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KFSH music change discovered

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Kyle_Hojem

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As all of you know, KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC station owned by Salem at 95.9 FM

Well I think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish. While driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs into their music mix.

I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now listed as FISH music.



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> As all of you know, KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC
> station owned by Salem at 95.9 FM
>
> Well I think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish.
> While driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on
> duty (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one"
> referred to a song I would think I would never hear on a
> Christian AC station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a
> sneaking suspicion that they are going to start adding
> secular songs into their music mix.
>
> I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on
> the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now
> listed as FISH music.
>
>
>
> Remember, you heard it here first.
>
Maybe this DJ was just breaking format? By the way you should hear the hard hard rocking music being played on The Fish 103.9 here in Sacramento it still sounds like Flash 103.9 except with newer music! Take a listen!
 
Re: KYMS tried that...and failed

Remember the old KYMS 106.3?

They tried adding secular music back in 93 or so and the audience didn't approve of it. That eventually led to 106.3 being sold and becoming Asian.

I don't see a need for it. I mean, the Fish is secular sounding enough without actually playing secular songs.

And if they are gonna add gold, where's the KYMS/KFSG gold? No Morgan Cryer, Petra, Stryper, Bebe and Cece Winans, Phil Keaggy, 2nd Chapter of Acts, etc etc? You know, with a rich CCM history here in SC, I can't believe KWVE and KFSH are ignoring the 70s/80s CCM music just like that.

> As all of you know, KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC
> station owned by Salem at 95.9 FM
>
> Well I think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish.
> While driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on
> duty (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one"
> referred to a song I would think I would never hear on a
> Christian AC station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a
> sneaking suspicion that they are going to start adding
> secular songs into their music mix.
>
> I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on
> the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now
> listed as FISH music.
>
>
>
> Remember, you heard it here first.
>
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> The "old one" referred to a song I would think I would
> never hear on a Christian AC station. A song by Mr.
> Mister!! I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going
> to start adding secular songs into their music mix.

If you take it at face value, sure. But...

* "Kyrie" is a religious themed record, despite the fact that it was a secular hit.
* Several Christian bands who have done covers of the song -- but the Mr. Mister is the most familiar, which is key for any form of AC.
* It's played regularly on several other Salem Christian AC stations (including Jacksonville, where it's a top 10 gold title for them along with a couple other secular hits by Christian artists).

...and when all that's factored in, it's pretty clear that it's grasping at straws to make a conclusion from one record.
 
What kind of coverage for The Fish?

What kind of signal does the station have?

Any factor in the ratings in LA at all ... or just an Orange County station?

Read something about it in "The Los Angeles Times" a while back, but not that familiar since I am in Dallas.
 
Re: KYMS tried that...and failed

> Remember the old KYMS 106.3?
>
> They tried adding secular music back in 93 or so and the
> audience didn't approve of it. That eventually led to 106.3
> being sold and becoming Asian.

[...]

I thought they had already been sold and were *stunting* when they
were playing all those Mariah Carey songs along with the CCM....
>
> I don't see a need for it. I mean, the Fish is secular
> sounding enough without actually playing secular songs.

In what way?
 
Like a Large Fish in a small Pond~

> What kind of signal does the station have?

The Fish serves the O.C.

> Any factor in the ratings in LA at all ... or just an Orange County station?

Not a factor in the L.A. Market , although legendary Talent came from 95.9.

> Read something about it in "The Los Angeles Times" a while
> back, but not that familiar since I am in Dallas.

Dr. Timothy Leary used to do Afternoons at 95.9. Just saw him on a Cheech & Chong Movie!
 
> Well I think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish.
> While driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on
> duty (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one"
> referred to a song I would think I would never hear on a
> Christian AC station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a
> sneaking suspicion that they are going to start adding
> secular songs into their music mix.

Well, that would have been a stupid reason to leave, if Mr. Mister songs were being added into the mix.

