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KFYI Tanks in February

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headphonejack

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I saw the numbers today. Notice how all the kfyiclearchannel lovers on this board are torching KT'R even more than their sicko minds normally allow them to do? Now it all makes sense to me after I looked at the 550 numbers in February. Tank city. Since the postmaster will delete any numbers I post I won't mess with that but OUCH!!!!!!!!!! If you go to the ratings page on allacess or radioandrecords you'll see their 12+ number fizzled. You should see 25 to 54. I wish I could post it so you could see how bad it is. They went from the top to outside the highest 15. No wonder the clearchannel lovebunnies are trashing KT'R so much.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Is it raining lower ratings where you are? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
redbullfan said:
Please! Posting dis-honest information is wrong. If you can't be honest please refrain from posting here!

Thank you redbull! It's time for the truth here.
 
I don't live in Phoenix, but I looked up the numbers. KFYI had a very bad month.
 
I knew there was something wrong when the KFYI boys were bagging on KT'R's numbers but didn't mention their own.
 
headphonejack said:
I saw the numbers today. Notice how all the kfyiclearchannel lovers on this board are torching KT'R even more than their sicko minds normally allow them to do? Now it all makes sense to me after I looked at the 550 numbers in February. Tank city. Since the postmaster will delete any numbers I post I won't mess with that but OUCH!!!!!!!!!! If you go to the ratings page on allacess or radioandrecords you'll see their 12+ number fizzled. You should see 25 to 54. I wish I could post it so you could see how bad it is. They went from the top to outside the highest 15. No wonder the clearchannel lovebunnies are trashing KT'R so much.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Is it raining lower ratings where you are? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

People trash KT'R and TMISU because of the following:

-Targeting the Aunt Edna demographic in Sun City
-Pat McBland
-Paul Harvey's never ending story and the afternoon snooze
-Toaster Talk
-Stimulating discussions on when the first 100 degree day will be
-Is it raining where you are questions
-Afternoon snooze with Ded and Heidi
-Morning snooze with Ned and Connie
-"What a joke" Gaydos after Dark

Did I miss anything Dr.?

So, now the important question- Did KTAR AM or FM beat KFYI this ratings period?!?!?! ???

I didn't think so.... ;)

Is KT'R still boring on your radio?? ::)
 
headphonejack said:
I saw the numbers today. Notice how all the kfyiclearchannel lovers on this board are torching KT'R even more than their sicko minds normally allow them to do? Now it all makes sense to me after I looked at the 550 numbers in February. Tank city. Since the postmaster will delete any numbers I post I won't mess with that but OUCH!!!!!!!!!! If you go to the ratings page on allacess or radioandrecords you'll see their 12+ number fizzled. You should see 25 to 54. I wish I could post it so you could see how bad it is. They went from the top to outside the highest 15. No wonder the clearchannel lovebunnies are trashing KT'R so much.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Is it raining lower ratings where you are? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Uhh, maybe I'm wrong here, but 3rd place isn't really that bad.

I suppose you're going to conveniently leave out the fact that news/talk ratings in general performed poorly in the recent sample in this market. In addition, I think we should all keep in mind that this is the winter book--which is treated with far less weight than the spring or fall books. I think one should probably wait for the entire book to be completed and then examine the ratings thereafter. Look at the track record: As I take a glance at the last 20 ratings periods in Phoenix, KFYI has beaten KTAR in every one of them, (in virtually every demo). Naturally, they slip to 3rd place (12+) in a bad sample, in a normally bad book, everyone jumps on them... It's easy to dislike the top dog I guess.

By the way, if we're to use your argument for this most recent trend as fodder to abuse stations, what about KTAR-FM and their impressive showing? Losing to FREE-FM, are you kidding? FREE-FM, Radio's equivalent of the Mendoza line.
 
KMGX said:
I suppose you're going to conveniently leave out the fact that news/talk ratings in general performed poorly in the recent sample in this market. In addition, I think we should all keep in mind that this is the winter book--which is treated with far less weight than the spring or fall books. I think one should probably wait for the entire book to be completed and then examine the ratings thereafter.

