had a CBA distribution deal for a while.

Jars of Clay has said in an interivew with CDNOW that they don't like to be referred to as a "Christian band".<P ID="signature">______________
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</P>
 
> > Play a Collective Soul song on a Christian station and I
> > would have to protest it. The reason being on the grounds
> > that they are not a Christian band.
> >
> Collective Soul had a CBA distribution deal for a while.
>

I didn't know that. I heard quote from the band once and it didn't sound Christian as much as it sounding more mystical instead.
 
Ahh...the age old "JPM" argument.

The "Jesus Per minute" factor.

Hang on, let me take the stick out of my eye and I'll answer that one. =)

But seriously. It's not really any of my business what Salem puts in their mix if I'm not on staff there.

They've got their vision and mission that they're fulfilling in the way they feel they've been called to it.

So beyond that...the rest of us should just worry about our own vision, mission and calling and frankly...stay out of it.


> It all has to do with standards. Some stations have higher
> standards than others. It has been said before here on this
> very board, I believe, that FISH stations need to add more
> Jesus into the mix and I agree. How does this help the
> situation?
>
><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by GaryThompson on 09/07/05 01:43 PM.</FONT></P>
 
The other reality is that Fish stations aren't playing 98% covers and 2% "Jesus music". It's more like the other way around.

I honestly HATE most covers, be them remakes by Christian artists or mainstream covers (like the new "Listen to Your Heart" Roxette cover...definitely included).

The long and short of it is that whatever covers each Fish station is playing, it's testing well w/their target audience in that area. So the majority of people don't mind it and like it. Besides, covers get the attention of those who might not necessarily hang around on a Christian station and could possibly keep them there to hear the message in the other songs.

I mean really, 5 to 10 covers on a station is not going to 'kill' the message of the overall station.

> Ahh...the age old "JPM" argument.
>
> The "Jesus Per minute" factor.
>
> Hang on, let me take the stick out of my eye and I'll answer
> that one. =)
>
> But seriously. It's not really any of my business what Salem
> puts in their mix if I'm not on staff there.
>
> They've got their vision and mission that they're fulfilling
> in the way they feel they've been called to it.
>
> So beyond that...the rest of us should just worry about our
> own vision, mission and calling and frankly...stay out of
> it.
>
>
> > It all has to do with standards. Some stations have
> higher
> > standards than others. It has been said before here on
> this
> > very board, I believe, that FISH stations need to add more
>
> > Jesus into the mix and I agree. How does this help the
> > situation?
> >
> >
>
 
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