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KIRO trying save themselves from death

A whole lot of BS. Little Kevvy, is seeing that his promises to Fields are just not going to come true. You just can't save a station that is already DEAD!!!
Though you can kill it faster. Quit crying Kevin, if you look around you might be able to get the manager job at Buestos Media. Their growing and you can't hurt them much, all they can do is grow!!!! (He is lucky he wrote this before the trends came out.)



KIRO disputes story

I have been in the radio industry for 30 years and find it impossible to recall an article as poorly written as Heidi Dietrich's KIRO piece in your May 20, 2005, edition. Her misuse of ratings data, her misrepresentation of a Tom Clendening remark and the misleading conclusion summarized in the headline need to be addressed. Let's start with the article's headline: "Program changes knock KIRO radio off its perch." A single, 12-week rating period, the Winter 2005 Arbitron, is the only time frame for which the new KIRO lineup has been measured. As anyone in the radio industry will attest, it is impossible to judge the eventual success or failure of programming changes after a single, 12-week rating period. The fact is that the move of Dave Ross to the 3 p.m.-to-6 p.m. shift resulted in KIRO's highest 3 p.m.-to-6 p.m. Adult 25-54 AQH share since the Fall Arbitron of 2003! That fact, of course, would be impossible to ascertain, given the nonsensical use of ratings data in the article. Rather than show how the new KIRO lineup performed in its first ratings period compared to the previous lineup's performance over the past year, Ms. Dietrich inexplicably chose to lump the single rating period of the new lineup in with the three previous rating periods of the old lineup to create a single number. Then Ms. Dietrich skipped an entire year's worth of data and compared her Frankenstein number to data that goes back to April, 2002! Forget apples to apples -- this is apples to tractors.

With regard to the misrepresentation of Mr. Clendening's remark, what Mr. Clendening quite correctly stated was that the Internet has changed people's ability to access the news. As a result, KIRO has changed the quantity and frequency of its award-winning news in afternoon drive to reflect the needs of today's well-informed audience. Given the choice of news and Dave Ross' insightful analysis of the day's meaningful events versus a continual 15-minute recycle of the same headlines over and over again, we believe that smart Seattle listeners prefer the former.

Does KIRO have a smaller audience since ending its association with the Mariners? Yes. Did that association end in September, 2002? Yes. Not exactly breaking news. In the nine rating periods that KIRO has been without Mariners baseball, KIRO has had a larger share of the Adult 25-54 audience Monday through Friday from 5 a.m. until 9 a.m. than the all-news Mariner flagship competitor in every single rating book. On a Monday-Sunday, 6 a.m.-12 a.m. Adult 25-54 basis, KIRO has had a larger share of the audience than the all-news Mariner flagship in each of the past three rating periods and five of the past six. And yes, that includes the rating book with the new KIRO lineup.

Kevin McCarthy, vice president/market manager, Entercom Seattle
 
> Does KIRO have a smaller audience since ending its
> association with the Mariners? Yes. Did that association end
> in September, 2002? Yes. Not exactly breaking news. In the
> nine rating periods that KIRO has been without Mariners
> baseball, KIRO has had a larger share of the Adult 25-54
> audience Monday through Friday from 5 a.m. until 9 a.m. than
> the all-news Mariner flagship competitor in every single
> rating book. On a Monday-Sunday, 6 a.m.-12 a.m. Adult 25-54
> basis, KIRO has had a larger share of the audience than the
> all-news Mariner flagship in each of the past three rating
> periods and five of the past six. And yes, that includes the
> rating book with the new KIRO lineup.

Let's review that again, shall we?

> In the nine rating periods that KIRO has been without Mariners
> baseball, KIRO has had a larger share of the Adult 25-54
> audience Monday through Friday from 5 a.m. until 9 a.m. than
> the all-news Mariner flagship competitor in every single
> rating book. In the
> nine rating periods that KIRO has been without Mariners
> baseball, KIRO has had a larger share of the Adult 25-54
> audience Monday through Friday from 5 a.m. until 9 a.m. than
> the all-news Mariner flagship competitor in every single
> rating book.

Well, DUH!! How many Mariners games air at 5AM?

> On a Monday-Sunday, 6 a.m.-12 a.m. Adult 25-54
> basis, KIRO has had a larger share of the audience than the
> all-news Mariner flagship in each of the past three rating
> periods and five of the past six.

Yes, but take out the times when Mariners games run (pretty much any time outside of AM drive) and KIRO falls flat.

Anybody with an IQ larger then their shoe size can see this for what it is - a nice piece of spin-meistering, Mr. McCarthy. That should keep those national buys coming in - because, as we all know, they don't just "buy the numbers"!
 
