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KFWB airing informercials

John McNary said:
The difference is that KFWB misled its listeners.

No, it did not. It is still running news and information between these single-sponsor stopsets. Is it as enjoyable as having just a fiew short commercials and more news? No. But is it deceptive? No again. It's just a different kind of commercial.

The difference is that a series of 8-minute fake-news programs ran, unidentified as commerical material, and surrounded on both sides by actual news coverage.

You yourself said they indentified the mortgage company in the content. That satisfies the legal aspects. There is no requirement to say that an ad is indeed an ad. Even if they did, what difference does it make? I really doubt anyone mistakes them for news after the first 15 seconds.

The difference is that Andy Ludlow, the program director, personally assured us this would not happen.

And it hasn't. If there is news and such between the sold commercials, however long they are, they are not selling infomercials per se. They are bundling all the hour's spots and selling them to one account. Good radio? Probably not. Good revenue? Very likely.

Let's all remember that we are in tough economic times. Revenues in radio are down, and for an older demo station like KFWB it is even harder as the big mortgage and refi category is nearly all gone and the automotive in SoCal is way off so they are looking at alternative revenue streams. Expect to hear more of this, too.


So that makes it OK?

Sorry, Mister Corporate radio. You're wrong.

This is not church. This is not about sinning and right and wrong. It is about an economic reality, and finding ways to replace lost revenue such as the mortage and automotive and housing dollares. If KFWB stops being profitable, the whole format goes away and something profitable replaces it. I would rather have them do this kind of thing on a dead daypart than to totally disappear (although I quit listening when they put baseball on and have never gone back).

If you do not like what they have done, write to the station. Tell them you are a listener and you feel let down by one of the stations you regularly tune to, and offer suggestions on how they should do this kind of programming. You might even convince them that they need to reevaluate such long segments all for one sponsor.

And I think it is wrong when anyone hogs the board with an "everything is all right - radio is perfect - we know what we are doing and you the mere listener must be an idiot for disagreeing with me" attitude.

It's your attitude that is at fault. KFWB is simply trying to make some money in a bad daypart. They are NOT doing anything illegal. Your analysis of the FCC rule pertaining to sponsor ID was simply incorrect as you are not in radio and should not be expected to understand the meaning of terms of the trade... yet you go on tirades against anyone who trys to set you straight. You did the same on the KBRT issue, too, and have been proven totally wrong.

"Adding infomercials is just another rung on their descent ladder going into the bottomless pit that AM radio is sadly becoming."

That is what people think of your industry knowledge, David. Perhaps your listeners are stupid enough to think an 8-minute stopset is good radio, I am not.


AM has been in trouble for years, and each year there is less listening to the band and the age of the listener gets older. Talk formats are moving to FM. So AMs will incresingly have to find new ways of getting revenue... and eventually disappear or become ultra-niche.

As I said, a 7 minute stopset is pretty average for music formats today, when you calculate the time between the end of one song to the start of another... because most music stations run just two stops an hour and they load them with more spots than an AM news station does, since the news station can rund a bit of news and a few spots, a bit of sports and a few spots, etc all through the hour. Music listeners tend to react to interruptions, not set length, so the spots are clustered.... been that way for a decade or two as well.
 
DavidEduardo said:
John McNary said:
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It was a clear fraud on the listening public.

It was clearly a paid series of commercials masquerading as news.

It was an obvious violation of the public trust and of FCC regulations.

And the denials of KFWB management in this forum several weeks ago were a lie to us.

If there were "long commercials" in regular programming and the name of the advertiser, either company or product, was in the commercials, then sponsorship identification rules were complied with. There is no onter requirement of a legal nature in the rules.

Many stations do similar things... they do short infomercials (about the length of a stopset) within an hour or half hour, all for the same client. As long as the sponsorship rules are complied with, they are not in violation of the rules.