While they may not have been known as a "Christian band," Richard Page has often put his spirituality up front in his lyrics, "Kyrie" being the prime example, obviously.

Segregating bands by whether they classify themselves as Christian or secular is right there on par with racism.

If you're building a playlist, judge each song on its own merits, and put the band's classification into proper context. There are several U2 songs with themes that Christian radio can embrace with open arms, even though U2 is clearly a secular band. I don't think U2's "secular" image should be a deterrent, because let's face it -- while he may outwardly embrace the trappings of rock stardom, Bono's heart clearly embraces higher ideals.

Artists have long complained about radio wanting to put labels on them... this post illustrates the complaint perfectly.
 
Re: The heart of CCR

I have a close friend who's the head of the radio department at a major Christian university in the upper Midwest. He tells me that this exact discussion has been a large area of focus for his classes in the last couple of years. There are lots of cases where "non-Christian" artists (U2 is a prime example) have released songs that communicate on a spiritual place and fit right alongside Bebo Norman and Relient K. So why not play them?

On a related note, this mindless pigeonholing is also one of the prime reasons why artists who want to penetrate the mass (secular) market resist the label "Christian Rock." I remember an interview with Jars of Clay (on a AAA station) about 10 years ago in which the jock mentioned the term "Christian Rock". The guys bristled, and Dan Haseltine said "Don't call us Christian Rock. We're rockers who happen to be Christians."

- Doc

> Segregating bands by whether they classify themselves as
> Christian or secular is right there on par with racism.
>
> If you're building a playlist, judge each song on its own
> merits, and put the band's classification into proper
> context. There are several U2 songs with themes that
> Christian radio can embrace with open arms, even though U2
> is clearly a secular band. I don't think U2's "secular"
> image should be a deterrent, because let's face it -- while
> he may outwardly embrace the trappings of rock stardom,
> Bono's heart clearly embraces higher ideals.
 
> Well, that would have been a stupid reason to leave, if Mr.
> Mister songs were being added into the mix.

The mr. mister being just the beginning.

> While they may not have been known as a "Christian band,"
> Richard Page has often put his spirituality up front in his
> lyrics, "Kyrie" being the prime example, obviously.

http://www.itv.se/~va106/mrpages/biomrmister.html


> Segregating bands by whether they classify themselves as
> Christian or secular is right there on par with racism.

No, that's called formatting and is not racism.


> If you're building a playlist, judge each song on its own
> merits, and put the band's classification into proper
> context. There are several U2 songs with themes that
> Christian radio can embrace with open arms, even though U2
> is clearly a secular band. I don't think U2's "secular"
> image should be a deterrent, because let's face it -- while
> he may outwardly embrace the trappings of rock stardom,
> Bono's heart clearly embraces higher ideals.
>
> Artists have long complained about radio wanting to put
> labels on them... this post illustrates the complaint
> perfectly.
>
<P ID="signature">______________

Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
> > Segregating bands by whether they classify themselves as
> > Christian or secular is right there on par with racism.
>
> No, that's called formatting and is not racism.
>
>
> > If you're building a playlist, judge each song on its own
> > merits, and put the band's classification into proper
> > context.

Read more closely... I didn't say it <u>was</u> racism.

But hey, if that's the argument you're making, then AC programmers never should have played Madonna's "Crazy For You" when it came out, because she was a CHR artist! For god's sake, she did dance music! How could you let a dance music artist on an AC radio station?!?!?!

Like I said, you judge each song on its own merit. If it fits the spirituality, it should fit the format.
 
> But hey, if that's the argument you're making, then AC
> programmers never should have played Madonna's "Crazy For
> You" when it came out, because she was a CHR artist! For
> god's sake, she did dance music! How could you let a dance
> music artist on an AC radio station?!?!?!

Okay, now you're just being silly. I realize you're trying for sarcasm, but it just isn't working.

