KLUC legal ID

[musicman3355]

I just noticed that on the top hour, well mainly on the :50's, KLUC ID's themselves as 98.5 KLUC Las Vegas... but what about the -FM part? Aren't they also supposed to say KLUC-FM Las Vegas?

 

[ToshLV]

no...http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2009/octqtr/47cfr73.1201.htm

 

[davideduardo]

I just noticed that on the top hour, well mainly on the :50's, KLUC ID's themselves as 98.5 KLUC Las Vegas... but what about the -FM part? Aren't they also supposed to say KLUC-FM Las Vegas?

While there are exceptions:

If an FM station has an AM sister station, the FM's calls are KXXX-FM
If an FM has no sister, then the calls are KXXX without the "Hyphen FM" at the end.

The exceptions include cases where the AM only (of an AM FM combo) has changed calls, but the licensee has not requested a modification to eliminate the "-FM" suffix.

Another exception is when the same calls are used by an AM in one market and an FM in another (same or different owners), in which case the FM must use the "-FM" suffix. A good example is KCBS-FM in LA and KCBS in San Francisco... this is co-owned by CBS. Another is WMIA in Arecibo, PR and WMIA-FM in Miami. Not co owned.

 

[w9wi]

I just noticed that on the top hour, well mainly on the :50's, KLUC ID's themselves as 98.5 KLUC Las Vegas... but what about the -FM part? Aren't they also supposed to say KLUC-FM Las Vegas?

While there are exceptions:

If an FM station has an AM sister station, the FM's calls are KXXX-FM
If an FM has no sister, then the calls are KXXX without the "Hyphen FM" at the end.

The exceptions include cases where the AM only (of an AM FM combo) has changed calls, but the licensee has not requested a modification to eliminate the "-FM" suffix.

I believe the last exception you cite applies here. There used to be a KLUC on AM, and as a result 98.5 was assigned KLUC-FM. It remains officially KLUC-FM, even though the AM has long since changed calls.

(so to the point, the OP is correct, they should be IDing KLUC-FM. To be honest I doubt the FCC really cares.)

 

[davideduardo]

I believe the last exception you cite applies here. There used to be a KLUC on AM, and as a result 98.5 was assigned KLUC-FM. It remains officially KLUC-FM, even though the AM has long since changed calls.

Yes, they never filed to have the FM redesignated as "just" KLUC after 1140 went a different direction, call letter wise. They appear in the FCC database as KLUC-FM, not just KLUC.

 

[bilco]

Others have cited possible combinations, but bottom line is what the license says. If it says KLUC-FM that's what's required if KLUC then that is whats required. I just had to correct some ID's on one of my Stations that had the FM after the call but before the city of license when the call sign on the license was only 4 digits. The FCC specifiies that the only thing that can be between the call sign and the city of license is the channel number or licensee name, thus I could identify KWID as "KWID, Las Vegas", or "KWID Channel 270 Las Vegas" or "KWID Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas" but not "KWID FM 101.9 Las Vegas. They could care less what I put after the minimum. I could ID that station as "KWID Las Vegas, Pahrump, Mesquite, Bakersfield and Los Angeles", tho I'd have a hard time proving the last two. but then we might be simulcasting the signal on our stations in Bakersfield and LA in which case I'd have to do distinctive ID's for both so that there was no confusion on which one you were listening to. This of course only applies at the legally required ID at the top of the hour. Any other time, as long as it's not an intent to defraud, almost anything goes.

 

[w9wi]

The FCC specifiies that the only thing that can be between the call sign and the city of license is the channel number or licensee name, thus I could identify KWID as "KWID, Las Vegas", or "KWID Channel 270 Las Vegas" or "KWID Lotus Broadcasting Las Vegas" but not "KWID FM 101.9 Las Vegas.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2009/octqtr/47cfr73.1201.htm, according to 73.1201 there are two additional permissible insertions -- the frequency, and the network affiliation. So "KWID 101.9 Las Vegas" would be legal, as would "KVBC NBC-3 Las Vegas". (DTV stations inserting their channel number in their ID are required to insert their major channel number, implying virtual channel, not physical. Insertion of the "minor" channel is also permissible.)

Not that I'm a lawyer, but might one argue that, since 73.1201 doesn't specify how precise you must be about the frequency, that "KWID FM Las Vegas" would be legal -- because your station's frequency is "FM"?

 

[bilco]

Good catch w9wi. That rule was upgraded on 25 May 2010, just tuesday! thanks for the info.
BIlco

 

[w9wi]

Good catch w9wi. That rule was upgraded on 25 May 2010, just tuesday! thanks for the info.
BIlco

The frequency has been a legal insertion since at least 1996. Network affiliation was not a legal insertion at that time though.

(while I can't prove it, I'm 95% sure network affiliation has been a legal insertion for several years though.)

 

[fybush]

(while I can't prove it, I'm 95% sure network affiliation has been a legal insertion for several years though.)

I think the network affiliation went in there at the same time as the DTV ID rules were updated.

I'd have to go through the archived rules at the hallikainen.com site to be sure.

(Harold's site can be a little misleading - when it says "revised May 25," for instance, it really means "all revisions current as of May 25.")