KISW Morning Survey

[nwoidaho]

6:40am this morning...Stone Sour's "Looking Glass" with a :00 intro! What does that PPM survey data tell you about :00 music intros? I know what it says... Talking down/over songs with :00 intro's is a big no-no in the PPM data I've seen from around the US...

[Citations Needed]

I was always taught this was a general rule in radio period. Bubba The Love Sponge also made a comment about it this morning on his show when referencing the ratings for his show in Miami.

Here's also a practical mention of "the rule"...

http://www.urbanradiocoach.com/art1.html

"Talking in music sweeps: make a song-to-song segue by hitting the second song at full volume, let it establish for approximately one second, and then talk over the song intro. The exception to this guideline would be with cold/no intro songs, and then it is acceptable to talk on the back fade of the song quickly. Avoid 'bridging two songs', where the jock starts talking on the fade of one song and then starts the second song under the rap. Forward momentum and energy is increased when you hit the next song and deliver your quick message. Note: It is important to totally respect the music in some formats where its policy not to talk over the music at all. If there is any talk in music sweeps it's done between songs."

 

[AQH]

6:40am this morning...Stone Sour's "Looking Glass" with a :00 intro! What does that PPM survey data tell you about :00 music intros? I know what it says... Talking down/over songs with :00 intro's is a big no-no in the PPM data I've seen from around the US...

[Citations Needed]

I was always taught this was a general rule in radio period. Bubba The Love Sponge also made a comment about it this morning on his show when referencing the ratings for his show in Miami.

Here's also a practical mention of "the rule"...

http://www.urbanradiocoach.com/art1.html

"Talking in music sweeps: make a song-to-song segue by hitting the second song at full volume, let it establish for approximately one second, and then talk over the song intro. The exception to this guideline would be with cold/no intro songs, and then it is acceptable to talk on the back fade of the song quickly. Avoid 'bridging two songs', where the jock starts talking on the fade of one song and then starts the second song under the rap. Forward momentum and energy is increased when you hit the next song and deliver your quick message. Note: It is important to totally respect the music in some formats where its policy not to talk over the music at all. If there is any talk in music sweeps it's done between songs."

No, don't reply with a Ron Baillie refresher course when you specifically referenced PPM data.

The PPM data is the metric and reasoning you used, provide a link to that data that backs up your claim.

 

[nwoidaho]

6:40am this morning...Stone Sour's "Looking Glass" with a :00 intro! What does that PPM survey data tell you about :00 music intros? I know what it says... Talking down/over songs with :00 intro's is a big no-no in the PPM data I've seen from around the US...

[Citations Needed]

I was always taught this was a general rule in radio period. Bubba The Love Sponge also made a comment about it this morning on his show when referencing the ratings for his show in Miami.

Here's also a practical mention of "the rule"...

http://www.urbanradiocoach.com/art1.html

"Talking in music sweeps: make a song-to-song segue by hitting the second song at full volume, let it establish for approximately one second, and then talk over the song intro. The exception to this guideline would be with cold/no intro songs, and then it is acceptable to talk on the back fade of the song quickly. Avoid 'bridging two songs', where the jock starts talking on the fade of one song and then starts the second song under the rap. Forward momentum and energy is increased when you hit the next song and deliver your quick message. Note: It is important to totally respect the music in some formats where its policy not to talk over the music at all. If there is any talk in music sweeps it's done between songs."

No, don't reply with a Ron Baillie refresher course when you specifically referenced PPM data.

The PPM data is the metric and reasoning you used, provide a link to that data that backs up your claim.

First of all, Thank you for showing us your cards, Player.

Since you are knee deep and have direct access to that type of data and I don't, it's fairly easy to discredit my claims...

Here's the first on-air mention of PPM Data and "PPM School" Bubba talked about yesterday, specifically dealing with :00 intros on music during his show...

http://nwoidaho.posterous.com/btls-radio-mentions-ppm-on-the-air

Now, what's Bubba talking about when he said :00 intros are a no-no, according to his PPM School Teacher? What makes his instructor any different then the approach being used in Seattle? After all, that data is supposed to be collected in a similar manner, right?

Also, Kidd Chris mentioned PPM in a similar breath with someone being late on an interview segment.

Wonder why BJ can't talk openly about PPM on the air? Does Entercom just have this upper level of class that the other broadcasters don't have or some type of guideline that makes it impossible for the company to address these "survey" situations openly with the audience?

I find it pretty chicken sh*t the bait and switch those Jabroni's pulled with their audience. I shouldn't really be surprised because it's nothing new for them. Then again, I don't count because I'm not in Seattle...

 

[SRP]

Then again, I don't count because I'm not in Seattle...

Bingo! So complain all you want, it doesn't matter.

 

[nwoidaho]

Then again, I don't count because I'm not in Seattle...

