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kiis fm is out

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is anyone else having a problem listening to kiis on fm dial
 
It came back around 12:40pm or so. Listening online didn't have any problem.

> is anyone else having a problem listening to kiis on fm dial
>
 
> It came back around 12:40pm or so. Listening online didn't
> have any problem.
>
> > is anyone else having a problem listening to kiis on fm
> dial

For future reference, please do not waste database space with temporary signal outage reports involving a single station.

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> > It came back around 12:40pm or so. Listening online
> didn't
> > have any problem.
> >
> > > is anyone else having a problem listening to kiis on fm
> > dial
>
> For future reference, please do not waste database space
> with temporary signal outage reports involving a single
> station.
>
Calm down moderator Richards, this board is usually dead. I don't consider talking about a temporary signal outage a 'waste of database space'. I mean your response could also be considered a waste of server space as well.
 
> > It came back around 12:40pm or so. Listening online
> didn't
> > have any problem.
> >
> > > is anyone else having a problem listening to kiis on fm
> > dial
>
> For future reference, please do not waste database space
> with temporary signal outage reports involving a single
> station.
>
Sorry for that
 
How was he to know how temporary the outage was? What are the Radio-Info Rules & Regulations on the length of time before a "temporary" outage becomes an item worthy of posting? I missed that clause.

KIIS is one of the highest billing properties in the country (a cultural beacon of the highly-respected Clear Channel Communications [CCU)]!) so it's reasonable to believe that the facility can avoid any downtime in the middle of the day. No rain, or rain.

So as to avoid wasting valuable database bits and bytes, let's turn this topic into one that may be considered worthy: have any area signals been affected adversely by the wacky weather?
 
> How was he to know how temporary the outage was? What are
> the Radio-Info Rules & Regulations on the length of time
> before a "temporary" outage becomes an item worthy of
> posting? I missed that clause.

I'll remind you of your defense of that trivial post the next time you complain about the board slowing down.

> KIIS is one of the highest billing properties in the country
> (a cultural beacon of the highly-respected Clear Channel
> Communications [CCU)]!) so it's reasonable to believe that
> the facility can avoid any downtime in the middle of the
> day. No rain, or rain.

Well, now that you have all made this thread an even bigger waste of space, here's what got me ticked off.

KIIS came back on the air four minutes after jasonharper2006 posted.

So, my presumption is that CC did have backup facilities and they kicked in while the original poster was making his panicky post.<P ID="signature">______________


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> > How was he to know how temporary the outage was? What are
> > the Radio-Info Rules & Regulations on the length of time
> > before a "temporary" outage becomes an item worthy of
> > posting? I missed that clause.
>
> I'll remind you of your defense of that trivial post the
> next time you complain about the board slowing down.
>
> > KIIS is one of the highest billing properties in the
> country
> > (a cultural beacon of the highly-respected Clear Channel
> > Communications [CCU)]!) so it's reasonable to believe that
>
> > the facility can avoid any downtime in the middle of the
> > day. No rain, or rain.
>
> Well, now that you have all made this thread an even bigger
> waste of space, here's what got me ticked off.
>
> KIIS came back on the air four minutes after jasonharper2006
> posted.
>
> So, my presumption is that CC did have backup facilities and
> they kicked in while the original poster was making his
> panicky post.
>
Well at least jasonharper2006 apologized to you KM. Of course, not everyone who contributes to this board is in radio. Some are just fans and don't quite understand how all the magic works, or in this case, didn't work.
It's got to be a given that CC stations, as well as CBS and the other major players have back up systems. But even they can break down, so who knew they'd be back 4 minutes after the post. He certainly didn't. What's troubling is that stations are off for so long now days. There was a time when most PD's and station managers insisted on no more than 7 seconds of dead air before the back up x-mitter or antenna was back on.
 
And when was this time?

> There was a time when most PD's and station managers insisted on no more than
> 7 seconds of dead air before the back up x-mitter or antenna was back on.

The P.D., and or the Station Manager can jump up and down, or hold their breath until they turn Blue if they choose to. If there's a problem, the Engineer is usually the one who fixes it, and sometimes it can take more than 7 seconds to ring his extension. Surely you must be thinking about the 7 second tape delay?

KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is responsible for 5 Stations. How times have changed~
 
More professionalism

> KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is
> responsible for 5 Stations. How times have changed~
>
Apparently transmission failures are not of interest anymore. When I worked in radio, they meant a lot.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 01/03/06 05:36 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: And when was this time?