Good point. N/T had a miserable February, and the extraps show KFYI off by 45% from January, and it was off by nearly 75% in 25-54! This goes more to show that unweighted trends are just that: interim reports that use pieces of the sample from two different surveys without the appropriate weighting. Thus, they should be used as a tool, not an end product.

I do not know how Arbitron treated the partial simulcast of KTAR and KTAR-FM in February, but it looks like the previous, trailing, numbers are tracking the AM, not the FM. THis means that the February numbers may be a 0.0 for December, and then the average of Jan and Feb for the trend.... meaning that February would have been as much as double the trend number... Arbitron uses several alternatives for the crediting of trailing numbers, and it looks like KTAR-FM started out with a 0.0 trailing on January 12.
 
I do not know how Arbitron treated the partial simulcast of KTAR and KTAR-FM in February, but it looks like the previous, trailing, numbers are tracking the AM, not the FM. THis means that the February numbers may be a 0.0 for December, and then the average of Jan and Feb for the trend.... meaning that February would have been as much as double the trend number... Arbitron uses several alternatives for the crediting of trailing numbers, and it looks like KTAR-FM started out with a 0.0 trailing on January 12.

Huh? Without getting into the complications of explaining the mysteries of Arbitron, Nurse Jeff and I have a simple explanation: KFWhyEye is programed better than News 92~Three, where Hip-Hop used to live. Any questions?

??? ??? Is it raining where the Master Blogger lives? ??? ???
 
I keep reading all these things about KT'R doing shows on the first 100 degree day and where it's raining. Is this from a long time ago? I've never heard KT'R do shows like that. I keep reading about Toaster Talk, whatever that is.

I'm not from Phoenix, but I don't exactly find Barry Young and Joe Crummey hard hitting talk. Barry plays sounders that drive me crazy and spends his whole show introducing his board operator and producer and Crummey is more interested in his own voice than doing a hard core show. Rush and Hannity are great hosts, but the rest of KFYI sounds like toaster talk... whatever that is.
 
vettalkguy said:
I keep reading all these things about KT'R doing shows on the first 100 degree day and where it's raining. Is this from a long time ago? I've never heard KT'R do shows like that. I keep reading about Toaster Talk, whatever that is.

I'm not from Phoenix, but I don't exactly find Barry Young and Joe Crummey hard hitting talk. Barry plays sounders that drive me crazy and spends his whole show introducing his board operator and producer and Crummey is more interested in his own voice than doing a hard core show. Rush and Hannity are great hosts, but the rest of KFYI sounds like toaster talk... whatever that is.
To address your questions: KTAR had a tradition of doing shows and even a contest as to when the first 100 degree day in Phoenix would be. Preston Westmoreland did this as a regular segment in or around March 20-30 every year or so and would bring in Ed Philips (the second worst meteorologist in the market--right behind good ol' 30% Royal) to discuss the exciting topic.

Since you're not from Phoenix, you don't get to hear the 15-25 shows each summer devoted to an incoming storm during the Monsoon Season. During this time, whatever host is on KTAR at the time devotes an entire hour (or more) to talk to listeners about the storm, where it is, where they think it's headed and asking the listeners literally "is it raining where you are?" "what is it like where you are". Phoenix is not the ONLY market that does this, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego and other relatively tame climates do this, but most people find it annoying, small-market and not at all entertaining radio. KTAR hosts act as though it is the first time there has ever been a severe thunderstorm in Phoenix in July, August or September. This is also true of the folks on our local TV News channels who will literally cover a storm that drops 0.27" of rain as if it's Hurricane Katrina. When I first moved to Phoenix in August of 1982 and even throughout most of the 80s, I don't recall such sensationalism of this nonsense, even KTAR didn't do that kind of radio as much, but now it's become quite the tradition to ask listeners "is it raining where you are".

