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KIOC Orange TX Downgraded!

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The FCC ordered that KIOC in Orange be downgraded
to Class C0. Clear Channel had filed a response with
the commission stating they would file for a new tower
within 180 days of 11/22/04 however they did not file.
The FCC has now ruled that KIOC be downgraded from a
Class C to a Class C0 per FCC Document number DA05-2206

This was yet another Charles Crawford petition.
 
> The FCC ordered that KIOC in Orange be downgraded
> to Class C0. Clear Channel had filed a response with
> the commission stating they would file for a new tower
> within 180 days of 11/22/04 however they did not file.
> The FCC has now ruled that KIOC be downgraded from a
> Class C to a Class C0 per FCC Document number DA05-2206
>
> This was yet another Charles Crawford petition.
>
I'll believe it when I see it. It won't happen.
 
> > The FCC ordered that KIOC in Orange be downgraded
> > to Class C0. Clear Channel had filed a response with
> > the commission stating they would file for a new tower
> > within 180 days of 11/22/04 however they did not file.
> > The FCC has now ruled that KIOC be downgraded from a
> > Class C to a Class C0 per FCC Document number DA05-2206
> >
> > This was yet another Charles Crawford petition.
> >
> I'll believe it when I see it. It won't happen.
>
Already has...when the FCC orders a downgrade, its a matter of them dotting the I and crossing the Ts in the allocation table...not surprised though..CC wont spend money to upgrade 106.1....they were waiting for Channel 4 to build a new tower...so much for that brilliant idea!
Next will come a downgrade to C1 (they are barely over the HAAT limit for C1...so could be ordered to drop power to less than 100KW)..C0 just means 1466ft HAAT instead of 1900ft HAAT as a C....not much difference in range considering the land along the coast...and WHERE was 106.1 going to get over 1500ft anyway?? Not on FOX29's tower thats for sure!
 
> I'll believe it when I see it. It won't happen.

It's done! Read FCC Document number DA05-2206

FCC ordered the change last week. Nothing Clear
Channel can do about it. They missed the deadline
two months ago and still don't have anything
filed.
 
Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

> > I'll believe it when I see it. It won't happen.
>
> It's done! Read FCC Document number DA05-2206
>
> FCC ordered the change last week. Nothing Clear
> Channel can do about it. They missed the deadline
> two months ago and still don't have anything
> filed.
>
KOVE-FM 106.5 Galveston could be the next downgrade to a C0. Crawford filled for the downgrade on RM 10778 and a Katherine Pyeatt has filed for a downgrade on RM HM-003 along with an application for a new station in Matagorda on 106.1C3.

So far Univision has not filed for an upgrade. The tower KOVE-FM is on in Hitchcock is 419.1m tall and KOVE-FM is listed at 405m. I don't know how difficult or expensive it would be to add another 40m to the existing tower to give KOVE-FM the minimum needed for a Class C? With the station so far south of downtown, I'm surprised the tower wasn't built at 600m.

Just what Matagorda County doesn't need is another station. If it meets the specs the FCC will approve it though. Any place any where with a few hundred people and the station allocation is approved for auction. The FCC finally deleted a dozen or so allocations that had run through the auction process several times with no takers.

Bay City {Matagorda County} has under 40,000 people and is some time away from growing into a large suburb of Houston. At this time the Matagorda Co line up is the following:
CP 88.1C2 KFRT (K-Fart?) Bay City Family Radio
CP 89.5C2 KZBJ Bay City KSBJ Network
AP 91.3A New Bay City
LIC 92.3A KZRC Markham {this station has been for sale for years} {RSV for a C3}
ADD 94.9A New Matagorda
ADD 98.3C3 New Palacios
LIC 99.7C2 KROY Palacios
ADD 100.7A New Palacios
LIC 101.7C1 KXGJ Bay City
LIC 102.5C2 KMKS Bay City{RSV C1}
ADD 106.1C3 New Matagorda

That is eleven stations, not counting Translators for less than 40K people. going by that count, Sugar Land or Missouri City should have about 22 stations each. This doesn't take into account nearly all the Houston stations have a great signal in Bay City and the stations the ring Matagorda County, like KIOX-FM 96.9 El Campo; KJOJ 103.3 Freeport; and many Victoria stations that are very listenable in Matagorda County.

I read a very interesting article about how much the FCC depends upon the $$$$'s they make on the FM Auctions. There is a problem, with the exception of rural city's and dots on the map, there are not any more open frequencies and the stations that the FCC has in most of the latest auctions are low price {by FCC standards} allocations and many are not even being bid on, apparently there are some sane people left that won't buy a frequency just for the sake of serving a few hundred people and little to no chance of income. Even Cheyenne, WY can support only so many stations with the population of the city and surrounding area.

