KFYI--The Following Is On Tape

[oldiesfan6479]

55/FYI...this slam's for you.

Today's memorial service at VA Tech was, IIRC, supposed to begin
at 2 Eastern/11 Pacific, but the start was apparently delayed for
some amount of time.

In fact, I heard El Rushbo mentioning this and that his show would
pick up a live feed of the event when it started in a few minutes.

Unfortunately, I heard all of this during the early part of the noon hour,
where in real time the event had occurred in the previous hour. Did
KFYI break in to the previous hour with the coverage, then air it
again an hour later? (I was able to spot check various stations only
from 12:00-12:15 or so.)

Let's all give a big round of applause to the Dude Boss for his decision
(as did the Chick Boss previously) to run Rush and Hannity on a
one-hour delay during daylight-saving time. :

I'm sure KT'R had it all over 55/FYI on this one.

 

[KMGX]

55/FYI...this slam's for you.

Today's memorial service at VA Tech was, IIRC, supposed to begin
at 2 Eastern/11 Pacific, but the start was apparently delayed for
some amount of time.

In fact, I heard El Rushbo mentioning this and that his show would
pick up a live feed of the event when it started in a few minutes.

Unfortunately, I heard all of this during the early part of the noon hour,
where in real time the event had occurred in the previous hour. Did
KFYI break in to the previous hour with the coverage, then air it
again an hour later? (I was able to spot check various stations only
from 12:00-12:15 or so.)

Let's all give a big round of applause to the Dude Boss for his decision
(as did the Chick Boss previously) to run Rush and Hannity on a
one-hour delay during daylight-saving time. :

I'm sure KT'R had it all over 55/FYI on this one.

Not that I like Rush very much, but I would much rather hear him than memorial services on the radio. Rush brings in the cash and the listeners, radio is a business and decisions must be made based upon what is the most business savvy move.

One area in which we do see eye to eye is your comments on tape delaying Rush and Sean... it makes no sense to do this--then again it makes no sense to tape delay Jim Rome nor does it really seem logical to tape delay ESPN Radio for a four hour block on Sports 620 KTAR. I've never heard more tape delayed programming in the midday hours than I have in this market. It's a joke to say the least. It's awfully hard to have a connection/interaction with an audience that's an hour in the can.

 

[DrAkbar]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...no big deal!

 

[vettalkguy]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...no big deal!

What. No big deal?

Breaking details on a big story an hour late and that gets zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz?

KFYI played the president twice. But Dr. Barry says zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. :

 

[buster2]

We can all thank the powers that be at the state legislature (circa 1969 or so) who decided to keep Arizona off of Daylight Savings Time. That's the only reason it makes sense to delay Rush, Hannity, Rome, etc., though the delay certainly does not seem to have hurt the ratings for any of those shows.

Many people will recall about 8 - 10 years ago, under AM / FM management, KFYI did air Rush live throughout the year. What happened was Rush began at 9 AM April - October and then started at 10 AM the rest of the year. It was not successful. People got confused and irritated by the changes.

Tape delay was debated often when I was at KFYI many moons ago. The consensus was that with the unfortunate exception of breaking news (as we saw this week), it wasn't that big a deal. Ratings bear out the fact that most people don't care.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

We can all thank the powers that be at the state legislature (circa 1969 or so) who decided to keep Arizona off of Daylight Savings Time.

1968 it was, following what they viewed as the "debacle of 1967" when AZ for that
one year did observe DST. The drive-in theater lobby was really a potent force then. :

Many people will recall about 8 - 10 years ago, under AM / FM management, KFYI did air Rush live throughout the year. What happened was Rush began at 9 AM April - October and then started at 10 AM the rest of the year. It was not successful. People got confused and irritated by the changes.

This must be the audience that can't even set their VCR clock. (OK, so it's a
now slightly-dated reference perhaps.)

And at one time (maybe before 9 summer/10 winter era you described?) KFYI ran
El Rushbo delayed year-round from noon-3.

 

[Legend City]

Tape sucks.

Not being on DST is cool.

Who moved the DST time schedule around? Amongst others, candy manufacturers, get the kiddies out trick or treating while its still light.


Daylight savings time is rubbish of course, time doesn't change does it? Its always the same 24 hours, but artificially moving the starting time back and forward by moving the time is a bit of a ruse.

Now, you want tough, try working just barely on the other side of the date line, only 3 hours off of Hawaii, but a full day ahead. Work week is Tuesday to Saturday to equal the folks on the mainland you work with.

Its a silly thing. We should go to the SNL Metric time, 2 100 hour days per week.

