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KGO Horse Race

I'm a big fan of Christine ... except she is always "correct" on everything, (even if you don't ask her.)

I like the thought of a woman on the air. Of late, I've come to like fire-breathing Pat Thurston. She, at least, questions a caller's credentials, where, often, Christine dismisses an opposite opinion or even those who agree with her.

I beg Jack Swanson, who apparently "likes" the "outrageousness" of Charles "Karel" Bouley to please come to grips and dismiss this fool.

It would be interesting, as a dark horse, to see Melanie Morgan bring her act to KGO. An interesting fit between Gene Burns and Ray Talliferro. She could handle it.

While I don't think that a talk show host needs to have callers who agree with them, I think that purposely dismissing callers puts the host in the unenviable position of not being "a listener" but, rather "I'm right ... you're wrong." I think it goes both ways. Set the tone, get your point out (on both sides) and don't condescend callers for not agreeing with you. Show them the errors of their ways then move on ... but be respectful.

Makes the "fireworks" (when they occur) really stand out and makes for great radio. Gene Burns is a master at it. When he gets into a tirade with a moron, you know it ... and the night lights up. Ray makes it sound like a "rant" -- as does Christine.

John Rothman is, truly, too good for that position. His show about Ward last night was one for the ages. The man "ached" for three solid hours, but was a professional and a touch of class. I think he'd go over the head of many five nights a week, which is why his weekend shows are so good.

But please, Karel needs to go back being a Britney-chasing paparazzi ... or a dog groomer. He also needs to get married for real and stop asking for man-dates on the air. Plus, he is so under-informed about most everything. He's not liberal, he just pretends to be, as he doesn't mind letting supposition get in the way of facts.
 
Now that I've had a day to think it over, your right Gil Gross is too good for the timeslot. Not to mention he is a great antidote to the Ronn Owens morning show, which is not to say there is anything wrong with Ronn's show.
 
oaktree said:
I'm a big fan of Christine ... except she is always "correct" on everything, (even if you don't ask her.)

I like the thought of a woman on the air. Of late, I've come to like fire-breathing Pat Thurston. She, at least, questions a caller's credentials, where, often, Christine dismisses an opposite opinion or even those who agree with her.

I beg Jack Swanson, who apparently "likes" the "outrageousness" of Charles "Karel" Bouley to please come to grips and dismiss this fool.

It would be interesting, as a dark horse, to see Melanie Morgan bring her act to KGO. An interesting fit between Gene Burns and Ray Talliferro. She could handle it.

While I don't think that a talk show host needs to have callers who agree with them, I think that purposely dismissing callers puts the host in the unenviable position of not being "a listener" but, rather "I'm right ... you're wrong." I think it goes both ways. Set the tone, get your point out (on both sides) and don't condescend callers for not agreeing with you. Show them the errors of their ways then move on ... but be respectful.

Makes the "fireworks" (when they occur) really stand out and makes for great radio. Gene Burns is a master at it. When he gets into a tirade with a moron, you know it ... and the night lights up. Ray makes it sound like a "rant" -- as does Christine.

John Rothman is, truly, too good for that position. His show about Ward last night was one for the ages. The man "ached" for three solid hours, but was a professional and a touch of class. I think he'd go over the head of many five nights a week, which is why his weekend shows are so good.

But please, Karel needs to go back being a Britney-chasing paparazzi ... or a dog groomer. He also needs to get married for real and stop asking for man-dates on the air. Plus, he is so under-informed about most everything. He's not liberal, he just pretends to be, as he doesn't mind letting supposition get in the way of facts.
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I wish I had an opinion here. I'm a lot more comfortable when I'm certain I'm right :)

But I haven't the foggiest idea what KGO ought to do. All I know, is that I barely listen to them any more. Burns and Karel are simply too uninformed about too much that they talk about. They don't entertain me -- they make me angry. Owens and Wattenburg are beneath comment. I really, really miss Bernie Ward's programs.

Maybe I am finally outgrowing news-talk. I hope not... all I know, is that I want to hear people who know more than I do, are funnier than I am, interview more interesting people than my friends are, and aren't shilling for a philosophy, a political party or religion, a company or a war. For the first time in my life, I am not hearing what I want to hear on KGO.