From The Public and Broadcasting on the FCC website:

Sponsorship Identification. Sponsorship identification or disclosure must accompany any material that is broadcast in exchange for money, service, or anything else of value paid to a station, either directly or indirectly. This announcement must clearly say that the time was purchased and by whom. In the case of advertisements for commercial products or services, it is sufficient to announce the sponsor's corporate or trade name, or the name of the sponsor's product (where it is clear that the mention of the product constitutes a sponsorship identification).

What is, then, wrong with these commercials?

David:

You are correct.

I can see how someone might get confused (or upset) with it being aired on a station know for news, but they complied. It is legal. KFWB must be in need of the cash.

Others:

Also, fake call-ins (or pre-recorded bits that are used to sound as if it is live) happens all the time without disclaimers. A radio station in LA recently aired an interview with a singer stating clearly that the singer would be with them on a certain day (the day they aired the interview) when she actually had come into the studio the day before and recorded the entire interview then. Audience was very mis-lead. Then there are those canned artist interviews that any station can get and the local DJ just records the pre-designed questions, a little editing, and it sounds like they did the interview in person (unless you listen closely). Audio differences are a dead give away and so is the fact they never step on each others words. Happens more than you might want to think.
 
You are not in radio and should not be expected to understand the meaning of terms of the trade...

How typical. How sneering.


As I said

And said, and said, and said. Repetition seems to equal truthfulness in your argument.

I tell you what, Mr. Gleason. Since you are so correct, why don't you supply me the program log from one of YOUR stations doing the same infomercial trick, and we'll send it in on Form 2000 to DC? I would love to see your bluff called there.

Do you want to see if I'm bluffing?

I have calls in to KFWB, and naturally have not heard back. That's OK, I'm patient. I can wait several weeks before I decide what to do.

I would love to hear Mr. Ludlum's explanation for what happened. Maybe it was a mistake.
 
John McNary said:
You are not in radio and should not be expected to understand the meaning of terms of the trade...

How typical. How sneering.

Jeeze. I make a statement that basically acquits you for the misuse of terms and the misinterpretation of the FCC rules that use them, and you find it condescending.

We have an expression that kind of goes, "the birds are firing on the shotguns" which applies here... I understand you are not in radio, and I gave you a pass for not understanding certain things, yet you shoot at me none the same.

For example, you use 72.1212 to differentiate between infomericials and spots, yet the rule does not use the term "infomercial" anywhere.

I tell you what, Mr. Gleason. Since you are so correct, why don't you supply me the program log from one of YOUR stations doing the same infomercial trick, and we'll send it in on Form 2000 to DC? I would love to see your bluff called there.

We don't have any all news stations. And, in any case, a program log only shows the commercials by approximate time and length, not the non-commercial elements... stations don't even have to have logs today in fact since billing records are comuterized. The log requirement goes back to when commercial time, news time, public affairs time all had to be tabulated for license renewal. Today, that is not required. And logs and invoices could prove or disprove double billing, a license-revocation level offense... today, the exact time invoices and pricing detail make a log unnecessary.

Do you want to see if I'm bluffing?

I don't care whether you are 5,000 feet above Catalina in a self-propelled hot air baloon: you were wrong about the sponsor identification rule and KFWB has done nothing illegal per the rules. You might want to stay on topic in this issue or, otherwise, start a new thread about infomercials.... which are legal by all considerations.

I have calls in to KFWB, and naturally have not heard back.

You may not hear from them if you accused them of violating sponsor ID rules. They might have checked the logger, verified that they did have valid sponsor ID and decided you were a kook.

That's OK, I'm patient. I can wait several weeks before I decide what to do.

What can you do? KFWB did nothing wrong.
 