 

[ajhenderson]

55/FYI...this slam's for you.

Today's memorial service at VA Tech was, IIRC, supposed to begin
at 2 Eastern/11 Pacific, but the start was apparently delayed for
some amount of time.

In fact, I heard El Rushbo mentioning this and that his show would
pick up a live feed of the event when it started in a few minutes.

Unfortunately, I heard all of this during the early part of the noon hour,
where in real time the event had occurred in the previous hour. Did
KFYI break in to the previous hour with the coverage, then air it
again an hour later? (I was able to spot check various stations only
from 12:00-12:15 or so.)

Let's all give a big round of applause to the Dude Boss for his decision
(as did the Chick Boss previously) to run Rush and Hannity on a
one-hour delay during daylight-saving time. :

I'm sure KT'R had it all over 55/FYI on this one.

So what if it's on tape? So is Today, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. Do you opine about that travesty on the Phx TV board? And, God save us, those are on a THREE hour delay. The humanity!

 

[DrAkbar]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[KMGX]

55/FYI...this slam's for you.

Today's memorial service at VA Tech was, IIRC, supposed to begin
at 2 Eastern/11 Pacific, but the start was apparently delayed for
some amount of time.

In fact, I heard El Rushbo mentioning this and that his show would
pick up a live feed of the event when it started in a few minutes.

Unfortunately, I heard all of this during the early part of the noon hour,
where in real time the event had occurred in the previous hour. Did
KFYI break in to the previous hour with the coverage, then air it
again an hour later? (I was able to spot check various stations only
from 12:00-12:15 or so.)

Let's all give a big round of applause to the Dude Boss for his decision
(as did the Chick Boss previously) to run Rush and Hannity on a
one-hour delay during daylight-saving time. :

I'm sure KT'R had it all over 55/FYI on this one.

So what if it's on tape? So is Today, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. Do you opine about that travesty on the Phx TV board? And, God save us, those are on a THREE hour delay. The humanity!

There are a couple significant differences between the Today Show, Good Morning America, et al and Rush, Sean, Rome, and ESPN programming being on tape delay.

1) The Today Show/Good Morning America and such morning "news" programs feature material that is generally not time sensitive. Most of their pieces involve cooking, gardening, tips for around the house and a scattering of headlines with very little in-depth coverage, so that even on a three hour tape delay, the timeliness of the stories are usually irrelevant.

2) The morning TV "news" shows are not interactive with the audience (aside from those standing outside the studio with signs), whereas Rome, Rush, Sean, The Herd and Dan Patrick are shows that (at least in part) are partially predicated on interacting with the audience, sometimes even discussing timely news or topical elements. How can you have an interactive show when you're talking to a crowd that's one or more hours behind you?

Obviously the question is, does the tape delay phenomenon in the market really affect ratings? In the case of Rush, Sean and Rome, probably not. In the case of Colin Cowherd, maybe for the first hour--Bickley and MJ are live 9-10am, whereas Cowherd (who actually does take calls unlike most synidcated sports shows these days) is on tape delay. I maintain that it makes NO SENSE for sports 620 to have a four hour block of tape delay like that.

I've never been a fan of tape-delayed radio, I understand that sometimes it's a necessary evil, I get that you need voicetracks sometimes in music radio as well, but I'm a believer that for the most part, radio should be live.

 

[porfavor]

AMEN, brotha!!! Or...sistah!! Or whatever our disembodied cyber-genders are!
Maybe AMEN, hermaphrodite!
;D

 

[j henry waugh]

Rush listeners don't mind it a bit…

… of course, this is the same crowd, as study after study has illustrated and confirmed, that prefer an engineered reality over the actual truth…

 

[KMGX]

Rush listeners don't mind it a bit…

… of course, this is the same crowd, as study after study has illustrated and confirmed, that prefer an engineered reality over the actual truth…

This is a very predictable response from you. I don't mind your opposition to Rush, I certainly express some dislike for him and other shows, however your constant expression of political viewpoints where they are not 1) warranted or 2) solicited is really quite annoying at this point. You'd be better served taking your non-radio viewpoints to the "off the air" section of this forum.

 

[Legend City]

Rush listeners don't mind it a bit…

… of course, this is the same crowd, as study after study has illustrated and confirmed, that prefer an engineered reality over the actual truth…

Broken record....

 

[ajhenderson]

55/FYI...this slam's for you.

Today's memorial service at VA Tech was, IIRC, supposed to begin
at 2 Eastern/11 Pacific, but the start was apparently delayed for
some amount of time.

