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KNX Legal ID
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I think the general rule was a legal ID once an hour - as close to the top of the hour as can be, during a natural break in the program.
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Ken Greeb
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K6JHU said:
Ye gods ! How will we live! :
K6JHU said:
That rule changed decade(s) ago... Stephanie mentiones "natural break" and many stations have considered "in the middle of a music sweep" to not be a natural break, and often do the legal ID around :48 or :50, nowhere near the top of the hour. The FCC has never fined or issued a notice of violation as far as I know for these loose interpretations of the meaning of a "natural break" so the KNX compliance is, if anything, rather strict.
DavidEduardo said:
David is correct, I have never heard of anyone getting cited for the legal ID timing. Remember that years ago they were to be at both the top and bottom of the hour. I don't think that a "music sweep" would have qualified since they are generously sprinkled with sweepers and liners so there is no reason not to drop in a legal ID with all of the other self promotion.
I once worked at a classical music station and we always believed that the rules then were made so as not to have to interrupt a symphonic movement or scene in an opera. Nevertheless we were careful to schedule the works so as to allow the breaks as close as possible to the legal time frame for the station ID. In the old days of network radio programming the breaks were hard placed by the network anyway.
ercjncpr said:
The on the half-hour ID requirement was dropped in the early or mid-1970s, IIRC.
And the FCC has gone downhill ever since. ;D
ercjncpr said:
I recall getting a notice of apparent violation at WUNO in 1971 for an ID outside the +/- 2 minute window. At the time, I wrote the Commission that in the summer, WWV reception was very erratic in the Caribbean, and it appeared our ESE radio controlled colcks (about $500 back then) had not synched for days, and were off due to power line cycling variations (usual at that location). They dismissed the notice... but it makes me recall that the ID referenced was at the hour, not the half hour.
I was looking at the FCC rules in the 1938 Radio Annual, and back then, radio stations had to give a station ID with their call letters and location/city/town every 30 minutes, top and bottom of the hour, now called the legal ID. I'm not sure how many years that continued and when it changed to having stations give a legal ID only once an hour, at the top of the hour.
Jim Hilliker
Jim Hilliker
DavidEduardo said:
The half-hour requirement was dropped sometime in 1971 (my first year in radio). If I recall correctly, transmitter reading requirements also changed that year.
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kenglish
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"Sec. 73.1201 Station identification.
(a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification
announcements shall be made:
(1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and
(2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in
program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations
may make these announcements visually or aurally.
(b) Content. (1) Official station identification shall consist of
the station's call letters immediately followed by the community or
communities specified in its license as the station's location; ....."
I remember when there was a "Two minutes, if possible" requirement.
What I'm hearing lately, on some of those satellite-fed, "lock the door and leave" stations, is a Legal ID buried under the audio of one or more incoming network or syndication feeds.
(a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification
announcements shall be made:
(1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and
(2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in
program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations
may make these announcements visually or aurally.
(b) Content. (1) Official station identification shall consist of
the station's call letters immediately followed by the community or
communities specified in its license as the station's location; ....."
I remember when there was a "Two minutes, if possible" requirement.
What I'm hearing lately, on some of those satellite-fed, "lock the door and leave" stations, is a Legal ID buried under the audio of one or more incoming network or syndication feeds.
DavidEduardo said:
Did the power line cycling affect the frequency ocilation beyond acceptable limits?
Sam Lit said:
The power line cycling varied enough to cause electric clocks to need fairly regular adjustment, and that was complicated by frequent power failures. So regular check with WWV were in order, but during some times of the year, the signal did not make it to Puerto Rico... every station had time checks that were a minute or so different!
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