> A whole lot of BS. Little Kevvy, is seeing that his promises
> to Fields are just not going to come true. You just can't
> save a station that is already DEAD!!!
> Though you can kill it faster. Quit crying Kevin, if you
> look around you might be able to get the manager job at
> Buestos Media. Their growing and you can't hurt them much,
> all they can do is grow!!!! (He is lucky he wrote this
> before the trends came out.)

The problem with this Letter To The Editor is that it's all numbers and ratings spin. The average reader of this letter and even some radio pros might be baffled by the BS, but the overall numbers say it the most clearly - KIRO has clearly lost the 12 year olds.

They must've all defected to KUBE soon after the M's were dropped. There were other warnings, Topp Dogg G-Hersh (Greg Herscholdt) was no longer rapping the news with D Jay-Shan (Jane Shannon) on da KIRO Wheelz uV Steel Morning Ride. Notice that too?...

And now KUBE is WHIPPING KIRO.



>
>
>
> KIRO disputes story
>
> I have been in the radio industry for 30 years and find it
> impossible to recall an article as poorly written as Heidi
> Dietrich's KIRO piece in your May 20, 2005, edition. Her
> misuse of ratings data, her misrepresentation of a Tom
> Clendening remark and the misleading conclusion summarized
> in the headline need to be addressed. Let's start with the
> article's headline: "Program changes knock KIRO radio off
> its perch." A single, 12-week rating period, the Winter 2005
> Arbitron, is the only time frame for which the new KIRO
> lineup has been measured. As anyone in the radio industry
> will attest, it is impossible to judge the eventual success
> or failure of programming changes after a single, 12-week
> rating period. The fact is that the move of Dave Ross to the
> 3 p.m.-to-6 p.m. shift resulted in KIRO's highest 3
> p.m.-to-6 p.m. Adult 25-54 AQH share since the Fall Arbitron
> of 2003! That fact, of course, would be impossible to
> ascertain, given the nonsensical use of ratings data in the
> article. Rather than show how the new KIRO lineup performed
> in its first ratings period compared to the previous
> lineup's performance over the past year, Ms. Dietrich
> inexplicably chose to lump the single rating period of the
> new lineup in with the three previous rating periods of the
> old lineup to create a single number. Then Ms. Dietrich
> skipped an entire year's worth of data and compared her
> Frankenstein number to data that goes back to April, 2002!
> Forget apples to apples -- this is apples to tractors.
>
> With regard to the misrepresentation of Mr. Clendening's
> remark, what Mr. Clendening quite correctly stated was that
> the Internet has changed people's ability to access the
> news. As a result, KIRO has changed the quantity and
> frequency of its award-winning news in afternoon drive to
> reflect the needs of today's well-informed audience. Given
> the choice of news and Dave Ross' insightful analysis of the
> day's meaningful events versus a continual 15-minute recycle
> of the same headlines over and over again, we believe that
> smart Seattle listeners prefer the former.
>
> Does KIRO have a smaller audience since ending its
> association with the Mariners? Yes. Did that association end
> in September, 2002? Yes. Not exactly breaking news. In the
> nine rating periods that KIRO has been without Mariners
> baseball, KIRO has had a larger share of the Adult 25-54
> audience Monday through Friday from 5 a.m. until 9 a.m. than
> the all-news Mariner flagship competitor in every single
> rating book. On a Monday-Sunday, 6 a.m.-12 a.m. Adult 25-54
> basis, KIRO has had a larger share of the audience than the
> all-news Mariner flagship in each of the past three rating
> periods and five of the past six. And yes, that includes the
> rating book with the new KIRO lineup.
>
> Kevin McCarthy, vice president/market manager, Entercom
> Seattle
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"Never keep up with the Jones's. Drag them down to your level" - Quentin Crisp

[email protected]


</P>
 
>
> Anybody with an IQ larger then their shoe size can see this
> for what it is - a nice piece of spin-meistering, Mr.
> McCarthy. That should keep those national buys coming in -
> because, as we all know, they don't just "buy the numbers"!
>
KIRO's problem is industry credibility. It has none.
 
>
> They must've all defected to KUBE soon after the M's were
> dropped. There were other warnings, Topp Dogg G-Hersh (Greg
> Herscholdt) was no longer rapping the news with D Jay-Shan
> (Jane Shannon) on da KIRO Wheelz uV Steel Morning Ride.
> Notice that too?...
>
>

Could you translate this paragraph for those of us who aren't as hip and happenin' as you dogg?

I think you're saying their ratings are slipping too?
 
