In another posting to this board somebody said that they had difficulty getting 1260. 1260 is supposed to be on KKGO HD-3 (which might have been easier solution near downtown). However, I went looking first and while I can find KKGO HD-1 (so I do know that the HD signla is there and locks) I cannot find KKGO HD-2 or KKGO HD-3. Any ideas on when the promised HD-2 and HD-3 might appear.
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KKGO HD-2/HD-3
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Welcome to the world of HD radio :-\. HD radio transmission is unreliable and is often down on one or more of the Los Angeles radio stations at any given time. The KKGO digital signal was off for several days last week. Now HD 1 is back up but HD 2 and 3 were not available as of Monday afternoon. They will probably return soon, and then disappear again later. Don't get too attached to the "stations between the stations" as you will be disapointed with their availability over the long run. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy the programing on them, since my car is old, ignition noise is present on am and the antenna system is flaky, I really like the AM simulcasts in HD. AM 1260 included.
KGIL used to mention that they were also available at www.1260.am as well as KKGO HD3. They have not mentioned the HD simulcast for over a month now. I would think that with a new local talk show, John Ziegler, that it would be good to have that extra audience. The HD2 was previousl Classic Country then Classical period as KMOZART. Maybe they are having technical issues as the HD transmitters appear to be fragile and requiring a lot of work to keep them working.
The main reason I would even go for the HD streams of KKGO is for KMZT which ended up on the am dial at 1260. Since it is on AM now you get the static, the interference and the things associated with an AM radio station. I didn't realize the HD thing was such a problem. I know both Clear Channel and CBS Radio which both own big stations in Los Angeles. Both of there different HD channels seem to work. Clear Channel has pride and erockster. CBS offers Kroq rock of the 80's. At least online I get to hear those channels with no problem.
XavierRenegade said:
Your radio must be stuck in the WayBack machine:
KMZT has not been on AM for two years. 1260 and 540 are now News Talk KGIL. I don't think they've changed the Mexican Calls but 1260 was KSUR, Then KKGO, as country for a few months. In 2007 it was flipped to Classical as KMZT, when the FM at 105.1 became KKGO. It was KMZT for a few months then switched to KGIL, the original calls when they were licensed to San Fernando. The News Talk format started with Michael Jackson, the one who is still with us, and Dr. Drew Pinsky as the star attractions morning and midday. Interestingly enough they also had a daily commentary featuring John Ziegler who now holds down middays. Jackson was thrown under the Big Blue Bus by Mount Wilson and Dr. Drew was canceled by Westwood One, which syndicated his both new talk show and Loveline.
For a while the FM 105.1 HD2 was Classic Country and then several months ago it was supposed to have been K-Mozart. The HD3 was the AM simulcast. I don't have a HD radio but would like someone who does to see if they are now on again.
Let us never forget that the station is owned by Saul Levine and his family. Levine is the last remaining sole operator of any significance in the Los Angeles market. He was also one of the first in L. A. to run an FM (on Mt. Wilson, thus the corporate name.) I believe Levine practiced law, and radio may have begun as a fun project for him, with great hopes for the future, since there was no money on the FM dial way back then. (It would be great to read his memories of his entry into radio and the early days of FM.) It would appear from years of observing his properties that fine tuning (tinkering?) is in his blood. Formats, call letters and personnel have changed like a diva changes her wardrobe. He's made some gutsy moves (think his station WAY out in the desert near Hesperia, but licensed to Costa Mesa, before he did a version of an LMA with the Mexican owners of 540 in Tijuana, then using that to get 1650 [in Torrance, of all places]) which he subsequently unloaded, then was able to convince the Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transportes (FCC equivalent south of the border, with a bit less interest in such things as stations operating with licensed power, etc.) to up the power and move the transmitter from the top of a supermarket! He managed to upgrade the facility of 1260 from 5kw to 20kw days and 7.5kw nights, while retaining the same transmitter site in Mission Hills, very near the former city of license, San Fernando. Now it is licensed to Beverly Hills, adding a bit of pizzaz to 1260. (How did the city fathers of San Fernando ever let that happen--although the FCC no longer really requires any significant service to the COL--or anywhere else for that matter!!!!!!) I would bet Saul spends more than a little time reviewing the rules and regs, the MO&Os, etc., and coming up with new ideas for his properties. Sometimes they really fail, and sometimes they really work. Witness 105.1, which is presumably now generating more revenue than he ever dreamed possible. With things going swimmingly at KKGO, he can afford to adjust and adjust his other station(s) any way he may darned well please. And that includes the program schedule of the month at KGIL. Just don't get too used to anything or anyone on 1260. Or on the HD channels. They may be gone tomorrow. Or Monday!
