With KGVY having doubled their 12+ numbers over the last few books (and 580 falling), I'm pondering what the road block would be to getting full-time status. The center of the dial is usually less crowded, with KNX being the only affecting station on a first adjacent channel. I'm not aware of any other 1080s or any 1090s. Perhaps if they could get such authorization, they could fill another format hole since I can only wonder how long three standards stations will last. After KTUC, which makes more money?
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KGVY daytime status
- Thread starter ajhenderson
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caveman97
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> With KGVY having doubled their 12+ numbers over the last few
> books (and 580 falling), I'm pondering what the road block
> would be to getting full-time status. The center of the dial
> is usually less crowded, with KNX being the only affecting
> station on a first adjacent channel. I'm not aware of any
> other 1080s or any 1090s. Perhaps if they could get such
> authorization, they could fill another format hole since I
> can only wonder how long three standards stations will last.
> After KTUC, which makes more money?
>
Ratings have nothing to do with granting technical upgrades. KRLD in Dallas is on 1080 with 50,000 watts and a lobe toward Tucson. KRLD and KGVY would interfere with each other. Of course, these days the FCC doesn't mind interference as much as they used to.
> books (and 580 falling), I'm pondering what the road block
> would be to getting full-time status. The center of the dial
> is usually less crowded, with KNX being the only affecting
> station on a first adjacent channel. I'm not aware of any
> other 1080s or any 1090s. Perhaps if they could get such
> authorization, they could fill another format hole since I
> can only wonder how long three standards stations will last.
> After KTUC, which makes more money?
>
Ratings have nothing to do with granting technical upgrades. KRLD in Dallas is on 1080 with 50,000 watts and a lobe toward Tucson. KRLD and KGVY would interfere with each other. Of course, these days the FCC doesn't mind interference as much as they used to.
> Ratings have nothing to do with granting technical upgrades.
I know, but it might actually be worth the effort now.
Even 20watts... its more than KVOI has.
I know, but it might actually be worth the effort now.
Even 20watts... its more than KVOI has.
> > With KGVY having doubled their 12+ numbers over the last
> few
> > books (and 580 falling), I'm pondering what the road block
>
> > would be to getting full-time status. The center of the
> dial
> > is usually less crowded, with KNX being the only affecting
>
> > station on a first adjacent channel. I'm not aware of any
> > other 1080s or any 1090s. Perhaps if they could get such
> > authorization, they could fill another format hole since I
>
> > can only wonder how long three standards stations will
> last.
> > After KTUC, which makes more money?
> >
> Ratings have nothing to do with granting technical upgrades.
> KRLD in Dallas is on 1080 with 50,000 watts and a lobe
> toward Tucson. KRLD and KGVY would interfere with each
> other. Of course, these days the FCC doesn't mind
> interference as much as they used to.
Yes, KRLD does put a fairly good signal into Green Valley on most nights.
I think KRLD would be more of an issue than KNX.
> few
> > books (and 580 falling), I'm pondering what the road block
>
> > would be to getting full-time status. The center of the
> dial
> > is usually less crowded, with KNX being the only affecting
>
> > station on a first adjacent channel. I'm not aware of any
> > other 1080s or any 1090s. Perhaps if they could get such
> > authorization, they could fill another format hole since I
>
> > can only wonder how long three standards stations will
> last.
> > After KTUC, which makes more money?
> >
> Ratings have nothing to do with granting technical upgrades.
> KRLD in Dallas is on 1080 with 50,000 watts and a lobe
> toward Tucson. KRLD and KGVY would interfere with each
> other. Of course, these days the FCC doesn't mind
> interference as much as they used to.
Yes, KRLD does put a fairly good signal into Green Valley on most nights.
I think KRLD would be more of an issue than KNX.
Re: KGVY daytime status / Jolt signal
> If that's the case then why can't the Jolt get a better (and
> not unidirectional) nighttime signal. I think the northwest
> side of town is completely shut out after dark.
>
The Jolt's signal is more like a 500 watter than a 2kw/5kw signal. And the co-channel interference during sunrise/sunset drive times is horrendous in the fringe (Oro Valley/Green Valley) areas of Pima County. Even worse is the fact that the daytime coverage does not complement the nightime coverage in growing population centers. For example, KJLL is essentially a day time operation in the Oro Valley and a night time operation in Green Valley/Sahuarita area. This kills them during sunrise/sunset drive times for listeners in these areas.
About a week ago I was up at Summerhaven at sunset and was shocked that the Jolt's signal was totally oblitered on a good car radio by co-channel interference. Their towers are just down the mountain from there - can't be more than 20 miles as the crow flies!
> If that's the case then why can't the Jolt get a better (and
> not unidirectional) nighttime signal. I think the northwest
> side of town is completely shut out after dark.
>
The Jolt's signal is more like a 500 watter than a 2kw/5kw signal. And the co-channel interference during sunrise/sunset drive times is horrendous in the fringe (Oro Valley/Green Valley) areas of Pima County. Even worse is the fact that the daytime coverage does not complement the nightime coverage in growing population centers. For example, KJLL is essentially a day time operation in the Oro Valley and a night time operation in Green Valley/Sahuarita area. This kills them during sunrise/sunset drive times for listeners in these areas.
