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KNX numbers, FM vs AM

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The question then is this.... other than bemoaning that "it's all but over", what are you doing to champion the strengths of the medium?
I, individually, have no role. Nor do I have a particular interest in cheerleading for an industry in decline.
The strengths of the medium are very limited in today's competitive environment, which means there is nowhere for radio executives to pivot.

So again, if you feel strongly that it's all over but the crying, I'm not here to convert you, But before you attack me, maybe ask yourself why you even bother to come here?
I still find radio & TV interesting, even if I realize now I'm never going to be a big time jock in a major market.
 
The 1-A clears for the US are 640, 650, 660, 670, 700, 720, 750, 760, 770, 780, 820, 830, 840, 870, 880, 890, 1020, 1030, 1040, 1100, 1120, 1160, 1180, 1200, 1210.

There are some decent 1-B (former) clear channel stations that are non-directional such as 680 in San Francisco, 1070 in LA and 810 in Schenectady. There are also some very directional ones such as those that were the result of the breakdown of the clears in the 70's... three in Nevada and ones like Roswell on 1020 and Lexington on 880 or Boise on 670 that could possibly run non-directional in a pinch; they are too far from large metros that might be affected by a disaster to be useful, though.

A good example might be Seattle. There are a number of stations that are 50 kw at least in the daytime, and some might be able to run non-directional with some engineering work. But if the Seattle area were so affected by the possible monumental earthquake that no station was standing, then there is no AM close enough and powerful enough to put a signal into the market day and night... the closest thing would be to use a Vancouver, BC station.

And both of those stations are in areas with such horrible ground conductivity that they do not really cover the outskirts of their own metros well.

The 1-A clears fought the FCC for nearly 30 years and even had an association to promote high power. The FCC kept pushing them back and finally the Commission started allowing additional 50 kw stations on the 1-A clears, making futher efforts impossible.

And any effort to increase power on an existing non-directional clear will cause overlap with adjacent channel stations that have come on the air since the effort to upgrade to 500 to 750 kw was finally put to rest in the late 60's. So if WLW wanted to go to 100 kw or 250 kw, they would find that newer stations on 690 and 710 make that impossible.
Isn’t 1130 in shreveport a clear channel am?
 
Give away Sony ICFP26 AM/FM radios (they retail for about $20 and are good radios).

Possibly get the 10 top rated AM and FM stations in the radio market to contribute to make the Sony radio free, the radio packaging would promote each of the 10 stations and emphasize that radio listening is free.

SmartPhone streaming can't compete with free.


Kirk Bayne
 
Just as long as that disaster happens after sunset.

I went to my DXing radio just now and tried to tune some of the midwestern clear channel stations, high noon on a Sunday. I live in rural Kentucky, so that's where I'd turn first.
WSM: Not audible
WLW: Not audible
WHAS: Poor signal, but the best of the bunch...
Chicago clears: (WGN, WLS, WBBM): Not audible
KMOX: Not audible
Those stations aren't meant to be heard over long distances during the day. The FCC licensed a lot of small local stations on those same frequencies and allowed them to operate during the day. Once again, that's the government, not local radio owners.

WSM is only meant to be heard for a radius of about 100 miles during the day.

There's Tennessee ground conductivity, but it's still a 50,000 watt Class A. I only included WLAC because it would have information, such as the middle Tennessee floods awhile back. The groundwave doesn't get here
Skywave, of course, works best at nighttime on the MW band, because the D-layer somewhat dissipates. However, shortwave stations above 9 Mhz can bounce around during the daytime.

As for Groundwave, it can travel a decent distance, but ground Conductivity is bad in the southeast. Interestingly though, if you put WSB on 300 khz instead of 750, with the same wattage, you would recieve it farther away. CBK Saskatoon at 540 is 50kw, and can be heard 500 miles away during the day, with maybe a local coverage zone of about 125 miles.
 
Isn’t 1130 in shreveport a clear channel am?
It is not what was formerly a 1-A clear channel. It was a 1-B before the reclassification and it is highly directional. There are quite a few of those stations on channels like 680, 710, 810, 850, 1000, 1010, 1060, 1070, 1080, 1090, 1110, 1130, 1140, 1170, 1190, 1500, 1510, 1520, 1530, 1540.
 