CW you have stated many times that we will not see the Separation Tables for FM Stations revised in our lifetime. Hopefully we will both live much longer than that. While there is nothing officially on the FCC agenda to change the Tables, the only way the FCC can squeeze in more stations is to reduce the separation so they can have applications filed for cities and towns near to the larger markets that under todays R&R's have no room for any more stations. Any station that would be auctioned off near a large or especially major market will bring in mega bucks to the FCC.

I realize that NAB for starters would be against any plan like that, but I think the auction money will speak louder than NAB, etal. Don't be surprised to see a new set of Tables in a few years. For stations that are rimshots to city's and want to move closer, while they will still be guaranteed the same frequency, they will have to pay the going minimum auction price for that allocation. You can be sure it will be a very hefty sum of money.

It could be interesting in a couple of years if the FCC does go through with a new Table and just how close spaced the stations will be allowed. Since IBOC does not seem to cause adjacent channel interference, the 1st adjacents can be reduced without problem and 2nd adjacents by a large margin and very possibly do away with 3rd channel seperation completely. Canada did away with their Table of Separations some time in the last five years or so. I am not sure what the rules are under the new Table, there is no 3rd channel separation and 1st adjacents as a C2 seem to be about 40 miles. There is no longer any protection to US stations in Canada. Canada will not send a signal into the states that has not already been agreed upon, but I noticed at least three Buffalo stations that easily put a good signal into Toronto now have Toronto stations on those frequencies. I spend time in Western New York every year for anywhere from a few weeks to a month and nearly every frequency has a station on it and with every rental car I have had so far there was no problem or even 1st channel interference and the majority of stations had a good to excellent signal.

We will know in a few years if the article had any merit to the FCC squeezing more stations into the large and major markets and the outer suburbs. So Cal could be a gold mine for the FCC.

Mike O
 
Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

I guess my point was that nothing changes for KIOC, they still broadcast from the same tower and at the same power they do now.

That is correct, isn't it?
 
Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

> I guess my point was that nothing changes for KIOC, they
> still broadcast from the same tower and at the same power
> they do now.
>
> That is correct, isn't it?
>
Yes, but they cannot upgrade to full C....and they now have co and adj channel stations that will be closer than they have been.
Downgrading is a loss of potential in the future!!! Way to go Cheap Channel....
another full C in the BPT area gone or lost..(the others "lost" to Houston)
 
K208DK is on the air

> CP 89.5C2 KZBJ Bay City KSBJ Network

K208DK is now on the air, last time I was down at my place in Lavaca county it was overloading KACC with my new antenna I got, I cant recieve KACC much any more because of them.
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Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

>> another full C in the BPT area gone or lost..(the others
> "lost" to Houston)

I remember being able to hear that thing in Austin 24/7. In Houston it sounded almost like a local.
 
Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

Used to love picking them up during the Power Hits K-106 days back in the late 80s and early 90s. Especially during the live broadcasts from Starz (hosted by Mark Landis). Wish I had tape on those shows.


> >> another full C in the BPT area gone or lost..(the others
> > "lost" to Houston)
>
> I remember being able to hear that thing in Austin 24/7. In
> Houston it sounded almost like a local.
>
 
Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

> Used to love picking them up during the Power Hits K-106
> days back in the late 80s and early 90s. Especially during
> the live broadcasts from Starz (hosted by Mark Landis). Wish
> I had tape on those shows.
>
>
> > >> another full C in the BPT area gone or lost..(the
> others
> > > "lost" to Houston)
> >
> > I remember being able to hear that thing in Austin 24/7.
> In
> > Houston it sounded almost like a local.
> >
>
Where is Mark Landis now? Wasn't he on with John Lander on 93Q?
 
Re: KIOC Orange TX Downgraded! KOVE-FM Next?

> Where is Mark Landis now? Wasn't he on with John Lander on
> 93Q?

Yep---he was part of the Q Morning Zoo (the good ole days)...but not sure where he is now...
 
Re: KIOC - Mark Landis

> > Where is Mark Landis now? Wasn't he on with John Lander
> on
> > 93Q?
>
> Yep---he was part of the Q Morning Zoo (the good ole
> days)...but not sure where he is now...
>
He's now at KSRX San Antonio K-Rock 102.7. He goes by Landis on the air.

Anyone here know that he started in radio doing vo for the Club 6400 broadcast sweepers, did some announcements on the air there. Then hosted the show. (My understanding is that he worked at the club, management I think) Then went on to host other club broadcasts for 93Q. Eventually doing overnights and producing on the Q-Morning Zoo. Later moved to Beaumont to do mornings at KIOC. Disappeared after that. Yeah I know a few things about his "career". He was cool. I enjoyed listening to him. Im a dj, influenced by the mixshows on KRBE (Ocean Club, Shelter, Roxy) and 93Q (6400, Netwerk, D2R, DV8, etc).. but he is the one who actually inspired me to use my mic.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rageradio on 08/06/05 06:33 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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