Bingo! So complain all you want, it doesn't matter.

The ratings will have the last laugh. I'm just the first a**hole to tell you so...

"Variety ROCK 99.9 KISW" has a real nice ring to it. Doesn't it? All you have to do is install the satellite receiver and you'll be set!

 

[AQH]

First of all, Thank you for showing us your cards, Player.

Okay, I'll bite. What cards are being shown?

Since you are knee deep and have direct access to that type of data and I don't, it's fairly easy to discredit my claims...

Knee deep in what?

Don't worry about what my access to PPM data is, I'd like to find out what the PPM data is you reference. Bubba The Love Sponge talking over bumper music is hardly PPM data. If that's your reference to PPM data, then just say so.

 

[nwoidaho]

First of all, Thank you for showing us your cards, Player.

Okay, I'll bite. What cards are being shown?

Since you are knee deep and have direct access to that type of data and I don't, it's fairly easy to discredit my claims...

Knee deep in what?

Don't worry about what my access to PPM data is, I'd like to find out what the PPM data is you reference. Bubba The Love Sponge talking over bumper music is hardly PPM data. If that's your reference to PPM data, then just say so.

Thanks for posting this during a music break, BJ. Nice and transparent.

I have no direct access to PPM Data...like you do, Sir.

 

[AQH]

First of all, Thank you for showing us your cards, Player.

Okay, I'll bite. What cards are being shown?

Since you are knee deep and have direct access to that type of data and I don't, it's fairly easy to discredit my claims...

Knee deep in what?

Don't worry about what my access to PPM data is, I'd like to find out what the PPM data is you reference. Bubba The Love Sponge talking over bumper music is hardly PPM data. If that's your reference to PPM data, then just say so.

Thanks for posting this during a music break, BJ. Nice and transparent.

I have no direct access to PPM Data...like you do, Sir.

If you want to think I'm BJ Shea, then go right ahead. That said, I would remind you that streaming audio is often delayed by a measure of minutes. Go and listen to a station in Boise live off your radio and dial it up on the internet to see what I mean.

Fair enough on the PPM data, but I would sincerely suggest something. If you want to learn more about PPM data and insights about it, please don't trust Bubba The Love Sponge over bumper music as your basis. Instead, I would suggest going to the Arbitron website, as they have quite a bit of information and insights to PPM data on their site, and links to other sources of information as well.

 

[TVradioguru]

I just find it amusing that Mr or Ms. Spud somehow believes that Bubba The Love Sponge consults-for or represents Arbitron when it comes to counceling stations on the use of PPM encoding, just as he/she is convinced that we're all this BJ person. When I attended roll-out meetings for PPM three years ago, I don't recall Arbitron making an introduction like: "Now to explain how to optimize the potential of PPM encoding, allow me to introduce our expert in PPM, Bubba The Love Sponge!" (golf-clap like applause)

 

[nwoidaho]

I just find it amusing that Mr or Ms. Spud somehow believes that Bubba The Love Sponge consults-for or represents Arbitron when it comes to counceling stations on the use of PPM encoding, just as he/she is convinced that we're all this BJ person. When I attended roll-out meetings for PPM three years ago, I don't recall Arbitron making an introduction like: "Now to explain how to optimize the potential of PPM encoding, allow me to introduce our expert in PPM, Bubba The Love Sponge!" (golf-clap like applause)

First and foremost, I have a penis...So you can drop the Ms. sh*t real fast...

I just pointed out one instance where Bubba, being a regionally syndicated air talent, mentioned on his show that ":00 Talksets over Bumper Music is a no-no according to his PPM Teacher"...

Now, if there are so many 'experts' in and out of radio with the knowledge about the technology of PPM data why is it that it takes a year since it's initial inception in Seattle to work out the changes made to BJ's show? If the PPM Data is so strong, so convincing, you'd think BJ and the crew would jump on making adjustments to the program as soon as they had this ironclad data available, Wouldn't you?

 

[AQH]

Now, if there are so many 'experts' in and out of radio with the knowledge about the technology of PPM data why is it that it takes a year since it's initial inception in Seattle to work out the changes made to BJ's show? If the PPM Data is so strong, so convincing, you'd think BJ and the crew would jump on making adjustments to the program as soon as they had this ironclad data available, Wouldn't you?

You can't program your station based simply on PPM data.

Best impromptu analogy: Let's say your car dies. You know the car is dead, but what is the problem? No funny odors, your gas tank is full, what's going on?

Same can be said for a radio station. PPM is not a mechanic, it's more like a speedometer.

 

[scott salvatori]

this bj shay sure has some psyco fans, who live and breathe this shay show.......when it added music, and cut the shock jock shtick chit chat, it ruined their lives.

what are todays bj show topics, in btween the music? who banged who, where, why, when , and how....?day after day of that shock, has lost its shock value...now whats an old shock jock to do? add music?

what about this bubba the love sponge. just the name got this nut some ratings #'s. how are his shock jock antics? the usuals: forced laughter, shock value grade A, talent value grade F.