Karel is not my personal choice, but he has gotten better. I still love Christine every third night or so, when she discusses something that she 1) knows about, and 2) I'm interested in. I don't listen to Gene Burns because he is ill-informed, ineptly contrary, and assiduously fatuous. Rothman is simply not insightful enough to be a liberal -- he's a neoLiberal (look it up on Wikipedia), but he does nice "soft" shows and book interviews at 4:00 AM. I don't think he's much of an expert at anything he thinks he knows about. I don't listen to Ronn Owens because he is ... well, who he is. I'm sure he won't lose any sleep over it. This leaves very little of the KGO broadcast schedule that I'll waste my time with these days.

Here's the deal: This country is going through an economic, political and cultural revolution. It's affecting everything we thought we knew, including the broadcast industry . That's the only thing that matters to me -- or ought to matter to you, since we all live on the same planet. Radio is screwed if it doesn't keep up.

KGO isn't keeping up. Making 'happy-hands' gestures and hollering "GAY!"or "FEMALE!" really isn't keeping up. Nonetheless; Christine, you'll get my vote if you'll just spend a little more time on real political issues than you have recently (no; HRC doesn't count).

fan
 
Only one person will make the choice on the 10-1p shift.
It won't be the result of a vote either, it will come in the form of an order.
The person who gets that order will then execute it.
Everyone will have a problem with the order, of that I am sure.
But then, that's what a site like this is for...a chance for us all to complain and second guess the folks
who do this for a living.
BUT, BUT...We are the listeners! Don't our opinions count?
Uhhh...NO !
Because this is a business, so it will be a business decision based on what is best for KGO.
Sorry did you not get that?
Oh, I'm sorry.

We now join reality already in progress.
 
fandango said:
Maybe I am finally outgrowing news-talk. I hope not... all I know, is that I want to hear people who know more than I do, are funnier than I am, interview more interesting people than my friends are, and aren't shilling for a philosophy, a political party or religion, a company or a war. For the first time in my life, I am not hearing what I want to hear on KGO.
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Michael Krasny, KQED 99.5 and KQEI in Sacramento, weekdays 9-11am with repeat at night.
 
Production Boy said:
Only one person will make the choice on the 10-1p shift.
It won't be the result of a vote either, it will come in the form of an order.
The person who gets that order will then execute it.
Everyone will have a problem with the order, of that I am sure.
But then, that's what a site like this is for...a chance for us all to complain and second guess the folks
who do this for a living.
BUT, BUT...We are the listeners! Don't our opinions count?
Uhhh...NO !
Because this is a business, so it will be a business decision based on what is best for KGO.
Sorry did you not get that?
Oh, I'm sorry.

We now join reality already in progress.
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Of course no one has suggested the funniest choice and could probably hold his own against all of the other candidates--Production Boy Himself!!!!C'mon dude throw your hat in the ring!
 
fandango said:
John Rothman is, truly, too good for that position. His show about Ward last night was one for the ages. The man "ached" for three solid hours, but was a professional and a touch of class. I think he'd go over the head of many five nights a week, which is why his weekend shows are so good.
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I played back those hours (skipping quickly because I couldn't bear to hear 3 hours' worth) and Rothmann spent 3 hours sounding as if he had been called in to officiate at a eulogy of someone he didn't know, doing professional "aching" as you so aptly called it.

But please, Karel needs to go back being a Britney-chasing paparazzi ... or a dog groomer. He also needs to get married for real and stop asking for man-dates on the air. Plus, he is so under-informed about most everything.
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Karel is married to a woman (real tits and everything). I think he said that it has something to do with tax breaks or medical insurance or something.

This leaves very little of the KGO broadcast schedule that I'll waste my time with these days.
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For me KGO is ear chewing gum. It's on a radio and I punch it in once in awhile. The only daypart I listen to with any consistency is the noon to 3pm slot -- 45 minutes of Len, an hour of Dean, an hour of Gil. Then I go to 960 and hear an hour of Angie.
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DavidKaye said:
fandango said:
John Rothman is, truly, too good for that position. His show about Ward last night was one for the ages. The man "ached" for three solid hours, but was a professional and a touch of class. I think he'd go over the head of many five nights a week, which is why his weekend shows are so good.
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I played back those hours (skipping quickly because I couldn't bear to hear 3 hours' worth) and Rothmann spent 3 hours sounding as if he had been called in to officiate at a eulogy of someone he didn't know, doing professional "aching" as you so aptly called it.
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Rothman is the alan combs (sp) of local radio.

