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KHJ-TV's "Thames On 9" Stunt, 1978: Program Schedule, Anyone?

I've always been fascinated by WOR-TV in New York's week-long stunt from 1976, where all programming, continuity and commercials, were put together by what was at that time London's independent broadcaster, Thames Television. I've collected up a schedule grid here:

http://www.exit109.com/~hubcity/thames/schedulegrid.htm

Their then-sister station in LA, KHJ-TV, did a similar stunt a little less than two years later (June 11-15, 1978). Does anyone have a line on what the schedule of that block might have been?
 
hubcity said:
I've always been fascinated by WOR-TV in New York's week-long stunt from 1976, where all programming, continuity and commercials, were put together by what was at that time London's independent broadcaster, Thames Television.
...Thames was never an "independent broadcaster," it was (along with co-channel London Weekend Television) affiliated with the British ITV network...
 
hubcity said:
I've always been fascinated by WOR-TV in New York's week-long stunt from 1976, where all programming, continuity and commercials, were put together by what was at that time London's independent broadcaster, Thames Television. I've collected up a schedule grid here:

http://www.exit109.com/~hubcity/thames/schedulegrid.htm

Their then-sister station in LA, KHJ-TV, did a similar stunt a little less than two years later (June 11-15, 1978). Does anyone have a line on what the schedule of that block might have been?

I do not recall the exact schedule, but I do recall the first night of the Thames programming, the death of John Wayne covered as "breaking news" of the first LA version of "News at Ten"
 
Ultimajock said:
hubcity said:
I've always been fascinated by WOR-TV in New York's week-long stunt from 1976, where all programming, continuity and commercials, were put together by what was at that time London's independent broadcaster, Thames Television.
...Thames was never an "independent broadcaster," it was (along with co-channel London Weekend Television) affiliated with the British ITV network...

Well, it's a different connotation when you say "independent broadcaster" in reference to a British broadcaster - it means "not the BBC". That's what the "I" in "ITV" stands for...
 
ercjncpr said:
hubcity said:
I've always been fascinated by WOR-TV in New York's week-long stunt from 1976, where all programming, continuity and commercials, were put together by what was at that time London's independent broadcaster, Thames Television. I've collected up a schedule grid here:

http://www.exit109.com/~hubcity/thames/schedulegrid.htm

Their then-sister station in LA, KHJ-TV, did a similar stunt a little less than two years later (June 11-15, 1978). Does anyone have a line on what the schedule of that block might have been?

I do not recall the exact schedule, but I do recall the first night of the Thames programming, the death of John Wayne covered as "breaking news" of the first LA version of "News at Ten"

Well, that's a big difference right there - WOR-TV didn't mount a New York version of "News At Ten". Instead, they did a transatlantic interview show at 6pm featuring Thames' Eamonn Andrews in London, and Dick Cavett in NYC, called (unimaginatively) "New York/London".
 
hubcity said:
Well, it's a different connotation when you say "independent broadcaster" in reference to a British broadcaster - it means "not the BBC". That's what the "I" in "ITV" stands for...

Adding to that, without taking too much away from this being a Los Angeles thread:

The British ITV Network back then was actually a network of independent broadcasters each producing programming that could be consumed by the other broadcasters. Thames, for instance, produced shows like "The Benny Hill Show", "Rock Follies" and "Man About The House" (the UK precursor to the US "Three's Company") for its own region and for sale to other regions; other regional broadcasters would also produce shows and sell them to the other regional broadcasters. For instance, ATV, the regional broadcaster for the Midlands, produced "The Prisoner" and partnered with US CBS stations - not the CBS network, mind you - to produce "The Muppet Show"; Granada, the regional broadcaster for the North (Manchester/Liverpool) did "Coronation Street" and "Brideshead Revisited", etc.

Thames stepped away from the herd a bit by putting together such an extravagant US showcase for its in-house productions, to the point where they could be considered a broadcaster - for a short term, anyway - in New York and, two years later, in Los Angeles. (They also wound up losing their regional franchise in 1992, and reverted to being a program producer rather than a producer/broadcaster.)

Ultimately, though, most of the ITV regional broadcasters merged (Granada being the one that ultimately had controlling interest, in the process changing its name to "ITV plc") and the ITV of today is pretty much a single network, though some regional broadcasters still exist.
 
independent adjective

Definition
• not influenced or controlled in any way by other people, events or things

Source: Cambridge English Dictionary

...thus, claiming "not part of the BBC" as qualifying ITV to be made up of "independent" stations is as silly as claiming CBS affiliates are "independent" because they're not NBC or ABC affiliates. If it is part of a network, it is not independent. Period, paragraph, end of bloody story.
 