 

[TVradioguru]

First and foremost, I have a penis...So you can drop the Ms. sh*t real fast...

Looks like someone is a little touchy about their sexuality! Interesting way to simply state that you are male.

I just pointed out one instance where Bubba, being a regionally syndicated air talent, mentioned on his show that ":00 Talksets over Bumper Music is a no-no according to his PPM Teacher"...

Now, if there are so many 'experts' in and out of radio with the knowledge about the technology of PPM data why is it that it takes a year since it's initial inception in Seattle to work out the changes made to BJ's show? If the PPM Data is so strong, so convincing, you'd think BJ and the crew would jump on making adjustments to the program as soon as they had this ironclad data available, Wouldn't you?

Let me see if I can break this thread down one final time for you.. It doesn't matter whether a station is playing music, jingles, commercials, promos, or spoken word. Encoding and decoding of PPM data still happens. If the programming folks at whatever rock station choose to intersperse music in an otherwise talk-based show, I'm confident there are valid reasons which will NEVER be shared with you. The reasons may be concluded after conducting research with listeners actually in the market. BJ and whomever makes up his "crew", probably didn't make the decision to have music also included in the show. Chances are good that idea came from superiors.

As someone pointed out, your input to an out-of-market show is worth squat. Unless you are in the Seattle market, frequent sponsors or participate in ratings, you have no say. Getting all worked up and calling out shows or personalities on a radio discussion board only makes you appear to be a loon.

 

[SRP]

Let me see if I can break this thread down one final time for you.. It doesn't matter whether a station is playing music, jingles, commercials, promos, or spoken word. Encoding and decoding of PPM data still happens. If the programming folks at whatever rock station choose to intersperse music in an otherwise talk-based show, I'm confident there are valid reasons which will NEVER be shared with you. The reasons may be concluded after conducting research with listeners actually in the market. BJ and whomever makes up his "crew", probably didn't make the decision to have music also included in the show. Chances are good that idea came from superiors.

As someone pointed out, your input to an out-of-market show is worth squat. Unless you are in the Seattle market, frequent sponsors or participate in ratings, you have no say. Getting all worked up and calling out shows or personalities on a radio discussion board only makes you appear to be a loon.

Game, set and match, Guru. Nice work as usual!! But unfortunately, that won't stop this thread from continuing on.

 

[SandyG]

I think BJ was getting his ass kicked in the ratings. I think I heard that even his sister station the END was beating him in some demos....and they're all music in the morning, so the suits decided..."let's add music! It'll fool the PPM listeners to tune in longer." Only time, and a few months of ratings, will tell...but don't be surprised if they go "99.9 minutes of music at 9" in the near future to help get the 6-10 ratings up, and BJ is just on 6-9....unless that already happened. I really don't listen to him anyway.

 

[nwoidaho]

First and foremost, I have a penis...So you can drop the Ms. sh*t real fast...

Looks like someone is a little touchy about their sexuality! Interesting way to simply state that you are male.

I just pointed out one instance where Bubba, being a regionally syndicated air talent, mentioned on his show that ":00 Talksets over Bumper Music is a no-no according to his PPM Teacher"...

Now, if there are so many 'experts' in and out of radio with the knowledge about the technology of PPM data why is it that it takes a year since it's initial inception in Seattle to work out the changes made to BJ's show? If the PPM Data is so strong, so convincing, you'd think BJ and the crew would jump on making adjustments to the program as soon as they had this ironclad data available, Wouldn't you?

Let me see if I can break this thread down one final time for you.. It doesn't matter whether a station is playing music, jingles, commercials, promos, or spoken word. Encoding and decoding of PPM data still happens. If the programming folks at whatever rock station choose to intersperse music in an otherwise talk-based show, I'm confident there are valid reasons which will NEVER be shared with you. The reasons may be concluded after conducting research with listeners actually in the market. BJ and whomever makes up his "crew", probably didn't make the decision to have music also included in the show. Chances are good that idea came from superiors.

As someone pointed out, your input to an out-of-market show is worth squat. Unless you are in the Seattle market, frequent sponsors or participate in ratings, you have no say. Getting all worked up and calling out shows or personalities on a radio discussion board only makes you appear to be a loon.

I'm not a 'loon' when the host calls you out specifically on the air and in video blogs after you've voiced an opinion that isn't directly in-line with this new direction of the show. Secondly, once again on the air, BJ took accountability in the changes with his show. He told the audience that the choice to play music was his and his alone. Where else am I supposed to voice my displeasure when BJ 'Angle' has always been, "Communicate with the Audience" and "I'm Mr. Customer Service..."

I sent one email and posted on the Facebook page for 3 Days. That's it.