"Toaster Talk" refers to discussion of topics that are of little, if any, consequence in reality or are ensconced in frivolity. Examples of such topics that I have heard on KTAR during the past year: "Do you think I-10 should be widened to 24 lanes? what do you think give me a call?" "What are your favorite restaurants in Phoenix?" (that's a Pat McBland favorite, he's done that topic at least 3 times in the last 5 months and I scan frequently around the dial many days missing his program), "What is your favorite rock song? what song gets stuck in your head?" "TV shows: What are you watching, do you like reality TV? What do you think of this American Idol fad?" (another Pat McBland classic). The list literally goes on and on. This is "Toaster talk" at it's finest.

Your point about the Barely Famous Nearly Young show is quite well taken, the sound effects are annoying, the shtick is, at times, unbelievable tired, the frequent references to inside show jokes a bit overwhelming... that said when he does discuss issues (50% of the show time perhaps), he delivers them well, doesn't solicit phone calls with lame gimmick questions as he presumes the audience is more intelligent than to need to probe them and actually has researched opinions (whether you agree with him or not is a different story). Joe Crummey isn't very good, he's a KTAR-like host, the singing intro is ridiculous and childish, the way he talks is very much like an FM-puker and his topics--while good at times--are often segmented, survey radio style, KTARish in nature. Again, his show is still better than the alternative of the afternoon Snooze with Ded and Highdee. I am typically listening to Jacobs and Moratta or a game on the sports parking lot if it's on at the time.
 
I can remember way back, when KTAR (I'm not saying it was McMahon) would have appliance repair men on the show to talk about taking care of your vacuum, your toaster, sewing machine, etc. I think this is the origin of "toaster talk."
 
Somebody please explain the "KT'R"??? I have only been here 2.5 years and I don't get the apostrophe. Please help me! ??? ???
 
formeraa said:
Somebody please explain the "KT'R"??? I have only been here 2.5 years and I don't get the apostrophe.

Has Preston been gone that long? :eek:

We can thank former PM drive host Preston Vastwasteland for this one.
His diction in enunciating the call letters almost always resulted in it
sounding as if he forgot--or ran rapidly right over--the "A" in KTAR.

And so KT'R was born here on the PHX radio board, to live on forever
in its infamy. We don't miss a trick here. ;D

I want to mention who first came up with it, but I'm having trouble
IIRCing. Was it Akbar?
 
Huh? Without getting into the complications of explaining the mysteries of Arbitron, Nurse Jeff and I have a simple explanation: KFWhyEye is programed better than News 92~Three, where Hip-Hop used to live. Any questions

Agreed. Now please help me understand Arbitron... Who gets a diary anyway? Couldn't there be a more accurate way of tracking listeners??
 
KCIR said:
[Agreed. Now please help me understand Arbitron...

www.arbitron.com where there is online free training.


Who gets a diary anyway?


It's a random probability sample. Read up on iit.

Couldn't there be a more accurate way of tracking listeners??

Yes, the People Meter. Coming to Phoenix in about 18 months.
 
I want to mention who first came up with it, but I'm having trouble
IIRCing. Was it Akbar?


The Nurse and I only copied what we heard on KT'R at the time. Pppppppreston Westmoreland was just one of the many people who skipped over the "A". Heywood did it..some of the news and sports people as well. Kevin Ray still does it on Sports Parking Lot 6~Twenty.

Next question: We've only lived here for almost 25 years. How come they pulled "Swap Shop" from Saturday mornings on KT'R?
 
How come they pulled "Swap Shop" from Saturday mornings on KT'R?

I think it was because someone slipped some acid to Rita Davenport and she started screaming "I am the Lizard Queen!!!!" while on the air.

Messy situation.
 
How come they pulled "Swap Shop" from Saturday mornings on KT'R?

I think it was because someone slipped some acid to Rita Davenport and she started screaming "I am the Lizard Queen!!!!" while on the air.

Messy situation.


WRONG!!! Rita Davenport really IS the Lizard Queen!
 
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