>
> KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is
> responsible for 5 Stations. How times have changed~
>

I don´t know if it is that bad in the big markets. Where I am, there are 5 engineers, an MIT person for general systems and one only for digital systems like Audio Vault and such, and two on call engineers for sepcial projects or emergencies.
 
The times are a changing...

I was pretty much referring to the fact that each Station used to have their own Chief Engineer, and now the Chief is responsible for 5 to 10 Sticks. Of course there is a Corporate Engineer, Assistant Engineers, and IT personnel as well. My ex boss Mike Callaghan mentioned this to me in 99, when I told him about my new ex OCB gig! And I'm almost sure not all of them are covered under the old IBEW contracts, if at all?.


> >
> > KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is
> > responsible for 5 Stations. How times have changed~
> >
>
> I don´t know if it is that bad in the big markets. Where I
> am, there are 5 engineers, an MIT person for general systems
> and one only for digital systems like Audio Vault and such,
> and two on call engineers for sepcial projects or
> emergencies.
>
 
Re: More professionalism

Wow, what a different reply than my auto email. How's KABC Hans :)

> > KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is
> > responsible for 5 Stations. How times have changed~
> >
> Apparently transmission failures are not of interest
> anymore. When I worked in radio, they meant a lot.
 
Re: The times are a changing...

I'm guess there was nobody on duty today as the most offices were barren of living people today.



> I was pretty much referring to the fact that each Station
> used to have their own Chief Engineer, and now the Chief is
> responsible for 5 to 10 Sticks. Of course there is a
> Corporate Engineer, Assistant Engineers, and IT personnel as
> well. My ex boss Mike Callaghan mentioned this to me in 99,
> when I told him about my new ex OCB gig! And I'm almost sure
> not all of them are covered under the old IBEW contracts, if
> at all?.
>
>
> > >
> > > KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is
> > > responsible for 5 Stations. How times have changed~
> > >
> >
> > I don´t know if it is that bad in the big markets. Where I
>
> > am, there are 5 engineers, an MIT person for general
> systems
> > and one only for digital systems like Audio Vault and
> such,
> > and two on call engineers for sepcial projects or
> > emergencies.
> >
>
 
Re: More professionalism

>> There was a time when most PD's and station managers insisted on no more
>> than 7 seconds of dead air before the back up x-mitter or antenna was back
>> on.

> The P.D., and or the Station Manager can jump up and down, or hold their
> breath until they turn blue if they choose to. If there's a problem, the
> Engineer is usually the one who fixes it, and sometimes it can take more
> than 7 seconds to ring his extension. Surely you must be thinking about
> the 7 second tape delay?

> KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is responsible for 5
> Stations. How times have changed~


Yes the engineer is the one who usually fixes it. But they aren't usually around on weekends and holidays.

And you're right, times have changed. In the old days you didn't have to jump up & down or hold your breath. If it was a problem, they found a new chief operator. That was before sales called all of the shots. There have always been problems that kept stations off the air for long periods, but I can recall a time(and I'm not that old)when stations had back up systems that 90% of the time got you back on the air quickly. In the early 80's an engineer at KFI told me that they were never going to be off air for more than 7 or 8 seconds in the event of a power failure or main x-mitter failure. Course times were different. As I recall they had people running the boards(ops or jocks)who knew the equipment and systems backwards and forwards. There seems to be very little training for them anymore...
 
Re: More professionalism

>
> And you're right, times have changed. In the old days you
> didn't have to jump up & down or hold your breath. If it
> was a problem, they found a new chief operator. That was
> before sales called all of the shots. There have always
> been problems that kept stations off the air for long
> periods, but I can recall a time(and I'm not that old)when
> stations had back up systems that 90% of the time got you
> back on the air quickly. In the early 80's an engineer at
> KFI told me that they were never going to be off air for
> more than 7 or 8 seconds in the event of a power failure or
> main x-mitter failure. Course times were different. As I
> recall they had people running the boards(ops or jocks)who
> knew the equipment and systems backwards and forwards.
> There seems to be very little training for them anymore...

That is because the systems are automatic. I'll give an example: KLVE has three transmitters in two separate buildings, feeding three antennas on two different towers, and powerd by a generator, solar panels and two different utility feeds.

Generally, transfers caused by failure are automatic, and they cause a page or alert to be sent to all the engineers, who will decide based on time, weather and road conditions how and when to get to the site.

Similarly, in the studios, a catastropic failure in one is solved by moving to another, which is a very simple matter. Training non-technical persons to do any of this manually would cause greater off time and produce greater opportunity for human-inflicted damage to the systems.

