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KNX Los Angeles received in Tampa!

KNX is surprisingly common at my location near Nashville, TN. You can almost always hear their traffic tones in the mess, and they frequently fade up quite nicely and dominate the frequency for a few minutes at a time.

Generally a sports-talk formatted station is the most common pest on 1070 (haven't bothered to positively ID, but assuming WFNI Indianapolis), followed by a gospel type station (also haven't ID'd, but almost certainly WFLI in Southeast TN). Using a Grundig G350 portable, these can be nulled to a certain extent though, and KNX seems to be good in that position.

Having lived in Southern California, it's really cool to hear KNX. KFI was also a favorite of mine, and I'd love to hear it, but have yet to do so - between WSM on the first adjacent, Cuba and Atlanta pests, it seems pretty tough.
 
I snagged KNX tonight in Northern Illinois. It finally came in over CHOK at 12:54AM CST. I heard "KNX newstime 10:54" and then a commercial for a Southern California RV dealer. Then fade out back to CHOK.
This is the first time I've ever heard KNX in the Chicago area at any time other than right before Chicago sunrise.
 
Tried for KNX for about a half hour before dawn this morning. Basically got treated to a half hour of CHOK, with a little WFNI on the side. WTSO was surprisingly absent. KNX might have been somewhere in the background, but there was nothing I could identify.

Anyway, having snagged KNX earlier this month and with others around the Midwest having also done the same, I think we've established that KNX is still doable around here....albeit requiring a little effort along with optimum conditions. We've certainly had some of those lately.

I was at my wife's brother's house on Christmas. He's been a ham radio operator for more than 30 years. He mostly hangs out on 40 and 80 meters, and mainly chats with his buddies around the Midwest. But he was telling me that both bands have had some unusual openings during the past few weeks...including what he described as working a "slew" of Central and South Americans. Presumably on both bands.
 
My brother called last night and said he heard the KNX traffic jingle very weak under the KYW IBOC. I turned my radio on and had mostly CHOK and the same KYW I-BLOC hash, but a station faded up just long enough to hear a single 'Los Angeles' mention. With Los Angeles being such a large city, it could have been anything. It may have even been WFNI (Indianapolis) with ESPN news about the Lakers or Clippers.

The fade-ups on 1070 are very weird and almost behave like meteor scatter on FM. My brother said we could try again for KNX tonight and left with the promise that I will log them by the end of the month.
 
Been trying for KNX since this post started, but in E. TN its very difficult to DX 1070. WFNI dominates, during their fades have been hearing some kind of music, can't tell if its spanish or maybe black gospel (WDIA?). will keep trying.
 
From the Chicago area, I camped on 1070 for about 40 minutes last night (roughly 8:30-9 pm) to see what I could hear. On the whole, a little bit of CHOK, some very quiet fades (which gave me hope), and a whole lot of WTSO Madison which was strong at times. Although logic would dictate that I should be able to get WFNI, that has yet to happen for me (not that Indy would be much of a dx). Not a peep from KNX.

However, the comment about meteor scatter wasn't far off. The night I copied KNX here, I first heard it fade in and out very quickly, but in my case, it eventually faded in strong for several minutes before disappearing into the ether. Very strange phenomenon if you don't understand the causes of propagation.
 
formerjock said:
Been trying for KNX since this post started, but in E. TN its very difficult to DX 1070. WFNI dominates, during their fades have been hearing some kind of music, can't tell if its spanish or maybe black gospel (WDIA?). will keep trying.
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You seem to face many of the same challenges as I do here in Atlanta trying to DX KNX. I noticed while looking on radio-locator at many of the 1070 frequencies east of the Mississippi, most of them have their nighttime pattern lobe going in a SE direction, which makes it very challenging to get KNX anywhere in the Southeast.

That being said, hopefully you will finally get their reception one night soon.
 