But please, Karel needs to go back being a Britney-chasing paparazzi ... or a dog groomer. He also needs to get married for real and stop asking for man-dates on the air. Plus, he is so under-informed about most everything.
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Karel is married to a woman (real tits and everything). I think he said that it has something to do with tax breaks or medical insurance or something.
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I hate to admit this, but this week with the Supreme Court decision to discuss, Karel is the last person I wanted to commune with on the radio. Flipping past the dial to listen to Rachel Maddow instead on a stream, I heard Karel crying. That was enough for me.
This leaves very little of the KGO broadcast schedule that I'll waste my time with these days.
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For me KGO is ear chewing gum. It's on a radio and I punch it in once in awhile. The only daypart I listen to with any consistency is the noon to 3pm slot -- 45 minutes of Len, an hour of Dean, an hour of Gil. Then I go to 960 and hear an hour of Angie.
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More and more, I find myself streaming stations that are scheduling the programs I want to hear, when I want to hear them. Google is almost more useful than my radio dial.

KGO thinks it's hip, but it is mostly missing the boat right now. I am pulling for them, but covering firefights as they happen is not covering the revolution.


fan
 
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHETHER RAY T. IS INTERESTED IN THE BERNIE SLOT?

NO ONE HAS MENTIONED HIM AS A POSSIBILITY.


JERRY GORDON

KNUU LAS VEGAS
 
Jerry: Anyone who listens to R T could tell you in a heartbeat that Ray would not be interested in the slot. He has said many times on his show that he loves doing it during those hours because he likes the extra hour. But if he did take that shift we could have two hours of Karel and two hours of Christine. But which one would get the first two hours? lol..
 
MAYBE RAY DOES ENJOY THE EXTRA HOUR ON THE OVERNIGHTS BUT WOULDN'T HAVING A MUCH BIGGER AUDIENCE FROM 10-1 BE WORTH THE SWITCH?

BEING A TRUE "LION OF THE LEFT" RAY WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THAT SLOT.


JERRY GORDON KNUU LAS VEGAS
 
I believe he would say that his audience is big enough already, but you never know. Ray may just be told that 10 to 1 "IS" his new timeslot.
 
JEREMIAH said:
BEING A TRUE "LION OF THE LEFT" RAY WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THAT SLOT.
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Ray was once on in that slot and got a 33 share. ABC officials were so impressed they flew out and held a party for him. Not long after that they expanded into the overnight (KGO was signing off at 1:00am in those days) and offered him the overnight slot.
 
KGO has run 24/7 back as far as I can remember (well, remember listening to them). Ira Blue did the overnights back in the early '70s, using "Rhapsody in Blue" as his bumper music.
 
Newsperson responds: "I can't believe that KGO ever signed off at 1:00 a.m. Production Boy, can you chime in on this?"

Production Boy responds: "KGO has run 24/7 back as far as I can remember (well, remember listening to them). Ira Blue did the overnights back in the early '70s, using "Rhapsody in Blue" as his bumper music."

I remember my mother listening to Ira Blue on KGO in the early 70s in the late evening (like 10:00PM), but not overnights.

But I think David's memory of a 1:00 AM sign off has to be off by a number of years. Ray took over the overnight show in 1984...or possibly a year or so later. Starting in 83, I ran a video business. Noah Griffin - Ray's predecessor on the overnight show - was one of our customers. He invited me and my business partners onto his show twice to talk about movies. It was when the KGO studios were still on Golden Gate Avenue. Before going on at 1:00 the first time, Noah introduced us to Bill Wattenburg, who was filling in for whoever the 10:00 to 1:00 host was in those days (Michael Krasny, perhaps).

I remember Noah coming into our store after KGO let him go. I believe he sued KGO/ABC for discrimination, but I don't remember the outcome.

