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KKOB PROGRAMMING CHANGES MONDAY

First of all, as to Joy Browne, the fact that her OWN FLAGSHIP, known forcleaing all of their crap regardless of its appeal, has been bounced to nights. Even her own company doesn't want her. She's done. Mark it down. Her only live clearance with more than 6 listeners is wiped out forever.

1050 - a 2 share? I agree with you my friend, but how about a 0.2 share? They're barely at that. And guess what? That's all they want? The point is to lock up the top-rated shows so no one else can make an attempt to seriously compete with 770. Like them or not, Ingraham, Beck, Dr. Laura, etc. are the top second-tier talents.

As to Schultz, nothing against him, and yes, Jones will clear him anywhere, but he tends to be cleared on libtalkers, which are falling. The largest market non-libtalk clearance I'm aware of is KFNX/Phoenix, which airs him late at night for reasons of building their image, not to get listeners.
 
"As to Schultz, nothing against him, and yes, Jones will clear him anywhere, but he tends to be cleared on libtalkers, which are falling."


NOT always the case. Ed is on many stations that have a mix of conservative and liberal programming. That's what you guys at Air America don't understand. That's part of the reason why they are failing. They have tried to get all their shows on the same station in the same market. Many stations don't want their entire lineup so they say no.

Those of us who understand syndication don't care about the political affiliation of hosts on the station. A good syndicator tries to get any station, that's what Jones does when marketing Ed and Steph, and that's what FOX does with Alan Colmes.

As for saying that libtalkers are falling that is a comment that you have not qualified or quantified so I can't comment. Who? What do you mean? Not the case in Albuquerque.
 
You're repeating what I said. Jones WILL clear their hosts anywhere (although I recall seeing Randi Rhodes on a station other than the market AAR affiliate somewhere). So what? Sean Hannity will never be on a liberal-focused station. So why would Stephanie Miller, as you say, be on a conservative one? Yes, I know, the new era of non-ideological talk. Sounds cool, but isn't working. WSAI/Cincy, all the way down the line. Advice talk may eventually work in FM (along with some pay-for-play) but not the way it's been done. And I think we'll see that play out again soon with "3WT" in Washington.

(Aha! That's where Randi's on... WWRC runs Hartmann and infomercials from 3-6pm, but AAR, which is heard on 1260/DC, runs her on Bonneville's :eek: talk trimulcast)
 
" Jones WILL clear their hosts anywhere (although I recall seeing Randi Rhodes on a station other than the market AAR affiliate somewhere)."

it's a station in Miami - WJNO.

" Yes, I know, the new era of non-ideological talk. Sounds cool, but isn't working."

A mix of ideologies has worked for decades on KGO in San Francisco and KIRO in Seattle. Air America managers and programmers of "progressive talk" stations ignore this fact. Result: poor ratings with endless re-runs of Randi Rhodes and Rachel Maddow late into the night and on weekends.
 
ABQTom said:
" Jones WILL clear their hosts anywhere (although I recall seeing Randi Rhodes on a station other than the market AAR affiliate somewhere)."

it's a station in Miami - WJNO.
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No, because there is not an AAR affiliate in WPB (WINZ makes the book but is a Miami-FtL station). So there is no conflict of interest. The station I was referring to, and later mentioned, was the WTWP/Washington trimulcast which airs Randi; whereas, WWRC is the market libtalker/AAR affiliate.

ABQTom said:
" Yes, I know, the new era of non-ideological talk. Sounds cool, but isn't working."

A mix of ideologies has worked for decades on KGO in San Francisco and KIRO in Seattle. Air America managers and programmers of "progressive talk" stations ignore this fact. Result: poor ratings with endless re-runs of Randi Rhodes and Rachel Maddow late into the night and on weekends.
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These are local stations with local talkers that reflect the character of their cities. You could add KFGO/Fargo to the list since Ed Schultz does a local show there. Of course, while he may be liberal, it's a midwestern liberalism. If you think someone like the late Mike Webb could have done a show anywhere other than at a station like KIRO and gotten listeners, you're wrong. Also, stations like KGO and KIRO are more or less full service entities, with news and talk that covers local issues as well as "Page A" type of material, be it world, national, statewide, etc. I could go on and on explaining every detail of this programming philosophy, but suffice it to say that KIRO and KGO are heritage stations which will never again be duplicated. Try starting a new talk station in the Bay Area and achieving what KGO has achieved.