That was in 1979. Two British guys did the news and the first night the lead story was the death of John Wayne. They also had Morecambe and Wise and a cool show called Danger UXB. Movies shown on KHJ were English-made ones throughout the week.

Censorship is a little different across the Atlantic and on one show I believe it was the first time I had ever heard the phrase 'p---ed off' uncensored.
 
Ultimajock said:
independent adjective

Definition
• not influenced or controlled in any way by other people, events or things

Source: Cambridge English Dictionary

...thus, claiming "not part of the BBC" as qualifying ITV to be made up of "independent" stations is as silly as claiming CBS affiliates are "independent" because they're not NBC or ABC affiliates. If it is part of a network, it is not independent. Period, paragraph, end of bloody story.

Your assertion doesn't hold water for for ITV, apparently, since the I in ITV *stands* for Independent.

I think that anyone familiar with the history of broadcasting in England would dispute your statement, at least up until the recent time where most of the owners of the ITV franchises merged. Back then, there was no organizational chart that had an ITV "CEO". *Now*, ITV plc is a network (mostly - some regions, like Scotland and Northern Ireland, are still independent of the merged company that now calls itself ITV plc) but back then ITV was an umbrella term for the regional companies and their production arms. Money changed hands between them when programming passed from one to the other. Not intercorporate funny-money; actual cash. There's an account of the sorts of things Lew Grade (CEO of ATV, the ITV franchisee for London's weekends and the Midlands' weekdays from 1955-1968) would pull to try and get more of that money to flow in his direction here:

http://www.transdiffusion.org/emc/tvheroes/howardthomas/howard7.php

By the way, there's a lot of other interesting history at transdiffusion.org. You should read it.

Since we're looking things up, let's look at the Wikiepdia entry for ITV:

"ITV is a public service network of British commercial television broadcasters, set up under the Independent Television Authority (ITA) to provide competition to the BBC."

It was, at the time, a mandate that each of the regions be run as separate businesses, independent from each other, independent from the BBC, and pretty much from anything else, mostly because the UK looked at commercial television in the US and decided they didn't want it to work that way. The individual regional franchisees paid into each other's produced programming based on their share of the expected viewership. It's like KNBC in Los Angeles being owned by a different company than WNBC in New York, and asking WNBC to cough up 10% of the cost of producing The Tonight Show in cash based on the fact that 10% of the show's audience watched over WNBC. (In this scenario, rather than the NBC Peacock, you'd see a logo for KNBC Los Angeles at the beginning of the show.)

ITV was not a network in the sense that we regard ABC, CBS and NBC as one; the relationship between each of the regional franchise owners was as buyers and sellers of content, and the only organizational connection each of the regional broadcasters had with each other was through the ITA, which was an authority created for the purpose of (again, quoting Wikipedia) "determining the location, constructing, building, and operating the transmission stations used by the ITV network, as well as determining the franchise areas and awarding the franchises for each regional commercial broadcaster." In other words, the UK created in the ITA a sort of ITV-focused FCC for the purpose of handling commercial television.

Some things they did were very different indeed. For instance, London was thought too important a region to hand to one broadcaster, so they split it into a weekday franchise and a weekend franchise, and had separate companies run each. Imagine watching a station on a Friday afternoon, noticing a curious absence of promos for the weekend's shows (or even that evening's) and when 5:15pm rolled around, seeing them say farewell and actually end their broadcast day - at which point your screen would twitch as a technician at the transmitter unplugged their feed and plugged in the feed for the weekend franchisee, who then welcomed you to *their* broadcast day and began promoting the weekend's offerings. That's what happened every Friday afternoon as the viewers of Thames Television suddenly became viewers of London Weekend Television, the other independent franchisee for London. You can see video of the changeover here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxva6S6OLEg&NR=1

There was even a separate national franchisee for morning television supplied to all the regions. (More than one, actually; the first one went broke trying.)

So while there was some attempt to brand themselves in a unified way as "ITV", it was more the way a trade association tries to present a unified face to an audience - rather than the solid branding of a network, they'd unify behind a joint marketing campaign, the way that a multitude of local milk providers in the US united behind the catchphrase "Got milk?".