Re: Ratings Fact From Fiction KIRO

The fascination with the demise of KIRO on these Boards
plain blown out of proportion. Here is an unbiased (as best
I can do, since I am a rep guy, not for Entercom) KIRO story:

In 2002 KIRO lost the Mariners to KOMO resulting a decline
evening and weekend 25-54 numbers by almost 70%. Morning numbers are
off 40%, Mid-days 60% and afternoons 30% since 2002 The night and afternoon
Mariner numbers have gone to KOMO. Mornings is a dead heat in the
last trend between KOMO/KIRO, but neither was top ten in the April
numbers, our most recent.

That said, KIRO is still a solid radio station and remains the
number two billing station in the market. The 50+ demo remains
strong, as does cume. Same applies to KOMO. Both stations
are primary purchases for many advertisers because of the reach,
not frequency of spots. KOMO may be the number 5 billing station
now in Seattle. KMPS, KIRO, KZOK, KMTT, KPLZ, KOMO, KRWM are your
big seven billers. KOMO would be the number one biller in Seattle
if you include Mariner revenue.

Finally, it appears that much of the audience has eroded from the
AM dial period. KTTH and KVI are both down from a year ago in mornings,
along with KOMO and KIRO. KMPS doubles KIRO's number in 25-54 men, so
does KZOK and KISW. KMPS doubles KIRO's number in women 25-54, so does
KPLZ and KRWM. (based on the latest trend data)

The change may be more a move to FM in the mornings. All AM stations
are having a tougher time in mornings and mid-days. It has been a trend
for a while. That said KIRO and KOMO remain the solid buys on the AM dial
and outside of Mariners are about equal.
 
Re: Ratings Fact From Fiction KIRO

> Finally, it appears that much of the audience has eroded
> from the
> AM dial period. KTTH and KVI are both down from a year ago
> in mornings,
> along with KOMO and KIRO.

Question - could numbers being down in the mornings on certain stations be a result of more good programming on a number of stations in the morning.

Just a few years ago - KIRO and KVI were really the only things compelling on the AM dial in the mornings (and I don't like Kirby Wilbur). KTTH was a low rated business news station; KOMO was playing Cashman, etc.

But now with KTTH carrying Siegal - thats gotta be an improvement over the Biz format.

And I think that the news with Bill & Manda has given Gregg & Jane a run for their money at KIRO. It certainly took a while a bit of tinkering with the KOMO mornings to get a good team down (Slocum, very good in the afternoons with Lisa Brooks, didn't really mesh with Manda), but now that they've got it, it sounds darned good.

So, basically, is it the same pie as 3 years ago, just split more ways?
 
Re: Ratings Fact From Fiction KIRO

> The fascination with the demise of KIRO on these Boards
> plain blown out of proportion. Here is an unbiased (as best
>

Haven't noticed a ton of KIRO stuff here.


>
> That said, KIRO is still a solid radio station and remains
> the
> number two billing station in the market. The 50+ demo
> remains
> strong, as does cume. Same applies to KOMO. Both stations
> are primary purchases for many advertisers because of the


Any rep guy would know 50+ is not an advertiser's demo. News talkers have adults 35-54 primary demo. 50+ is nothing to brag about.


>
> Finally, it appears that much of the audience has eroded
> from the
> AM dial period. KTTH and KVI are both down from a year ago
> in mornings,
> along with KOMO and KIRO. KMPS doubles KIRO's number in
> 25-54 men, so
> does KZOK and KISW. KMPS doubles KIRO's number in women
> 25-54, so does
> KPLZ and KRWM. (based on the latest trend data)

Not a valid excuse. This reads like insiders trying to make excuses for poor performance.
 
Re: Ratings Fact From Fiction KIRO

> > Finally, it appears that much of the audience has eroded
> > from the
> > AM dial period. KTTH and KVI are both down from a year ago
>
> > in mornings,
> > along with KOMO and KIRO. KMPS doubles KIRO's number in
> > 25-54 men, so
> > does KZOK and KISW. KMPS doubles KIRO's number in women
> > 25-54, so does
> > KPLZ and KRWM. (based on the latest trend data)
>
> Not a valid excuse. This reads like insiders trying to make
> excuses for poor performance.
>

More people probably have left AM for FM stations. Not because of the cool sound of stereo or HD radio, but because FM Morning shows are simply more entertaining and interesting.

I can get every bit of news KIRO spoonfeeds its aging listeners on the internet with a few clicks. So why would anyone listen to KIRO? Greg and Jane sound like they hate eachother as they read the same stories, in the same way, and drone on with fake laughter and concern. As a team they're weak. As individuals, they're replaceable. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by ThatVoice on 06/10/05 02:32 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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