KKGO HD 2 is back on the air with classical music, and KKGO HD 3 is playing the standards as of noon Sunday. KKGO HD 1 audio sounds bad (way to much compression), but their playlist of current country music is good.
observer8057 said:
KBCA is listed as going on the air in 1959. It joined 20 other LA metro FMs, one of which had gone on the air in 1941 (KHJ-FM) and about 10 or so around 1947 to 1948, with the remainder going on in the 50's right up to the same year as KBCA, the original calls of the station on 105.1. In essence, this was one of the last FMs to go on the air in LA.
Source, Broadcasting Yearbooks, 1943-1960, www.americanradiohistory.com
observer8057 said:
José and Lenard Liberman are not significant? 4 FMs and 2 AM's, and very significant billings.
KBCA is listed as going on the air in 1959. It joined 20 other LA metro FMs, one of which had gone on the air in 1941 (KHJ-FM) and about 10 or so around 1947 to 1948, with the remainder going on in the 50's right up to the same year as KBCA, the original calls of the station on 105.1. In essence, this was one of the last FMs to go on the air in LA.
Source, Broadcasting Yearbooks, 1943-1960, www.americanradiohistory.com
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José and Lenard Liberman are not significant? 4 FMs and 2 AM's, and very significant billings.
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Thanks, David, for posting the facts and correcting my memory. I always enjoy your posts and your corrections. BTW, we all owe you a debt of gratitude for not only keeping us current with reality, but also for your patience and caring in posting all the info on your website, especially the old Broadcasting Yearbooks (and a whole lot more.) I would go nuts trying to undertake such a huge, and welcome, project. I even use your site to remind me of important dates in my career when my memory fails. I really recommend that everyone in our business bookmark your archive site as a desktop icon. (And your personal site tells a terrific tale of one fascinating career.) I am sorry we have never met. Thanks for keeping us honest with the facts and more!
Source, Broadcasting Yearbooks, 1943-1960, www.americanradiohistory.com
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José and Lenard Liberman are not significant? 4 FMs and 2 AM's, and very significant billings.
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Thanks, David, for posting the facts and correcting my memory. I always enjoy your posts and your corrections. BTW, we all owe you a debt of gratitude for not only keeping us current with reality, but also for your patience and caring in posting all the info on your website, especially the old Broadcasting Yearbooks (and a whole lot more.) I would go nuts trying to undertake such a huge, and welcome, project. I even use your site to remind me of important dates in my career when my memory fails. I really recommend that everyone in our business bookmark your archive site as a desktop icon. (And your personal site tells a terrific tale of one fascinating career.) I am sorry we have never met. Thanks for keeping us honest with the facts and more!
observer8057 said:
I appriciate the kind words; I trust I did not come off as overly pedant in my reply (that opens this up to some interesting responses, eh?).
A decade or so ago, i started collecting radio memorabilia, and saw how hard it was to find publications like the Broadcasting Yearbook issues. Libraries are eliminating bulky seldom used stacks, and often they don't even find an eBay consolidator who will resell the things. There are few libraries with the stuff I put together, so I figured I would scan a couple at a time and build the on-line collection... I now have nearly 2000 unscanned Broadcasting Magazine issues, waiting for time. And I'm missing some important Yearbook issues, so if anyone has them please, let's see if we can "make a deal" so they will not be lost forever.
Interestingly, in bidding on the 1935 Yearbook, I met a gentleman who owns and runs a group of AM / FM combos in some rural GA and SC communities. The stations are local, they provide everything from the classic High School football games to swap shop and the other staples of local radio that are lost in so many places. There is some good radio out there, and finding folks like Art Sutton of Georgia-Carolina Radiocasting makes the time spent on this little project very worthwhile.
Finally... last year the Houston frequenters of Radio-Info had a gettogether and quite a few people who only knew each other by usernames met and had what was reported to be an interesting time... event those who never agreed on line. I wonder if the same kind of gathering could be done in LA? Even Glenn could come.
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