KKGO web stream.

[nmoore6676]

Just in the last week or so this message now appears: "Streaming is limited to the following counties: Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, Ventura, San Bernardino and San Diego".

Is this due to licensing fees for music because if it is it could portend a serious curtailment of my listening choices.

As an aside Mount Wilson's other streams (KMZT, and KKGO Classics) are not so restricted.

 

[ercjncpr]

targeted ads, maybe?

 

[Jay Walker]

Just in the last week or so this message now appears: "Streaming is limited to the following counties: Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, Ventura, San Bernardino and San Diego".

Is this due to licensing fees for music because if it is it could portend a serious curtailment of my listening choices.

As an aside Mount Wilson's other streams (KMZT, and KKGO Classics) are not so restricted.

The website stream is not available in Texas either. I too get the same message
"Streaming is limited to the following counties: Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, Ventura, San Bernardino and San Diego"
I'd guess this is a way to reduce the amount of licensing fees by restricting the stream to the LA market only. Fewer listeners equal lower fees. This is indeed a bummer, but with the draconian fees charged to internet stream operators I guess we should have seen this coming.

 

[36james]

this is nothing new you guys, : : they dont stream at all in the Antelope Valley except for KFXM 96.7. thats cause there is not enough ad support to cover the cost, David E, will tell you the same thing, Clear channel makes big bucks so they stream anywhere, but KKGO is NOT a huge money maker for Mt Wilson broadcasting. back east there are companies that own multiple stations, and they stream as well but then again, it comes down to cost and what advertisers will pay to support stations streaming online.

 

[RadioFanBoy]

Interesting....their streaming provider has not put any type of lockdown on their index page:

http://1.ice1.firststreaming.com/

Just scroll down to KKGO IR

 

[MarioMania]

In Vallejo, I could hear the stream

 

[davideduardo]

this is nothing new you guys, : : they dont stream at all in the Antelope Valley except for KFXM 96.7. thats cause there is not enough ad support to cover the cost, David E, will tell you the same thing, Clear channel makes big bucks so they stream anywhere, but KKGO is NOT a huge money maker for Mt Wilson broadcasting. back east there are companies that own multiple stations, and they stream as well but then again, it comes down to cost and what advertisers will pay to support stations streaming online.

While I agree that the reason why the streaming is restricted has to do with not needlessly spending money, I see the underlying issue differently.

KKGO is an independent local station. It does not derive... and likely never will derive.... any revenue from streaming listeners outside the LA metro. But it's a profitable station with no debt service... probably throwing off as much as three or four million dollars in profit a year.

Clear has a national platform in iHeart. They need to have lots of stations and lots of choices that can be selected by users of the iHeart app. So, despite the fact that the streamed stations don't make money directly from any listening outside the market, the corporate streaming model is based on streams.

 

[nmoore6676]

this is nothing new you guys, : : they dont stream at all in the Antelope Valley except for KFXM 96.7. thats cause there is not enough ad support to cover the cost, David E, will tell you the same thing, Clear channel makes big bucks so they stream anywhere, but KKGO is NOT a huge money maker for Mt Wilson broadcasting. back east there are companies that own multiple stations, and they stream as well but then again, it comes down to cost and what advertisers will pay to support stations streaming online.

While I agree that the reason why the streaming is restricted has to do with not needlessly spending money, I see the underlying issue differently.

KKGO is an independent local station. It does not derive... and likely never will derive.... any revenue from streaming listeners outside the LA metro. But it's a profitable station with no debt service... probably throwing off as much as three or four million dollars in profit a year.

Clear has a national platform in iHeart. They need to have lots of stations and lots of choices that can be selected by users of the iHeart app. So, despite the fact that the streamed stations don't make money directly from any listening outside the market, the corporate streaming model is based on streams.

Another reason why Clear Channel is strangling local radio. But my interest is in hearing what I want here in radio hell, Southeastern Iowa. So now one of my choices is gone and I will not support I-Heart as I own a large eclectic collection of music. Just sometimes I want to have live personalities and just kick back and let someone else be the DJ.

 

[davideduardo]

So, despite the fact that the streamed stations don't make money directly from any listening outside the market, the corporate streaming model is based on streams.

Should say, "the corporate streaming mode is based on offering lots of different streams..."

 

[pjc1961]

Interesting....their streaming provider has not put any type of lockdown on their index page:

http://1.ice1.firststreaming.com/

Just scroll down to KKGO IR

The stream that you're referencing is the KKGO Classic Country online-only stream, apparently not affected by this change on the main signal's feed.