I'm not for the government butting in on things, but I'll make an exception with radio. Somebody has to save the medium. These owners are just in it to cash in, and get out. They could care less about the future of the industry. I'm for repeal of the Telecommunications Act (thanks, Bill Clinton). Let's go back to the days of regulation, when commercial stations were forced to run x number of minutes a week of news, etc. The focus was on content that "served the public interest." I don't think they had infomercials in mind.
 
kzewdude said:
I'm not for the government butting in on things, but I'll make an exception with radio. Somebody has to save the medium. These owners are just in it to cash in, and get out. They could care less about the future of the industry. I'm for repeal of the Telecommunications Act (thanks, Bill Clinton). Let's go back to the days of regulation, when commercial stations were forced to run x number of minutes a week of news, etc. The focus was on content that "served the public interest." I don't think they had infomercials in mind.

I don't think that increasing regulation of content serves the purpose of saving the medium. The minimum amounts of news, PA and Other as well as PSA counts and commercial load averages served a purpose in the 60's and maybe the 70's when there were fewer viable stations per market and very little alternative media.

Today, we have not just more radio stations and TV outlets, but we have hundreds of cable channels and a gazillion web sources. There is no need to have radio stations all providing such content, particularly since listeners more than ever know where to go for news coverage.

Obligating, let's say, an AC station to have news every hour does service to nobody. The AC listener came for the music and absence of talk. It lessens the ability of the AC station to serve by providing its relaxing blend of music. All that cluttering music stations with news and talk does is drive listeners to satellite or the Internet.

The satellite operators know how people want to get their radio. So the news is on news channels, talk is on talk channels and news is on news channels. The listener can get whatever they want when they want it simply by changing channels. Forcing terrestrial radio to do things listeners do not want or expect from their favorite stations will just make those stations vulnerable to alternative media that does give what is wanted.

"The Public Interest" has, unfortunately, been defined as news and talk programming. In today's world, service is also provided by the station that plays a listener's favorite music without interruptions or annoyances and, thus, helps make the day go better for the listener.

Those of us who talk to many, many listeners out on the streets know that loading up stations with news when it is neither wanted or expected or with vacuous public affairs shows benefits nobody as those listeners simply change to another entertainment source. The problem comes when bureaucrats believe the radical fringe (the localism hearings leap to mind) and decide that something 99.9% of listeners don't want is important. Now that will truly kill terrestrial radio.
 
kzewdude said:
I'm not for the government butting in on things, but I'll make an exception with radio. Somebody has to save the medium. These owners are just in it to cash in, and get out. They could care less about the future of the industry. I'm for repeal of the Telecommunications Act (thanks, Bill Clinton). Let's go back to the days of regulation, when commercial stations were forced to run x number of minutes a week of news, etc. The focus was on content that "served the public interest." I don't think they had infomercials in mind.

The thought of re-regulation is a dangerous thing because when government regulates it usually over regulates. I can understand the concern here about the placing of certain material within what purports to be factual content such as news. I have heard one recently on another station where a political ad opposing the freeway at San Onofre which will encroach on the beach. It is a live read by the news reader and is done so seamlessly as to appear,at first glance, as a part of the news.

Now I do have a problem with news people ads in general but in most cases it is obviously not a part of the news such as this news, traffic, weather, was brought to you by xyz so it is less dangerous. I have not heard the incidents cited here on KFWB but if it isn't clearly discernible as commercial content that is a problem, but not a case to bring out the government watchdogs. Also since it is being done in what appears to be off hours, not like my case it can be,not forgiven, but maybe deserves a letter to management. Hopefully the people at CBS will get the point and add a disclaimer where needed.
 
nmoore6676 said:
I have not heard the incidents cited here on KFWB but if it isn't clearly discernible as commercial content that is a problem, but not a case to bring out the government watchdogs. Also since it is being done in what appears to be off hours, not like my case it can be,not forgiven, but maybe deserves a letter to management. Hopefully the people at CBS will get the point and add a disclaimer where needed.

It's really as simple as that... a clearer disclaimer. No need for rants, complaints to the FCC... just some common sense by the folks producing the mininfomercials.
 
