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KJR-FM FLIPS TO OLDIES 95-7!

That was a screw up from Radio Insight, they didn't launch until 11am,those songs were from AT40 show an hour before oldies 95.7 was launched.
 
That was a mistake by Radio Insight.Those songs were during the last hour of the AT40 show,one hour before oldies 95.7 was launched at 11am not 10am which was posted by Radio Insight.
 
Whoops; I guess that was a Radio Insight screw up

Actually I didn't think KJR FM would run the AT40 broadcasts until next weekend, so I guess I was wrong, but still I think there's room for three oldies/classic hits stations in the area.
 
lalumia said:
Yea!!!!!
more Supremes please, and Vandellas and Marvelettes as well....
hope the station goes right to #1!!!
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Dis ain't Noo Yawk, lalumia. No way KJR will do what CBS-FM did.
 
Ok, so let's take this for what it really is........a startling reaction of KMCQ's influence in the market. Word on the street is that KMCQ was giving KJR headaches, kind of like a pitbull trying it's best to knock you down. Just goes to show that there is a market for Rhythmic Oldies here in Seattle. And to go deep is a good thing.

Instead, KJR is still up to it's old tricks, and simply added Motown Oldies. How many times can YOU listen to Hotel California?

I'm switching back to KMCQ with it's incredibly deep playlist and moth-infested audio processing.
 
Been listening for a few days. This KJR-FM change is nothing but a couple of 60's songs an hour. Other than that the same KJR-FM. Lots of Steve Miller, Eagle, Journey and Foriegner. Still a Classic Hits station. wonder why they let Jay Kelly go. KVI has a crappy signal, but is more Oldies and seems to be playing more 50's and 60's than when I listened last. KMCQ is all over the board, like a bad Ipod on shuffle. I will miss Smooth Jazz on weekends, but Click is a least something different in Seattle. kind of a younger mountain or star or an older end. They play their powers like Neon Trees about every 2 hours. A little slower than KISS and a bit faster than the end and star. Right in the middle aimed at the 30-40 year old.

one thing is for sure. if you like radio change the end of 2010 was right up your alley.
 
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FMSteve said:
Ok, so let's take this for what it really is........a startling reaction of KMCQ's influence in the market. Word on the street is that KMCQ was giving KJR headaches, kind of like a pitbull trying it's best to knock you down. Just goes to show that there is a market for Rhythmic Oldies here in Seattle. And to go deep is a good thing.

Instead, KJR is still up to it's old tricks, and simply added Motown Oldies. How many times can YOU listen to Hotel California?

I'm switching back to KMCQ with it's incredibly deep playlist and moth-infested audio processing.
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theres some guy on here who posts under the name radio station and the TV guru, who likes to lock horns with ss, and the non industry listening public. he says this "go deep" stuff dont work. ss, says it works, but it just needs to be metered correctly by music clock for the daypart, which must be frankenstein talk to them corporate ladder industry consultant radio gurus . perhaps it just needs a programmer who has the life long knowledge and ear for music, who uses consultant info as a tool, and not as God speak. ya, kinda like the way it used to be.

then again, maybe guru is right, and all 12 listeners who like "deep playlists" and "go deep" oldies, post here, and post often.
.........and now back into the music at warmixjacklick 96, with a great obscure oldie from the eagles called hotel california. har har boys.....
 
This is extremely funny. Clear Channel flipped to oldies for one reason.
They can automate it from San Antonio. Clear Channel is still making serious cuts folks.
This is part of the cuts. This is basically a syndicated corporate dictate.
To get rid of the the "KJR" call letters is too bad. But Clear Channel is all about their deal.
They couldn't care less about people. This is exactly what they did with Gen X. Both formats
are exactly the same, with exact playlists across the country. It is as simple as that.
Clear Channel put no effort in this, why should you?
 
When KJR FM first let Cathy Faulkner go the corporate powers that be put the national format on KJR FM from 7pm to 6am. It sounded like two different radio stations as the formats are quite different. Jay Kelly at the time insisted that KJR FM return to full time local programming.