Go Country Classics website: http://www.gocountryclassics.com/
Go Country Listen Live player: http://www.gocountryclassics.com/programming/listen/stream/
Direct streaming URL: http://1.ice1.firststreaming.com/kkgo_ir.aac or http://1.ice1.firststreaming.com/kkgo_ir.mp3

The main signal feed is now heard locally (and geo-blocked elsewhere) via this player link: http://www.gocountry105.com/programming/listen/stream/

or via the direct streaming links: http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/KKGOFMAAC.pls
http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/pls/KKGOFM.pls
http://provisioning.streamtheworld.com/asx/KKGOFM.asx

In Vallejo, I could hear the stream

It's possible that since Saul Levine's K-Mozart has tried to build a relationship with the Bay Area (since the move of KDFC to non-commercial status), that may be why you're hearing the stream in Vallejo. Or it's slipped through the online cracks. Or you're listening to the Go Country Classics stream, not the main station's stream.

 

[davideduardo]

Another reason why Clear Channel is strangling local radio.

Why would offering hundreds of stations and lots of pure play options as well be "strangling" radio? I see iHeart and other aggregators as making local radio more widely available in the new media world.

 

[MarioMania]

Now I got

Streaming is limited to listeners in California

So what does this mean?

 

[pjc1961]

Likely it means that KKGO has gotten some complaints, so they've decided to loosen the restrictions a bit (allowing online listening in the state of California as opposed to just certain L.A. area counties).

 

[nmoore6676]

Another reason why Clear Channel is strangling local radio.

Why would offering hundreds of stations and lots of pure play options as well be "strangling" radio? I see iHeart and other aggregators as making local radio more widely available in the new media world.

Strangling because the smaller locally owned and operated stations will be crushed by the big elephant in the room. If some non-clear channel entity wee to come out and start managing the streaming for the smaller guys like i-heart then that would be a good thing. Now I understand they are getting a few non clear channel stations for i-heart but not many.

My issue is that I like an eclectic variety of music and I like to listen to stations that operate with distinct playlists and not just the same songs you get everywhere else. So for example I listen a lot to Joe Mullins' little network of stations in Ohio, to a Classic Rock station in New Jersey, KMZT (which Mt. Wilson still streams out of California). Also KKGO Classics. In addition I catch the programs of some of my friends who are still in radio. None of those are a part of i-heart and probably never will be.

I also stream a couple of local stations that I can not get inside, only when I am outside can I get them clearly. So I have to say that maybe 90% of my listening is on line for which purpose I have good speakers plugged into my confuser. I am looking at getting some kind of internet capable radio but they all look a bit too table radio like only with a much larger price tag. I think I have better sound with my set up now.

 

[Jay Walker]

Another reason why Clear Channel is strangling local radio.

Why would offering hundreds of stations and lots of pure play options as well be "strangling" radio? I see iHeart and other aggregators as making local radio more widely available in the new media world.

Strangling because the smaller locally owned and operated stations will be crushed by the big elephant in the room. If some non-clear channel entity wee to come out and start managing the streaming for the smaller guys like i-heart then that would be a good thing. Now I understand they are getting a few non clear channel stations for i-heart but not many.

My issue is that I like an eclectic variety of music and I like to listen to stations that operate with distinct playlists and not just the same songs you get everywhere else. So for example I listen a lot to Joe Mullins' little network of stations in Ohio, to a Classic Rock station in New Jersey, KMZT (which Mt. Wilson still streams out of California). Also KKGO Classics. In addition I catch the programs of some of my friends who are still in radio. None of those are a part of i-heart and probably never will be.

I also stream a couple of local stations that I can not get inside, only when I am outside can I get them clearly. So I have to say that maybe 90% of my listening is on line for which purpose I have good speakers plugged into my confuser. I am looking at getting some kind of internet capable radio but they all look a bit too table radio like only with a much larger price tag. I think I have better sound with my set up now.

Off topic but...
If independent variety is what you seek, Shoutcast as an example, has an incredible amount of free streams. Some of these streams have several thousand listeners and some have less than ten. You can get any AAC/mp3 stream on any smart phone with a web browser and a player such as winamp, VLC Media player and other free aps.
The issue with some I-Net "radios" is the need for a valid URL such as "streamexample.com"rather than a basic IP address. Usually shoutcast streams can be resolved by entering in the IP such as 1xx.1xx.x.x:8000 into your player. 8000 is the usual default port for Shoutcast type services.