No, it is not that simple, and only a corporate radio exec would minimize it as such.

Of course you would think that, David, you are a part of the problem. Corporate radio has made you very rich, and you have long ago lost the perspective of a radio user. You are paid to get away with as much as the market and sleepy regulators will let you.

I am amazed, however, that any corporate radio mouth would defend paid programming masquerading, unannounced, as news programming. Clearly, the FCC has warned broadcasters that such deception is illegal in terms of VNRs.

Your spirited defense shows just how bankrupt - morally and financially - the corporate radio scene is.

I just love the argument that times are tough, interest rates are high, and the station has to generate enough cash to cover its huge interest bills.

No one forced those speculators to borrow heavily and pay billions in a speculative frenzy.

If Infinity paid too much for the CBS properties, tough cheese. That does not mean they get to violate the FCC regulations, the clear rules that state program-length material be identified as such.

David, the FCC rules do not specificially mention video news releases either, yet the FCC has strongly warned and indeed fined broadcast and cable stations for airing handout material that they were not even paid for.

The companies I have worked for over decades, including CBS, at one time had standards and practices that clearly delineated the illegaility of what happened Sunday.

Those have fallen by the wayside as corporate raider after corporate raider came in and paid too much for the licenses, causing the financial woes that have caused KFWB and other to prostitute themselves.

This is why American radio broadcasting is in a self-inflicted, deserved death spiral.

And by the way, you attempt to "give me an excuse" is patronizing and insulting.

But you are right. Enough ranting.

I think an FCC complaint is exactly the proper cause of action. And you know what? When I talk to KFWB I'll be sure to tell them you sent me.
 
John, you can file a complaint, but as I outlined they will not even begin to take it seriously unless it is carefully documented. Time stamped air checks would be best but in any event you should have some sort of written log outlining the content and the times it was run.

But a good first step would be a polite and succinct letter to the people at KFWB stating your feelings. In the old days there was clearly defined self regulation fro a lot of stuff like the amount of time devoted to commercials and the types of commercials which could be run. A lot of that was through NAB which was an organizations of broadcasters and membership told the public that a particular station subscribed to good practices.

I do not know what your involvement but I should try to cooperate with persons like David who could actually help to implement that former type of self regulation. The problem with the government bureaucracy is that they almost always swing the pendulum off scale to the other side and it leads to the program destroying enforcement that followed in the wake of "Nipplegate".

Broadcasters are for whatever reasons in a financial crisis which in my mind had more to do with declining revenue more than financing buyouts, although service the acquired debt is a factor. So if paid for broadcast content can help the bottom line it should be allowed, though I agree that deliberate deception is not good. I will make an attempt to listen and see if I am hearing what you recount. It is not new, it goes all the way back to Dr. Brinkley, the goat gland doctor. A lot of heritage radio stations originally were founded by businesses wishing to promote their products (notably WLS, Chicago).
 
Very good points.

I would like to hear from KFWB, maybe this was an error. But if it was not an error, a very-detailed log will be submitted.

I think, however, that cooperating with someone like Mr. Gleason is not only superfluous to this matter, but a waste of time in any.
 
John McNary said:
No, it is not that simple, and only a corporate radio exec would minimize it as such.

Most of my career, spanning 49 years this year, has been with either stations I owned or smaller groups including family owned operations for many of those years. My perspective has always been to serve the greatest audience possible and if you do you will be rewarded.

Of course you would think that, David, you are a part of the problem. Corporate radio has made you very rich, and you have long ago lost the perspective of a radio user. You are paid to get away with as much as the market and sleepy regulators will let you.

I speak with thousands of radio listeners a year in person in each market I work with. My group speaks with hundreds of thousands a year, directly, in person or in calls we originate. Our intent is to learn what listeners want, and deliver to them those things they like or want.