However, and this is another difference between US and UK broadcasters, the ITV regional franchise holders did run more than one signal, because they were required to cover all of their franchise area. Here in the US, a broadcaster to a specific city of license might have a primary antenna and a repeater or two, and its up to the TV set owners to acquire (or contract with) some sort of antenna to receive it with. In the UK, if you were awarded the franchise for the London region, you managed signals that, together, blanketed the entire region - and if a viewer couldn't receive your signal and complained, it was up to you to install a repeater so that they could. So each regional broadcaster could be considered a "network" of sorts, since they run more than one full-strength signal, and a multitude of small ones.

Ultimately, however, whether you regard them as independent or not, that's what they called themselves: "Independent Television". If you want to berate me about that, you're berating the wrong guy.
 
Dave Andrews said:
That was in 1979. Two British guys did the news and the first night the lead story was the death of John Wayne. They also had Morecambe and Wise and a cool show called Danger UXB. Movies shown on KHJ were English-made ones throughout the week.

Censorship is a little different across the Atlantic and on one show I believe it was the first time I had ever heard the phrase 'p---ed off' uncensored.

New York's Channel 9 added Morecambe & Wise around then as well. I seem to remember Danger UXB (excellent series, I agree) airing on Masterpiece Theatre, and the Wikipedia article on it agrees - though given that it was a Thames production, it's entirely possible it aired first during Thames' KHJ showcase.
 
I have a LA TV Guide from June 1979 that lists the whole "Thames on 9" event...
appears to be all London TV for a week...7p - 1am.
 
the TV Guide has this ad for Monday June 11, 1979:

LONDON'S HERE ALL THIS WEEK ON KHJ-TV
TONIGHT
7:00 Chalk and Cheese ("ones a snob: the other;s a slob)
7:30 Robin's Nest (spin-off of Three's Company)
8:00 Hollywood: The Silent Years (tonight - pioneer stuntmen)
9:00 Danger UXB (unexploded bomb - WWII)
10:00 Ten O'Clock News (news of SoCal - British style)
10:30 Out! (after spending 8 years in prison...)
11:30 The Sweeney (London's top crime busters)
12:30 MIckey Duff: Matchmaker (the world of big time boxing)
 
romer979fm said:
7:00 Chalk and Cheese ("ones a snob: the other;s a slob)

Apparently Thames' version of "The Odd Couple".

romer979fm said:
7:30 Robin's Nest (spin-off of Three's Company)

Actually, it was a spinoff of "Man About the House", the series that inspired "Three's Company". "Robin's Nest" would later inspire Three's Company's less-successful followup, "Three's a Crowd".

romer979fm said:
9:00 Danger UXB (unexploded bomb - WWII)
11:30 The Sweeney (London's top crime busters)

Two series that would later be fixtures on "Masterpiece Theatre".

romer979fm said:
10:00 Ten O'Clock News (news of SoCal - British style)

As Thames had nothing to do with the original "News at Ten" (it was ITN's doing), who produced KHJ's 10PM news that week -- Thames, ITN, and/or KHJ?
 
azumanga said:
romer979fm said:
10:00 Ten O'Clock News (news of SoCal - British style)

As Thames had nothing to do with the original "News at Ten" (it was ITN's doing), who produced KHJ's 10PM news that week -- Thames, ITN, and/or KHJ?

Turns out KTLA's newscast at the time was called "News At Ten", so I'd be surprised if Thames or ITN had changed sets to identify as "Ten O'Clock News". On the other hand, I could see ITN's newsreaders being given a working vacation in sunny L.A. for promotional purposes. Now I'd really like to see an aircheck of it, if only to see how they define "British style".

romer979fm: Got any further info? Perhaps to post to the Classic TV board as a set of retro schedules?
 
hubcity said:
azumanga said:
romer979fm said:
10:00 Ten O'Clock News (news of SoCal - British style)

As Thames had nothing to do with the original "News at Ten" (it was ITN's doing), who produced KHJ's 10PM news that week -- Thames, ITN, and/or KHJ?

Turns out KTLA's newscast at the time was called "News At Ten", so I'd be surprised if Thames or ITN had changed sets to identify as "Ten O'Clock News". On the other hand, I could see ITN's newsreaders being given a working vacation in sunny L.A. for promotional purposes. Now I'd really like to see an aircheck of it, if only to see how they define "British style".

romer979fm: Got any further info? Perhaps to post to the Classic TV board as a set of retro schedules?

As I recall, it was KHJ-TV news as usual with borrowed ITN newsreaders
 
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