About a week ago I was up at Summerhaven at sunset and was shocked that the Jolt's signal was totally oblitered on a good car radio by co-channel interference. Their towers are just down the mountain from there - can't be more than 20 miles as the crow flies!
Re: KGVY daytime status / Jolt signal
> > If that's the case then why can't the Jolt get a better
> (and
> > not unidirectional) nighttime signal. I think the
> northwest
> > side of town is completely shut out after dark.
> >
> The Jolt's signal is more like a 500 watter than a 2kw/5kw
> signal. And the co-channel interference during
> sunrise/sunset drive times is horrendous in the fringe (Oro
> Valley/Green Valley) areas of Pima County. Even worse is the
> fact that the daytime coverage does not complement the
> nightime coverage in growing population centers. For
> example, KJLL is essentially a day time operation in the Oro
> Valley and a night time operation in Green Valley/Sahuarita
> area. This kills them during sunrise/sunset drive times for
> listeners in these areas.
>
> About a week ago I was up at Summerhaven at sunset and was
> shocked that the Jolt's signal was totally oblitered on a
> good car radio by co-channel interference. Their towers are
> just down the mountain from there - can't be more than 20
> miles as the crow flies!
They might as well apply for a 1kW ND pattern and move their tower site. That present location is so godawful and will get them in trouble eventually. Besides, the right side 1st adjacent is a Class C anyway.
> > If that's the case then why can't the Jolt get a better
> (and
> > not unidirectional) nighttime signal. I think the
> northwest
> > side of town is completely shut out after dark.
> >
> The Jolt's signal is more like a 500 watter than a 2kw/5kw
> signal. And the co-channel interference during
> sunrise/sunset drive times is horrendous in the fringe (Oro
> Valley/Green Valley) areas of Pima County. Even worse is the
> fact that the daytime coverage does not complement the
> nightime coverage in growing population centers. For
> example, KJLL is essentially a day time operation in the Oro
> Valley and a night time operation in Green Valley/Sahuarita
> area. This kills them during sunrise/sunset drive times for
> listeners in these areas.
>
> About a week ago I was up at Summerhaven at sunset and was
> shocked that the Jolt's signal was totally oblitered on a
> good car radio by co-channel interference. Their towers are
> just down the mountain from there - can't be more than 20
> miles as the crow flies!
They might as well apply for a 1kW ND pattern and move their tower site. That present location is so godawful and will get them in trouble eventually. Besides, the right side 1st adjacent is a Class C anyway.
Re: KGVY daytime status / Jolt signal
> > > If that's the case then why can't the Jolt get a better
> > (and
> > > not unidirectional) nighttime signal. I think the
> > northwest
> > > side of town is completely shut out after dark.
> > >
> > The Jolt's signal is more like a 500 watter than a 2kw/5kw
>
> > signal. And the co-channel interference during
> > sunrise/sunset drive times is horrendous in the fringe
> (Oro
> > Valley/Green Valley) areas of Pima County. Even worse is
> the
> > fact that the daytime coverage does not complement the
> > nightime coverage in growing population centers. For
> > example, KJLL is essentially a day time operation in the
> Oro
> > Valley and a night time operation in Green
> Valley/Sahuarita
> > area. This kills them during sunrise/sunset drive times
> for
> > listeners in these areas.
> >
> > About a week ago I was up at Summerhaven at sunset and was
>
> > shocked that the Jolt's signal was totally oblitered on a
> > good car radio by co-channel interference. Their towers
> are
> > just down the mountain from there - can't be more than 20
> > miles as the crow flies!
>
> They might as well apply for a 1kW ND pattern and move their
> tower site. That present location is so godawful and will
> get them in trouble eventually. Besides, the right side 1st
> adjacent is a Class C anyway.
>
1290 KCUB (1kw ND) has a better signal than the Jolt. I've often compared them in various locations around Pima County.
> > > If that's the case then why can't the Jolt get a better
> > (and
> > > not unidirectional) nighttime signal. I think the
> > northwest
> > > side of town is completely shut out after dark.
> > >
> > The Jolt's signal is more like a 500 watter than a 2kw/5kw
>
> > signal. And the co-channel interference during
> > sunrise/sunset drive times is horrendous in the fringe
> (Oro
> > Valley/Green Valley) areas of Pima County. Even worse is
> the
> > fact that the daytime coverage does not complement the
> > nightime coverage in growing population centers. For
> > example, KJLL is essentially a day time operation in the
> Oro
> > Valley and a night time operation in Green
> Valley/Sahuarita
> > area. This kills them during sunrise/sunset drive times
> for
> > listeners in these areas.
> >
> > About a week ago I was up at Summerhaven at sunset and was
>
> > shocked that the Jolt's signal was totally oblitered on a
> > good car radio by co-channel interference. Their towers
> are
> > just down the mountain from there - can't be more than 20
> > miles as the crow flies!
>
> They might as well apply for a 1kW ND pattern and move their
> tower site. That present location is so godawful and will
> get them in trouble eventually. Besides, the right side 1st
> adjacent is a Class C anyway.
>
1290 KCUB (1kw ND) has a better signal than the Jolt. I've often compared them in various locations around Pima County.
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caveman97
Guest
Maybe KGVY or KJLL might want to apply for permission to move up to the expanded band (above 1600). It was created precisely to help stations with poor signals. You get 10,000 watts day and 1,000 at night. No station in Arizona is presently using the expanded band though some applications were filed years ago.
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