Corporate insisted on music changes a few more times which Jay Kelly overruled in the interest of ratings and consistency. Thats when you started hearing Neal Diamond in the mix. To get more females.

Each time they tried this the weekly PPM numbers would drop and each time Jay Kelly put his programming back on the PPM would go back up.

As I said in a previous post CC would be idiots to change the format.

They have, and we'll soon see how that does.
 
scott salvatori said:
perhaps it just needs a programmer who has the life long knowledge and ear for music, who uses consultant info as a tool, and not as God speak. ya, kinda like the way it used to be.
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Really! Do tell Scott, when exactly was the "way it used to be"? I'm pretty familiar with radio going well back to at least the 70's and other than small market stations, have never heard of program directors relying on their "life long knowledge and ear for music" to program a major market station. I am always interested in your latest example of revisionist history.

Back in the day, Top 40 stations, had an average playlist count of 150-250 songs, depending on the volume of music coming out of the music industry at the time. Power songs rotated sixty to ninety minutes and yes, they were researched or at least on the Billboard Top 40 before ever hitting the rotation. Research?? Yes, even back then top stations were conducting research. I know this is similar to tipping you off that there is no Easter Bunny, but someone had to do it.
 
re guru post: ive never challenged or lambasted top 40 radio for having tight rotations, and 150-250 song playlists. that was a successful formula in the 70's. i grew up on WLS,WCFL as a young kid, and then KJR and KING from 1975. but, what im gettin at is, one must remember that in many cases it was the musically talented programmer, and or air personality who broke new songs, and created regional hits, based upon his gut sense, of what works, and whats a hit. it was a north east station in the late 70's, who broke the cars " my best freinds girl friend" when it was only a home tape. a record company then took note at the popularity of the song, and rereleased it to the masses, and the rest is history. imagine if that there station was one of todays typical heavy handed corporate behemouth, and consultant dictated entity. i reckon rick ocasek, and the cars would not have made it to our ear canals. and there are hundreds of other examples of this in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. perhaps pat o'day has a few stories..

back then we was young and musically uneducated, and that tight formula worked good. but, here we are now at 40, 50, and 60 years old, and that was decades ago. when it comes to programming todays oldies stations, there is no excuse for that kind of tight ass playlist programming. we are drawing from 2 decades or so of songs, and we are all mature, and musically knowledgable enough to handle more music than a few hundred songs. in many cases the oldies station can actually start digging deeper and selecting old forgotten hits, and songs that maybe charted outside of the top 10 or 20. this can be done with selective music clocking, and dayparting, if nervous about prime time urban drive unfamiliarity. the airstaff can even tease, or presell/backsell with style, some of the stuff that hasnt been played in awhile. lets face it, there is a lot of good long forgotten hits that can be added ie: "brotherhood of man" 3 dog night, "motorcycle mama" sailcat, "clap for the wolfman" guess who, "moonlight feels right" starbuck,"how much love" leo sayer, "aieriel" dean friedman, just to name a few. many of the listeners of that demographic will TSL, as they relive forgotten songs, and memories. unfortunately, most of todays oldie playlists are very clinical, and corporate cookie cutter dictated. just read some of the posts, and how listeners feel about that.

oh, and thanks for ruining my easter, re: the easter bunny!
 
scott salvatori said:
but, what im gettin at is, one must remember that in many cases it was the musically talented programmer, and or air personality who broke new songs, and created regional hits, based upon his gut sense, of what works, and whats a hit. it was a north east station in the late 70's, who broke the cars " my best freinds girl friend" when it was only a home tape. a record company then took note at the popularity of the song, and rereleased it to the masses, and the rest is history. imagine if that there station was one of todays typical heavy handed corporate behemouth, and consultant dictated entity. i reckon rick ocasek, and the cars would not have made it to our ear canals. and there are hundreds of other examples of this in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. perhaps pat o'day has a few stories..

back then we was young and musically uneducated, and that tight formula worked good. but, here we are now at 40, 50, and 60 years old, and that was decades ago. just read some of the posts, and how listeners feel about that.
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I can see how you could make the assumptions about how music made it on stations, but assumptions from a listener perspective can be deceptive. That is, of course the magic/smoke and mirrors of radio after all.