"What is "corporate radio?" I checked my station database, and 99% of stations are owned by corporations. How many stations have to be owned by one company to consider the company "corporate?" In my exeriences, the cuttung of corners, the poor internal controls, etc., come more often from small owners in trouble or where the owner is not knowledgable or not a good broadcaster.

As to being "very rich" please tell me how you calculated that? You are throwing lies against the wall to see if they stick here... sort of like the last minute mud slinging in the political arena for the last few days ahead of Super Tuesday. We are NOT at any larger broadcast company paid to protect our licences by operating within the letter and spirit of all laws and to provide service to our listeners. In fact, larger companies have staffers that help guarantee compliance with all regulation and responsibilities as broadcasters.

I am amazed, however, that any corporate radio mouth would defend paid programming masquerading, unannounced, as news programming. Clearly, the FCC has warned broadcasters that such deception is illegal in terms of VNRs.

A video news release is very different. The FCC questions these, as they should, because they may not be news per se and thus constiture a free commercial without the required sponsor ID. VNRs don't play musch of a part in radio (ANR for audio news release?) and this is a new issue that involves non-paid on air exposure. That is very different from a long spot run in regular programming

I have not heard the KFWB segments, but by your admission, each one has the name of the sponsor within it. If they are typical of mortgage advertising, they say the name often, in fact. Sponsorship identification is complied with, no matter where the name is placed in each mini-segment.

The only real difference from a 60 second spot for the same client and the 8 minute one is length. Were a 60 with the same content to have been the first spot in a stopset, I doubt you would object. You dislike the introduction of 8 minute spots into the regular format, and are, as in the Cinderella story, trying to find a legal foot that fits your discontent. You can not pin it on sponsor ID rules, so you want to blame something... thus your failure to do what Mr. Moore wisely suggests: write the station and tell them that you find what they are doing improper and poorly executed. You might suggest that, if your description is accurate, the way they drop the commercials into the programming makes the infomercials seem to be part of the programming

I just love the argument that times are tough, interest rates are high, and the station has to generate enough cash to cover its huge interest bills. If Infinity paid too much for the CBS properties, tough cheese. That does not mean they get to violate the FCC regulations, the clear rules that state program-length material be identified as such. No one forced those speculators to borrow heavily and pay billions in a speculative frenzy.

CBS bought infinity in June of 1966 for $3,9 billion plus assumption of debt, and they renamed the whole division Infinity. This was in the middle of the long winding Westinghouse deal with CBS, starting with the TV affiliations of the Group W stations and ending with Westinghouse buying CBS and the radio division becoming Infinity, and then merging with Viacom in an all stock deal. "All stock" means no debt... the deal was done by merging and swapping infinity shares for Viacom shares.

So don't blame debt. Most of consolidation was done with equity financing (new shares) and not cash. Even biggies like Clear Channel have a reasonable debt to equity ratio, so this is a non-issue in this particular case.

By the way, interest rates are LOW. Haven't you noticed what the Fed has done in the last 90 days? Or that home mortgages are available for well under 6% today? Yet you say, and infer that I mentioned, that "interest rates are high." They aren't... and this is another example of your creating straw men and straw facts to justify your positions. Your facts are wrong here.

The real fact is that all news is the world's most expensive format, and this explains whey there are nearly none outside the top 10 markets. With radio revenue flat or downtrending in most sectors (essentially, all except ethnic radio) and the economy in a near recession, stations with high expenses are vulnerabel.

If you understand that, you can see that you should make your case with the station in the hopes they would improve the presentation of the paid long commercials. If you value the all news service, help the station to understand what the listeners feel... without going balistic. They may think the presentation is proper, and would like to know if the perception of an interested, loyal listener is different.

David, the FCC rules do not specificially mention video news releases either, yet the FCC has strongly warned and indeed fined broadcast and cable stations for airing handout material that they were not even paid for.