Things have improved. In in 69, I was CE of a cluster of 5 FMs and 4 AMs, and had no other engineer on staff. No station had an auxiliary, and the generator was on wheels and taken to where it was needed after the power outage had started. One of the FM sites was at nearly 13,000 feet AMSL, too. And all transmitters had tubes in all stages then.
>
 
Re: More professionalism

> >
> > And you're right, times have changed. In the old days you
>
> > didn't have to jump up & down or hold your breath. If it
> > was a problem, they found a new chief operator. That was
> > before sales called all of the shots. There have always
> > been problems that kept stations off the air for long
> > periods, but I can recall a time(and I'm not that old)when
>
> > stations had back up systems that 90% of the time got you
> > back on the air quickly. In the early 80's an engineer at
>
> > KFI told me that they were never going to be off air for
> > more than 7 or 8 seconds in the event of a power failure
> or
> > main x-mitter failure. Course times were different. As I
>
> > recall they had people running the boards(ops or jocks)who
>
> > knew the equipment and systems backwards and forwards.
> > There seems to be very little training for them anymore...
>
>
> That is because the systems are automatic.
> Generally, transfers caused by failure are automatic, and
> they cause a page or alert to be sent to all the engineers,
> who will decide based on time, weather and road conditions
> how and when to get to the site.
>
> Similarly, in the studios, a catastropic failure in one is
> solved by moving to another, which is a very simple matter.
> Training non-technical persons to do any of this manually
> would cause greater off time and produce greater opportunity
> for human-inflicted damage to the systems.
>
True, but training operators is still something that should be
done. As it is now, only the older guys who actually had a
license know what to do. A few years back I was on the air at
a major station when the operator at our sister AM down the hall
kept re-running the ebs test over and over. He had NO IDEA what
he was doing and thought that he should keep doing it till he
got it right. Unfortunately he was sending these out to every
station in the region. Later, that same operator had a transmitter
failure and no clue what to do. I had to go over and get him
back on the air. All he needed to do is push 2 little buttons
to restore the signal.
 
Re: More professionalism RE: KFI

> >> There was a time when most PD's and station managers
> insisted on no more
> >> than 7 seconds of dead air before the back up x-mitter or
> antenna was back
> >> on.
>
> > The P.D., and or the Station Manager can jump up and down,
> or hold their
> > breath until they turn blue if they choose to. If there's
> a problem, the
> > Engineer is usually the one who fixes it, and sometimes it
> can take more
> > than 7 seconds to ring his extension. Surely you must be
> thinking about
> > the 7 second tape delay?
>
> > KIIS FM used to have 5 Engineers. Now 1 Engineer is
> responsible for 5
> > Stations. How times have changed~
>
>
> Yes the engineer is the one who usually fixes it. But they
> aren't usually around on weekends and holidays.
>
> And you're right, times have changed. In the old days you
> didn't have to jump up & down or hold your breath. If it
> was a problem, they found a new chief operator. That was
> before sales called all of the shots. There have always
> been problems that kept stations off the air for long
> periods, but I can recall a time(and I'm not that old)when
> stations had back up systems that 90% of the time got you
> back on the air quickly. In the early 80's an engineer at
> KFI told me that they were never going to be off air for
> more than 7 or 8 seconds in the event of a power failure or
> main x-mitter failure. Course times were different. As I
> recall they had people running the boards(ops or jocks)who
> knew the equipment and systems backwards and forwards.
> There seems to be very little training for them anymore...
>
I remember once during the winter of 1977 when a lightning strike took KFI off the air for at least two hours in the middle of the day! Marv Howard was the one to explain the reason for being off the air!
 
Re: More professionalism

> >
> True, but training operators is still something that should
> be
> done. As it is now, only the older guys who actually had a
> license know what to do.

Milage may vary. I found that the guys with tickets they got at REI and places like that knew just enough to be dangerous. One of them, at a directional in DC, could not correctly calibrate the antenna monitor and decided the array was out, and started cranking on the phasor. It cost about $5000 in consulting engineer fees to get it back in. I would rather tell them not to touch anything.

: A few years back I was on the air
> at
> a major station when the operator at our sister AM down the
> hall
> kept re-running the ebs test over and over. He had NO IDEA
> what
> he was doing and thought that he should keep doing it till
> he
> got it right. Unfortunately he was sending these out to
> every
> station in the region. Later, that same operator had a
> transmitter
> failure and no clue what to do. I had to go over and get
> him
> back on the air. All he needed to do is push 2 little
> buttons
> to restore the signal.
>
 
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