In fact, I heard El Rushbo mentioning this and that his show would
pick up a live feed of the event when it started in a few minutes.

Unfortunately, I heard all of this during the early part of the noon hour,
where in real time the event had occurred in the previous hour. Did
KFYI break in to the previous hour with the coverage, then air it
again an hour later? (I was able to spot check various stations only
from 12:00-12:15 or so.)

Let's all give a big round of applause to the Dude Boss for his decision
(as did the Chick Boss previously) to run Rush and Hannity on a
one-hour delay during daylight-saving time. :

I'm sure KT'R had it all over 55/FYI on this one.

So what if it's on tape? So is Today, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. Do you opine about that travesty on the Phx TV board? And, God save us, those are on a THREE hour delay. The humanity!

There are a couple significant differences between the Today Show, Good Morning America, et al and Rush, Sean, Rome, and ESPN programming being on tape delay.

1) The Today Show/Good Morning America and such morning "news" programs feature material that is generally not time sensitive. Most of their pieces involve cooking, gardening, tips for around the house and a scattering of headlines with very little in-depth coverage, so that even on a three hour tape delay, the timeliness of the stories are usually irrelevant.

2) The morning TV "news" shows are not interactive with the audience (aside from those standing outside the studio with signs), whereas Rome, Rush, Sean, The Herd and Dan Patrick are shows that (at least in part) are partially predicated on interacting with the audience, sometimes even discussing timely news or topical elements. How can you have an interactive show when you're talking to a crowd that's one or more hours behind you?

Obviously the question is, does the tape delay phenomenon in the market really affect ratings? In the case of Rush, Sean and Rome, probably not. In the case of Colin Cowherd, maybe for the first hour--Bickley and MJ are live 9-10am, whereas Cowherd (who actually does take calls unlike most synidcated sports shows these days) is on tape delay. I maintain that it makes NO SENSE for sports 620 to have a four hour block of tape delay like that.

I've never been a fan of tape-delayed radio, I understand that sometimes it's a necessary evil, I get that you need voicetracks sometimes in music radio as well, but I'm a believer that for the most part, radio should be live.

Well, this morning, all the morning shows were covering the V-Tech developments "live" from Blacksburg. There was a decent amount of time sensitive material.

As to Rush, since 99.9% of people hearing the show live can't get anything but a busy signal anyway, does it matter? KOA/Denver runs it on a two-hour delay, as does WHAM/Rochester. Both bigger numbers in their markets than KFYI.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

So what if it's on tape? So is Today, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. Do you opine about that travesty on the Phx TV board? And, God save us, those are on a THREE hour delay. The humanity!

Well I see the crowd is curious...but well behaved. ;D

During mornings when a huge story is developing the AM chat shows tend to go live
for the left coast and parts in between that are still in their 7-9 (or 7-10) slots.

I tend to rail more about the stupid cable company and their love affair with
left coast feeds in the winter (Pacific time plus one hour).

 

[formeraa]

So what if it's on tape? So is Today, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. Do you opine about that travesty on the Phx TV board? And, God save us, those are on a THREE hour delay. The humanity!

Well I see the crowd is curious...but well behaved. ;D

During mornings when a huge story is developing the AM chat shows tend to go live
for the left coast and parts in between that are still in their 7-9 (or 7-10) slots.

I tend to rail more about the stupid cable company and their love affair with
left coast feeds in the winter (Pacific time plus one hour).

Well, the Mountain Time zone is very lightly populated. I actually like the current situation during the summers because I would rather get an updated West Coast feed of the morning shows (when breaking news is happening). During the winter, we're stuck with 2 hour old news because nobody updates anything for the Mountain time zone.

 

[ajhenderson]

So what if it's on tape? So is Today, Good Morning America, and The Early Show. Do you opine about that travesty on the Phx TV board? And, God save us, those are on a THREE hour delay. The humanity!

Well I see the crowd is curious...but well behaved. ;D

During mornings when a huge story is developing the AM chat shows tend to go live
for the left coast and parts in between that are still in their 7-9 (or 7-10) slots.

Yes, but they did not, AFAIK, do that this past week (Tue-Fri) for the VT situation. Everything was "Live EDT"

 

[formeraa]

The Today Show updated their first hour everyday last week. Matt and Meredith opened with "It's 7am Pacific Time!". Then, the logo in the upper left stated, "Live PDT" for at least the first hour. Obviously, they do replay some of the earlier interviews, but many of the reporters were live "Pacific Time".

In the winter, you have the Mountain time zone issue (nothing is updated on the am shows).