Apples and oranges. We are talking about 8 minute commercials with proper sponsor ID. KFWB is apparently complying with every rule in this case. We are NOT talking about program length commercials, as 8 minutes is well within the length of stopsets in commercial radio... heck, Howard Stern's sets sometimes went over 10 minutes!

The companies I have worked for over decades, including CBS, at one time had standards and practices that clearly delineated the illegaility of what happened Sunday.

Like the NAB Code, standards and practices are not the law, they are a set of guidelines that goes beyond the law. KFWB, by complying with the rule on sponsor ID in each long commercial, met the requirements of the FCC rules. You think they should go beyond the rules and ad a tag at the open and maybe the close... that would be voluntary and not compulsary. The only way KFWB is going to consider this is if people like yourself point out the situation reasonably, without calling everyone names.

Those have fallen by the wayside as corporate raider after corporate raider came in and paid too much for the licenses, causing the financial woes that have caused KFWB and other to prostitute themselves.

Again, debt that does not exist is not the reason. It's a lot simpler... the folks in production, seeing the mortgage segments as long spots in between news and traffic, felt the sponsor ID requirement was met. You feel that it is appropriat to have an opening tag or somthing of the sort. Suggest it to them in writing... something you apparently have not done.

I think an FCC complaint is exactly the proper cause of action. And you know what? When I talk to KFWB I'll be sure to tell them you sent me.

Why would an FCC complaint prosper? They have broken no rule. All you will do is make it even more expensive to run the station than it already is. Why not simply write them a suggestion, not a threat, of how they can do this kind of long commercial better? This is not something you do on the phone. And by sending a letter, you receive the gratification that it goes into the Public Inspection File, meaning they notice it.
 
John McNary said:
I think, however, that cooperating with someone like Mr. Gleason is not only superfluous to this matter, but a waste of time in any.

I have no horse in this race. I don't work for Infinity, never have. I am only looking at this from the perspective of the long spots being a reality of what radio has to do to get revenue today in a bad economy.

You may, in fact, find KFWB very interested in your observations. Just avoid calling them scofflaws and liars.
 
Good grief, your post is overwritten. Do you expect anyone to plow through that?

It is sad in your 49-year broadcast career that you have not learned that it is against the law in the United States to masquerade paid material as news.

There was no proper identification, or any identification whatsoever, on the fake newscasts.

You did not hear the broadcasts, and you have no way to make your conclusion that "KFWB complied with the rule on sponsor ID in each long commercial, (and) met the requirements of the FCC rules."

You have made your point 6 times without listening, David. The programs were not at any time identified as paid material, a sponsor was not identified in most of the programs, and the programs were cloaked and disguised as news material.

The FCC has made it very clear that it will not tolerate sponsored information to be presented as news.

That is basic ethics, consumer fraud protection and - like or not - the law of the land. As the FCC stated in April, 2005: ""Listeners and viewers are entitled to know who seeks to persuade them with the programming offered over broadcast stations and cable systems."

Perhaps you raise a good point, in that many broadcast executives such as yourself are unclear on the federal law. An FCC § 73.1212 action here will certainly get your attention, won't it?

I would never file such a complaint just to prove some industry blowhard wrong, as tempting as it might be. I am awaiting communication from the offending station and will act accordingly.

"All you will do is make it even more expensive to run the station than it already is. "

Aha, your true motive emerges.
 
I just talked to Ludlum.

He's reading this column. Interesting he won't surface.

He said the paid aspect of the programming was announced at 7:06 and 7:59.

The FCC complaint will be filed.

We'll let the FCC decide if hiding commercial material as news content is within §73.1212.
 
Andy Ludlum said:
:We are NOT airing any block programming infomercials. There are no plans now and none in the future. When we pulled our Dodgers' offer mid-September we recommitted to what we've done for 35 of the last 40 years, which is ALL NEWS, ALL THE TIME.