I don't remember any highly rated major market radio stations that didn't run 24/7 from the 1960s on, though I do remember that some would shut down late Sunday night (Monday morning) for transmitter maintenance, or whatever.
 
weav said:
KGO has run 24/7 back as far as I can remember (well, remember listening to them). Ira Blue did the overnights back in the early '70s, using "Rhapsody in Blue" as his bumper music.
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Nope. KGO signed off at 1:00am until probably about 1974 or 76 or so. Ira Blue did 10:00pm to 1:00am, first from the Other Room at the Hungry i, then later from the studio. The reason I believe it was probably closer to 1976 was because I remember listening to the signoff from the Tenderloin apartment where I lived at the time.

KGO was the last fulltime station to sign off nightly as I recall.

A radio schedule from 1968 clearly shows Ira Blue at 10-1 and nothing for KGO later (though the midnight listing lists plenty of listings of other stations for 1am):
http://www.bayarearadio.org/schedules/schedule_oak-trib_1968-07-29.shtml
 
KGO TRIVIA.

WHEN I STARTED AT GENE AUTRY'S KSFO IN '78 I OFTEN LISTENED TO KGO OVERNIGHT. BOB TREBOR OR TREVOR WAS THE OLD STAFF ANNOUNCER ASSIGNED TO DO OVERNITES FOR A FEW NIGHTS A WEEK. AL COLLINS DID SOME NIGHTS. (JAZZ DJ ON KGO? GO FIGURE) NOAH CAME LATER.

WHEN I STARTED AT THE UNFABULOUS ABC BROADCAST CENTER ON GOLDEN GATE AVENUE I WAS IN TV BUT DID VISIT RADIO FROM TIME TO TIME. IT MAY BE HARD TO BELIEVE BUT THE REASON KGO DID THEIR STATION SPOTS LIVE..IS BECAUSE THE HAD NO PRODUCTION STUDIO. BEFORE I GOT THERE THEY HAD THE RADIO STUDIO IN A WINDOW ON GG AVE. THAT LASTED UNTIL SOMEONE SHOT A GUN THRU THE GLASS....IT HIT AND KILLED AN AE. THEY VERY QUICKLY BRICKED UP THE WINDOW AFTER THAT.

WHEN WE MOVED IN '84 TO 900 FRONT ST. IT WAS LIKE GOING FROM HELL TO PARADISE, FOR BOTH RADIO AND TV. NOT ONLY DID RADIO NOW HAVE A PRODUCTION STUDIO...THEY HAD SEVERAL.
EVEN THE NEWS DEPT. HAD TWO PRODUCTION STUDIOS OF IT'S OWN. I EVENTUALLY DID A LOT FOR RADIO...I BELIEVE THERE WERE AT LEAST FIVE STUDIOS...THERE WERE TWO BIG ONES FOR THE TALK SHOWS....A GREAT SET UP. THAT WAS BEFORE KSFO MOVED IN. I DON'T IMAGINE THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF SPACE EVEN WITH KSFO THERE.

RUSS COUGLAN (ONE OF THE WORLD'S GREATEST PEOPLE) ARRANGED FOR THE MOVE TO 900 FRONT (HE HAD LOT OF POWER AT ABC) ABOUT A YEAR LATER ABC SOLD OUT TO CAP CITIES (WHO LATER SOLD TO DISNEY.) CAP CITIES WAS A VERY FRUGAL OUTFIT..IF THEY HAD BOUGHT ABC BEFORE THE MOVE TO FRONT ST.
WE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED TO ROT ON GOLDEN GATE AVE.

JERRY GORDON KNUU LAS VEGAS

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"BOB TREBOR OR TREVOR..."

Trebor - Robert Robert - his name was a pallindrome. He later worked for KGO radio news - up until perhaps the mid or late 80s, when he retired.

I wasn't suggesting that Noah Griffin was the first all night host on KGO - just pointing out that Ray wasn't the first.

I haven't been in too many radio studios, so I didn't have much to compare it to - but the Golden Gate facility did seem like kind of a dump...I was a little disappointed to see the somewhat decrepit facility for the great and powerful KGO.
 
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