Skywave, of course, works best at nighttime on the MW band, because the D-layer somewhat dissipates. However, shortwave stations above 9 Mhz can bounce around during the daytime.
Shortwave around 3 mHz and 5 mHz in the tropical bands bounces all day long, but in smaller regions. I owned, briefly, a SW station in Ecuador and with just 500 watts it covered most of the region (about 10 provinces) in the daytime, and the whole country at night.
As for Groundwave, it can travel a decent distance, but ground Conductivity is bad in the southeast. Interestingly though, if you put WSB on 300 khz instead of 750, with the same wattage, you would receive it farther away. CBK Saskatoon at 540 is 50kw, and can be heard 500 miles away during the day, with maybe a local coverage zone of about 125 miles.
The ground conductivity in the Atlanta zone is 0.5 to 1.0 in most areas. In the area around Manitoba, it is 30. There is a 5 kw station on 570 in SD that covers portions of 7 states where it serves farmers and makes a great deal of money doing so.
 
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1130 is a shared US/Canadian clear. It is used in Shreveport, New York and Vancouver BC. All three are or at least were Class 1B.
And, unlike the former 1-A clears, there is a lot of other stuff on 1130, including large signals in Milwaukee, Detroit, San Diego and Minneapolis
 
SmartPhone streaming can't compete with free.
Streamers compete with free by also being free. So there are several ad-supported streaming services, most notably from YouTube, Pandora and Spotify. Many Americans have subscriptions to ad-free music services as part of bundles with something else. Amazon Prime comes with Prime Music, for example, so over 1/3 of Americans have that subscription.

Keep in mind: around 95% of working age US adults have a smartphone already, so the hardware cost is already baked in.
 
One clear doing well by using their 50 kw AM coverage is kgo 810 san Francisco. Has loud daytime signal Mendocino to Monterey to Sacramento and a bit beyond each. Daytime talk show hosts very progressive and refer to area codes calls and texts come from including 916 Sacramento and 831 Monterey. Does not have an fm do it or advertises 810 but also promotes Google smart speakers. One of the hosts 4 to 7 pm John Rothman does ads for c crane radio.

Also loud in the same coverage area is 680 knbr which is now sports talk and the flagship for the sf giants. In Sacramrnto there is no local giants affiliate because knbr is so loud.

Kcvs 740 different story.At night .use protect Edmonton 740 so it effectively nulls Sacramento. Knx actually has a louder night signal.
 
Shortwave around 3 mHz and 5 mHz in the tropical bands bounces all day long, but in smaller regions. I owned, briefly, a SW station in Ecuador and with just 500 watts it covered most of the region (about 10 provinces) in the daytime, and the whole country at night.
That's awesome!
The ground conductivity in the Atlanta zone is 0.5 to 1.0 in most areas. In the area around Manitoba, it is 30.
Yeah, I realize that. I think I just used the wrong analogy here.
There is a 5 kw station on 570 in SD that covers portions of 7 states where it serves farmers and makes a great deal of money doing so.
WNAX just amazes me with their signal.
 
Keep in mind: around 95% of working age US adults have a smartphone already, so the hardware cost is already baked in.

Whether you pay for a music service or not, you have to register for it, and they typically want a lot of personal information, including a credit card number. So regardless if it's free, privacy can be an issue. Not so for OTA radio.
 
Whether you pay for a music service or not, you have to register for it, and they typically want a lot of personal information, including a credit card number. So regardless if it's free, privacy can be an issue. Not so for OTA radio.
It can't be particularly important to many people if 95% are already on board!
 
A person still needs to pay for a smartphone plan to get the ad supported streamed content, all an AM/FM radio needs is batteries.
One would assume that essentially all of the 95% of US adults with a smartphone already have a service plan to go with it. So yes, but it is not an added expense.

Whether you pay for a music service or not, you have to register for it, and they typically want a lot of personal information, including a credit card number. So regardless if it's free, privacy can be an issue. Not so for OTA radio.
Where did you come up with this idea?
Pandora, for instance, asks for email address, age, city and gender. Spotify is similar: email, date of birth, gender.
If that's enough to steal your identity, then we probably ought to stop anyone from posting their birthday on Facebook.
 
If that's enough to steal your identity, then we probably ought to stop anyone from posting their birthday on Facebook.

Date of birth is the way health providers and banks determine identity, so yes, I'd recommend keeping the DOB off social media. If someone has your name, DOB, and address they can steal your identity.

Apple Music and Amazon both want credit card number. Unless you're already in their system through Apple ID or Amazon Prime.
 
Date of birth is the way health providers and banks determine identity, so yes, I'd recommend keeping the DOB off social media. If someone has your name, DOB, and address they can steal your identity.
That is why most places like Facebook allow day and month but not "year" for birthdays.
 
One clear doing well by using their 50 kw AM coverage is kgo 810 san Francisco.
They are not doing "well" by any concept. No significant ratings, no decent billings. Many people CAN hear them, but most DON'T.
 
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