Mr. Kramer's post about weekend traffic is something we are very aware of. It is very important to me that KFWB be absolutely dependable -- that you know what you are going to get 24/7. As a news guy -- I'm happy to have an opportunity to showcase our product without inconsistencies.

I've been with the station 10 years -- and while I'm biased -- I don't think we've sounded brighter and sharper than we do now. And so contrary to the All Access post -- I've added 3-4 minutes of news to every hour. You'll now hear more minutes of news on KFWB than any other commercial news station.

Hopefully this is just the "beginning" of something better.

Andy Ludlum
Program Director
KFWB NEWS 980

OK, Mr. Ludlum. I was short with you on the phone --- I do not suffer fools lightly.

Care to explain your case?
 
John McNary said:
OK, Mr. Ludlum. I was short with you on the phone --- I do not suffer fools lightly.

Apparently, you don't realize you just called KFWBs PD a fool. You said, "I was rude as heck on the phone because I am normally rude to fools."

Care to explain your case?

The FCC does not require you to deal with people who can not be civil and who engage in name calling. You burnt your bridge. Find something else to mess with... uuuups, I forgot... you are taking on the SCT now (see San Diego forum).
 
DavidEduardo said:
John McNary said:
OK, Mr. Ludlum. I was short with you on the phone --- I do not suffer fools lightly.

Apparently, you don't realize you just called KFWBs PD a fool. You said, "I was rude as heck on the phone because I am normally rude to fools."

Care to explain your case?

The FCC does not require you to deal with people who can not be civil and who engage in name calling. You burnt your bridge. Find something else to mess with... uuuups, I forgot... you are taking on the SCT now (see San Diego forum).

The FCC does require that newscasts not present paid material masquerading as news, and that is the topic here.

As for bridges to corporate broadcasting gatekeepers like you, I gladly burned those with kerosene and matches years ago and could care less.

Now pls excuse me, I've got a petition to write.
 
John McNary said:
It is sad in your 49-year broadcast career that you have not learned that it is against the law in the United States to masquerade paid material as news.

I am going by what you originally posted, where you said that the name of the mortgage company was embedded in the (long) spots. That complies with sponsor ID.

There was no proper identification, or any identification whatsoever, on the fake newscasts.

If the advertiser or its products are mentioned in a spot, sponsor ID is fulfilled. Sponsor ID does not have to go at the beginning or end of a spot, just be there somewhere.

You did not hear the broadcasts, and you have no way to make your conclusion that "KFWB complied with the rule on sponsor ID in each long commercial, (and) met the requirements of the FCC rules."

You, yourself, said that the name of the advertiser was embedded in the spots.

You did say "Repeat: the mortgage pitches were not identified as commercial material as the station went into and out of news programming." But that is not a legal requirement. And you did say, "The program host mentioned his company, all right, but he did not say that it was paying for the program until the end of the last segment."

See? You say that they did in fact make Sponsor ID. You seem to want it at the beginning and end of each commercial, and that is not a requirement.

You have made your point 6 times without listening, David. The programs were not at any time identified as paid material, a sponsor was not identified in most of the programs, and the programs were cloaked and disguised as news material.

You accept they named the mortgage company. That is all that is required. There is no rule that says "THis commerical is paid for." There is a rule that each spot must contain the name of the sponsor or its products. That's all, folks.

The FCC has made it very clear that it will not tolerate sponsored information to be presented as news.

VNRs are not sponsored. They are clips provide free, not paid for. Very different. These mortgage spots, long or short, are paid for.

That is basic ethics, consumer fraud protection and - like or not - the law of the land. As the FCC stated in April, 2005: ""Listeners and viewers are entitled to know who seeks to persuade them with the programming offered over broadcast stations and cable systems."

In other words, you hold the belief that, while YOU were able to distinguish between the paid spots and content, the rest of the audience is so dumb that they will not be able to distinguish between some guy hawking mortgages and actual news content. That is a sad commentary on your own persona.
 
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