Like many new artists back in the 70's, The Cars were distributed to stations from the record company, I believe in this example EMI, via a 'test pressing'. Actually years later it was found that record reps commonly were making it seem like some stations were given early or advanced releases of new potential hit makers through distribution of these test pressings. Actually it was a marketing strategy, as Apple Computer does today, to generate buzz and get a lot of airplay from important stations nationwide. Like a lot of bands in the day, The Cars may have sent a cassette to various labels looking for a nibble and maybe got some airplay on a local MA station, but that isn't why they became the hitmakers in the late 70's-80's.

Unlike today, back in the 60's and 70's when new music and new artists were plentiful, and the only real way to reach an audience was via radio, program and music directors were in the drivers seat (pardon the pun), who's attention was being sought after by record reps to get airplay. Unfortunately some of that attention was brought about via illegal means, including gifts which may have included drugs and 'special gifts'. The artists that garnered airplay didn't usually get there because of some golden-earred music or program director, more because of pressure to be first on the air with the latest before the competiton got it.

Your example of Pat O'Day as being one of these innovators is somewhat misplaced. Again this may be the Easter Bunny thing, but Mr. O'Day was a very good marketer of the operations in his care, but suffice it to say that many of his stories were just that, stories. I'm fairly certain that both KJR and KING-AM back in the 70's also used music research and consultants. Some others on this board could probably better elaborate on those aspects, but research and consultants are nothing new. Rember Drake-Chenault? Oh wait, no you probably don't.

Oldies programming is not that different than programming anything else, a hit is a hit, whether the song is a current hit or past hits. The Stones, Led Zep, Beatles, and many Motown stars consistently produced the hits that real listeners (not radio hobbyists), remember and have lasted throught the test of time, and thus are what real listeners want. Vary from the hits too far and you'll lose all chances of reaching the majority (winning goal) to suit a small minority (a business killer).
 
guru is right. Play the hits, play them often and you win. Never confuse radio with "art." Radio is mass appeal. KEXP is "art" has passionate fan base, an internet fan base and a one share. Great radio, but not mass appeal radio. Warm was number one and kjr-fm was number two in the Seattle market playing a tight rotation of Christmas music followed by KBKS which plays their top songs every 90 minutes. Play the hits and play them a lot. kmcq is a wide playlist ipod on random shuffle, not mass appeal radio. There is a place for both. KEXP is non-profit as "art" should be. They can afford to be creative and non-mass appeal. KJR is designed to make ratings and profit, pure and simple. KJR is Dancing with the Stars, KEXP is Mad Men.
 
whoa fellers....KEXP huh. you boys make it sound like my postings above regarding oldies programming, dictates that oldies stations would be better off if they played all non hit/non top 40 songs, and deep 60's and 70's album cuts. it is clear to all that i suggest a clever rotation peppering of hit songs, that have not made the corporate cookie cutter oldies 400 song consultant dictated list. many oldies stations are doing this, or at least tossing them in by hand here and there...one feller programming oldies from the north east, posted here a few weeks ago on this subject. if KJR, and KVI keep the same lame, you'll see the formats dissappear again in a few years, just like KBSG, KVI, and KJR have already in prior lives. what killed them then, will kill them again. contests, and 10 in arow gimmicks, can only squeeze out so many ratings, while smart music programming and clocking, and dayparting will keep the TSL. kinda like comparing burning kindling to big oak logs. kindling burns quick and hot, and its gone. but, once an oak log gets goin, it burns long and hot.

regarding the cars song, and story from above post. i got that entire story from casey kasum, and American top40 via XM, just a few weeks ago. so if he misinformed, blame him. do some research, i reckon. also, regarding "the way it used to be comments" i simply made that statement mostly relating to FM album rock stations in the 70's, and should have made that clearer, but it did also apply in many cases to TOP 40 radio, as pointed out.
 
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