Once they heard of my opinion in the current direction, They began deleting people who had anything negative to say about playing music during the show. We got one week to voice our displeasure and that was it...

My point stands. BJ's show is a talk show. If you are going to play music, use proper separation between the music and "when it's time to talk"... Listening to BJ "Hot Jock" 40 year old songs is not what I listen to his show for...

 

[scott salvatori]

find a new show mr "new world order idahoser". sounds like your negative comments played right into bj'shay show hands. congrats, your the victim of shock jockage, from your ol' buddy bj. he ripped you open, for all his audience to laugh at, and mock. now its time to move on.........

hey try this fella....get yourself a sattelite radio, and you can hear the king of a-hole shock jockers, howard stern. he does more in your face sex talk, and cutting edge shock jocking, than bj ever dreamed of. and he dont play no music. sounds like just what you need to keep your juices flowing for now, and mend your broken heart.

when you grow up, and mature like a normal red-blooded American male, come check out bob rivers, at kzok in seattle, in the mornings. one of the best morning shows in the USA, actual 100% morning radio talent, w/o the contrived, immature shock jock BS jive your currently accustomed to.

 

[TVradioguru]

I'm not a 'loon'

I believe that several of us here would disagree with that statement..

when the host calls you out specifically on the air and in video blogs after you've voiced an opinion that isn't directly in-line with this new direction of the show. Secondly, once again on the air, BJ took accountability in the changes with his show. He told the audience that the choice to play music was his and his alone. Where else am I supposed to voice my displeasure when BJ 'Angle' has always been, "Communicate with the Audience" and "I'm Mr. Customer Service..."

Once they heard of my opinion in the current direction, They began deleting people who had anything negative to say about playing music during the show. We got one week to voice our displeasure and that was it...

I think you once again overestimate the influence someone from outside the market would have in Seattle. That would be a big zero.

As for this BJ person calling you out on the air or on this little forum, two things come to my mind as distinct reality; voices in your head and the accusations that AQH and others here as being this BJ person aren't actually real. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that they neither called you out nor is anyone here from the show you listen to outside the market,speaking directly to you. That black labrador down the street that speaks to you...now that could be a possibility.

 

[Jay Peninger]

I'm not a 'loon'

I believe that several of us here would disagree with that statement..

when the host calls you out specifically on the air and in video blogs after you've voiced an opinion that isn't directly in-line with this new direction of the show. Secondly, once again on the air, BJ took accountability in the changes with his show. He told the audience that the choice to play music was his and his alone. Where else am I supposed to voice my displeasure when BJ 'Angle' has always been, "Communicate with the Audience" and "I'm Mr. Customer Service..."

Once they heard of my opinion in the current direction, They began deleting people who had anything negative to say about playing music during the show. We got one week to voice our displeasure and that was it...

I think you once again overestimate the influence someone from outside the market would have in Seattle. That would be a big zero.

As for this BJ person calling you out on the air or on this little forum, two things come to my mind as distinct reality; voices in your head and the accusations that AQH and others here as being this BJ person aren't actually real. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that they neither called you out nor is anyone here from the show you listen to outside the market,speaking directly to you. That black labrador down the street that speaks to you...now that could be a possibility.

As a impartial observer I would have to say that BJ Shea has on his show spoke about the folks on this board, I believe he said "The geniuses at Radio-Info are two kinds of people bitter former employees who couldn't keep a job in radio, or morons who can't get a job in radio" but that was awhile ago and I while I am confident he or his staff does read the site as they obviously know what is going on here I couldn't say if any of them are active posters.

Either way it is a moot point as they certainly would never openly admit it if they were given their regard for the people here now would they.

 

[TVradioguru]

As a impartial observer I would have to say that BJ Shea has on his show spoke about the folks on this board, I believe he said "The geniuses at Radio-Info are two kinds of people bitter former employees who couldn't keep a job in radio, or morons who can't get a job in radio" but that was awhile ago and I while I am confident he or his staff does read the site as they obviously know what is going on here I couldn't say if any of them are active posters.
Either way it is a moot point as they certainly would never openly admit it if they were given their regard for the people here now would they.

I believe that Mr. Spud was concerned that he in particular, was being singled out by this BJ person. If indeed your description of what was said on the radio is accurate, then it appears this BJ, was speaking about the whole Seattle discussion board, not just Mr. Boise. This sort of reaction isn't unusual with the few, let's say less than stable, radio listeners or TV viewers who feel that messages or comments are being directed to them personally. I've read many a angry E-mail or letter from a "fan" who actually feels that a news anchor or radio personality is speaking to them individually. Generally their personality lends itself to paranoia in life anyway. It's unfortunate, but the way it goes sometimes.

Going back to the comment; if indeed that is what this BJ person said, I agree that his review of this and probably other participants here could be spot on.