Lawppy said:
My brother called last night and said he heard the KNX traffic jingle very weak under the KYW IBOC. I turned my radio on and had mostly CHOK and the same KYW I-BLOC hash, but a station faded up just long enough to hear a single 'Los Angeles' mention. With Los Angeles being such a large city, it could have been anything. It may have even been WFNI (Indianapolis) with ESPN news about the Lakers or Clippers.
I had that happen to me a few times as well - it's either Indy or Madison - frustrating, with what seems to be at least 4 stations on the frequency at any given time.
The fade-ups on 1070 are very weird and almost behave like meteor scatter on FM. My brother said we could try again for KNX tonight and left with the promise that I will log them by the end of the month.
That's so true that the fade ups don't last very long for KNX. They're there for a few minutes and then they're gone. Requires lots of patience to log!
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I *FINALLY* confirmed KNX this evening shortly before 11:00 Michigan time.

Usually with my Superadio pointed just south of due west, I would get CHOK, KYW I-BLOC or WFNI. Tonight however, with the radio in the same spot, I heard a station airing a commercial. Then with no warning at all, they crashed right into the infamous traffic music with mentions of Van Nuys, Anaheim, 405, 105 and the all-important 'money shot' KNX call letter mention. The signal was weak, but listenable.

KNX is 1,890 miles from my location. They are also my new distance record (AM and FM) and I have finally confirmed California. Something I previously thought was impossible. This may be your best shot of hearing California! I'm curious to see if even more distant DX'ers can nail this one.
 
Lawppy said:
I *FINALLY* confirmed KNX this evening shortly before 11:00 Michigan time.

Usually with my Superadio pointed just south of due west, I would get CHOK, KYW I-BLOC or WFNI. Tonight however, with the radio in the same spot, I heard a station airing a commercial. Then with no warning at all, they crashed right into the infamous traffic music with mentions of Van Nuys, Anaheim, 405, 105 and the all-important 'money shot' KNX call letter mention. The signal was weak, but listenable.

KNX is 1,890 miles from my location. They are also my new distance record (AM and FM) and I have finally confirmed California. Something I previously thought was impossible. This may be your best shot of hearing California! I'm curious to see if even more distant DX'ers can nail this one.
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From Cleveland, I got KNX several nights back in late 1995, even recorded a couple top-of-hour ID's from one night, the second one was clear as a bell. That was a very cold winter across the country, much like this year, which probably helped. Never heard it again after that.

So far, no luck this year, KYW's IBOC is way too strong here to hear anything but the strongest signals on 1070.
 
Pulled in KNX again (positive ID) from the Chicago area just after 9:00 pm CST. It was weaker this time, but would still occasionally surface out of the mush to be audible for a minute or two out of every 8 to 10.

Two things in common with the last time I got it here: 1) another snowy evening (not sure how that would affect propagation to be honest); and, once again CFAC was dominant at 960. However, as was the case with KNX, CFAC wasn't as strong as the last time I tapped into such an opening. Within an hour, CFAC went away and KMA Shenandoah, IA was dominant; and CHOK ruled 1070.

No shot at anything else from the far west last night, though I again suspect that I was hearing KOFI Kalispell in WHAM's null. Once again, I could not ID it, but they were playing 70s music and the signal was strongest to the WNW.
 
I think I can consider KNX a semi regular or even regular here in Tampa at night because I've been listening to 1070 on and off the past three nights and confirmed an ID twice.

Even before I got my first official catch of KNX, WAPI always ruled the frequency unless it was into a fade cycle and there was almost always some talk/news station in the background that never was good enough to make out exactly what they were saying.

The more I've listened to 1070, the more I'm convinced that's been KNX all along but it only pops in strong enough for very short durations to be able to hear word for word.

Lately, it seems KNX has had a better signal here than even some stations from the northeast!

The reception of KNX got me thinking about 740 and the possibility of KCBS. Last night, I spent at least an hour and a half listening to 740 which of course is dominated by WYGM with KTRH in the background and another even weaker station that sounds like news and/or talk.

Last night during the fade cycles of WYGM, KTRH dominated for those brief periods and that other mystery station was there a little stronger than normal as well but with all the sound from WYGM and their playback of the college championship game, it got in the way of being able to hear much of the unidentified station.