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> > But hey, if that's the argument you're making, then AC
> > programmers never should have played Madonna's "Crazy For
> > You" when it came out, because she was a CHR artist! For
> > god's sake, she did dance music! How could you let a dance
> > music artist on an AC radio station?!?!?!
>
> Okay, now you're just being silly. I realize you're trying
> for sarcasm, but it just isn't working.

Sarcastic? Yes.
Silly? Maybe a little. (Though you could make the same argument for a "punk" band like Green Day getting AC play with "Time Of Your Life," Extreme's "More Than Words," etc.)

But the point remains that the mentality of "we won't support a song with Christian themes unless the band declares itself a Christian act" is a mighty un-Christian thing to do.

That's like, say, a Catholic church not allowing a couple's Jewish friends to attend their wedding without renouncing their faith and converting to Catholicism. I don't think any church would turn away somebody who wished to pray, regardless of affiliation. So why should Christian radio?
 
I'm sorry but that makes as much sense as a Christian church hiring an atheist as senior pastor!!

> But the point remains that the mentality of "we won't
> support a song with Christian themes unless the band
> declares itself a Christian act" is a mighty un-Christian
> thing to do.
>
> That's like, say, a Catholic church not allowing a couple's
> Jewish friends to attend their wedding without renouncing
> their faith and converting to Catholicism. I don't think any
> church would turn away somebody who wished to pray,
> regardless of affiliation. So why should Christian radio?
>
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> I'm sorry but that makes as much sense as a Christian church
> hiring an atheist as senior pastor!!

C'mon, we're not talking about the Christian radio station hiring a Wiccan PD! (Now that wouldn't make sense.)

We're talking about playing songs with a spiritual theme -- <u>a message that fits the format</u> -- even if they're from an unlikely source.

Why is it so difficult to grasp the concept?

You're just reinforcing my belief that although religions are, by heavenly decree, designed to be inclusionary, mere mortals have mutated them into exclusionary cliques.

Unfortunately, this tendency to make religions exclusionary has led to a lot of the hatred and violence we've seen in the world. We could really use a lot more inclusionary thinking.

In radio, in music, and in life, if you continually look to come up with reasons why things <u>won't</u> fit instead of seeking creative ways to allow them to fit, you'll wind up with something that's narrow and boring instead of extraordinary.
 
But that was a 'Golden Oldie but Goodie' by then?

Must have been an Oldies Based A/C Format?. That was my favorite Song entering Radio in 72. Also let's add White Bird, by "It's a Beautiful Day", and Elton Johns trio of Hits. And our Engineer today, Monty Von!

>I suppose this would be a bad time to point out that I played "Layla" by >Derek & the Dominos on a A/C station I programmed in 1979. The long version.
 
Well StreetTalkinGuy, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject.



> C'mon, we're not talking about the Christian radio station
> hiring a Wiccan PD! (Now that wouldn't make sense.)
>
> We're talking about playing songs with a spiritual theme --
> a message that fits the format -- even if they're from an
> unlikely source.
>
> Why is it so difficult to grasp the concept?
>
> You're just reinforcing my belief that although religions
> are, by heavenly decree, designed to be inclusionary, mere
> mortals have mutated them into exclusionary cliques.
>
> Unfortunately, this tendency to make religions exclusionary
> has led to a lot of the hatred and violence we've seen in
> the world. We could really use a lot more inclusionary
> thinking.
>
> In radio, in music, and in life, if you continually look to
> come up with reasons why things won't fit instead of seeking
> creative ways to allow them to fit, you'll wind up with
> something that's narrow and boring instead of extraordinary.<P ID="signature">______________

Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
Fine with me. Take all the narrow and boring you want... I'll go with the extraordinary! :)

> Well StreetTalkinGuy, I guess we'll have to agree to
> disagree on this subject.
>
> > In radio, in music, and in life, if you continually look to
> > come up with reasons why things won't fit instead of seeking
> > creative ways to allow them to fit, you'll wind up with
> > something that's narrow and boring instead of extraordinary.
 
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