BTW, KFI/Los Angeles could be considered an example under your terms. Bill Handel is a vehemently pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-"tax the rich in certain cases" moderate who just happens to be politically incorrect, and who, according to 800-900,000 people each week, is entertaining.
 
"If you think someone like the late Mike Webb could have done a show anywhere other than at a station like KIRO and gotten listeners, you're wrong."

Webb began his career in San Francisco, and he was also considered for Monterey/Santa Cruz after his KIRO firing.

Also, stations like KGO and KIRO are more or less full service entities, with news and talk that covers local issues as well as "Page A" type of material, be it world, national, statewide, etc. I could go on and on explaining every detail of this programming philosophy,

Which you and I obviously don't agree with the same schools of thought here, because the material has been duplicated on two boards, where we have gone back and forth with no end in sight! so we'll agree to disagree... lol And yes I agree that KFI / L.A. w/ Handel and other local hosts fits into a category as Seattle and SFO. And I admit my ignorance on Colorado - Olinger's KOH 850 and 630 KHOW.
 
Don't know where the Colorado thing comes in, although it's "KOA". (K)KOH is in Reno.

Mike Webb was a decent talent, but SF is even more a case for your argument than Seattle, so no biggie there. Monterey? Barely in the top 75 and no English-speaking resident making under $1 million a year. (hyperbole)
 
Just a minor correction: AAR's Randi Rhodes is on WEST PALM BEACH Clear Channel talker WJNO/1290.

It's not in Miami.

And there's one big reason she is there - she worked there locally for YEARS before going national via AAR. I thought everyone knew that story...it was in all the papers. ;)

Similarly, "Big Ed"'s show would get out-of-(libtalk) format clearance in Fargo no matter what...he's a big local name there.

"3WT" will be interesting to watch, with Randi in PMD on a 50KW AM/FM simulcast, and the lovely Ms. Miller following next month. With Neal Boortz, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck in the mix! Yipes!

"Left, Right and Whatever We Want"? My goodness, that's a train wreck.

I know the Well-Connected Tom brings up KGO, but that's a very, very unique station, and not once on their schedule do they have a "diehard conservative" going before or after a "diehard liberal". The 10 PM-5 AM block is pretty much the latter, but Gene Burns isn't exactly Michael Savage.

I'm not sure you replicate that success A) with current syndicated programming and B) outside of the San Francisco Bay Area. I'd like to see it happen, but I don't think it'd be realistic - and I'd probably be a listener, as all over the map as my own talk radio tastes are.
 
OMW:

I believe I mentioned Randi on 'JNO, and yes, technically it's an AAR affiliate, but to clarify, I was meaning "AAR affiliate" in a 24/7 libtalk way. WJNO is a CC "Newsradio" station that just so happens to have aired Randi locally for so many years.

As to 3WT, yes, a trainwreck... I may be wrong, but you mention Beck, who while rumored to have been moving to 3WT, is still on CC's WTNT. As to Stephanie Miller, perhaps she is replacing Kornheiser? I wasn't sure if they were just burning off a contract there. Don't worry, though; even the conservative talk in middays won't help them - O'Reilly isn't a big ratings getter. WFTK/Cincy recently moved him to evenings making way for more Glenn Beck, who is a much better fit on FM. The reality is O'Reilly is, in a lot of markets, good as a name-builder. If you're a nothing station and want a name to pitch, you'll grab O'Reilly, but you should put him on after 7pm.

BTW, remember how long Ed schultz lasted on Bonneville's KSL? I think we all had a heart attack when that happened, only to see him go away two weeks later.
 
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