There's a possibility it could be WMSP from Montgomery, Alabama but they are only 233 w. WSRB from Boca Raton, Florida is only is nulled out in my direction. KRMG Tulsa, OK also has a null in this direction.

If only I could get some ID. ???
 
gar fla said:
The reception of KNX got me thinking about 740 and the possibility of KCBS. Last night, I spent at least an hour and a half listening to 740 which of course is dominated by WYGM with KTRH in the background and another even weaker station that sounds like news and/or talk.
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I was going to say KCBS would be impossible in the East -- due to their protection of Toronto -- but then I looked at their pattern.

It does protect Toronto, but it beams their power southeast. There may well be enough in the direction of South Florida to make them a possibility.

It's going to be tough. Just like every other frequency these days, there's a LOT of interference from closer-in stations. But it looks like there *is* a fair amount of energy headed your way...
 
w9wi said:
gar fla said:
The reception of KNX got me thinking about 740 and the possibility of KCBS. Last night, I spent at least an hour and a half listening to 740 which of course is dominated by WYGM with KTRH in the background and another even weaker station that sounds like news and/or talk.
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I was going to say KCBS would be impossible in the East -- due to their protection of Toronto -- but then I looked at their pattern.

It does protect Toronto, but it beams their power southeast. There may well be enough in the direction of South Florida to make them a possibility.

It's going to be tough. Just like every other frequency these days, there's a LOT of interference from closer-in stations. But it looks like there *is* a fair amount of energy headed your way...
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Hmmmm, I tend to think that their pattern is still pulled in too far to be heard in Florida.

Anything is possible, of course, but the skywave of that lobe would appear to head beyond LA, Bakersfield and Palm Springs and into Arizona before skipping along the west coast of Mexico. There's a huge difference between this pattern and the non-directional one of KNX (which is also 350 miles closer to Florida).

You'd need a lobe that was about 30 degrees farther east than KCBS' is in order to hit Houston and Florida. Which is a natural segue into WHY this is as it is: protection of KTRH, which lies directly between FL and SFO.

A better bet would be to shoot for KFI.
 
According to the nighttime pattern map fpr KTRH, I shouldn't be getting them much if at all because they seem to have a perfect null right in this direction and then most of their signal goes south.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KTRH&service=AM&status=L&hours=N

But I do get a good signal from KTRH and it would much better if it weren't for WYGM in Orlando.

KCBS isn't even perfectly nulled in this direction so that and the fact that KTRH comes in so well is what makes me think there's a possibility KCBS could be there.

I'm still waiting for KFI too but I'm surprised I don't hear anything that even could possibly be KFI in the background lately.

Strange how KNX is present as much as it is while KFI isn't.
 
BRNout said:
You'd need a lobe that was about 30 degrees farther east than KCBS' is in order to hit Houston and Florida. Which is a natural segue into WHY this is as it is: protection of KTRH, which lies directly between FL and SFO.
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I'd say that it would be at least that amount. For reference, the main concentration of power in the KCBS nighttime lobe is at about 150 degrees or basically south-southeast. The Tampa area lies about 95 degrees or almost due east from their site, using great circle plotting. That would make reception there quite difficult. Two other observations: Toronto lies directly within a null from KCBS, to the east-northeast as you might expect, and while KTRH isn't exactly within a null it's located roughly to the east, placing it outside KCBS's main lobe.
 
gar fla said:
I'm still waiting for KFI too but I'm surprised I don't hear anything that even could possibly be KFI in the background lately.

Strange how KNX is present as much as it is while KFI isn't.
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I'd think 640 would be a tough frequency in the Southeast. KNBR might be worth trying, but I'd also think 680 would be just a tough as 640 if not worse.
 
The one time I did get KFI here was just about a year ago and the signal was much stronger than that of KNX.

As relatively good as it was while it lasted, I'd think it would happen more often but I haven't heard it again since.

Wonder why that is.

I want to hear it again so I can get it on video this time. Looks like many nights ahead of waiting and waiting. :-\
 
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