KNX Talk at Night?

[davideduardo]

As the OP here, this thread is about KNX and Audacy's purported plan to tinker with the 24/7 clock at its all-newsers. Note to Kat, John and Daryl... this is NOT a thread about Rich Lieberman's 415 Media, and frankly it is mean spirited to attack him here.

It's not a mean-spirited thing to do when nearly everything I have read from Lieberman before I swore to never read him again was angry, distorted and vitriolic. His tone is, in my opinion, totally negative towards broadcasters and the pros in the business

Rich puts himself out there in his market to gather and report scoops and opinions. Many in the fourth estate in SFO (and other markets) appreciate the efforts he invests in producing 415 Media and feed him scoops of breaking and pending news he has then published over the years.

If you follow commentary about him elsewhere online, it's reported that he apparently gets much of what he writes wrong, and has other symptoms of acute nastiness, including his terrible negative remarks about minority media.

His influence is evidenced in the efforts by some in the newsroom at KGO television in 2020 to deprive him of advertising revenue, and in the KCBS radio newsroom this week to block him from having any contact with employees there.

As well they should, given that they apparently believe him to have a history of misquoting or incorrectly paraphrasing supposed interviews. In that case, those stations consider that it is dangerous to talk to him

Rich puts himself out there far more prominently than any of us here on Radio Discussions... so let's stick to the news (pun intended) in this thread's subject line, and not to blogger shaming, so that one can feel "holier than thou".

There is no shaming in discussing disagreement with any blogger when it is felt that they don't do a good or fair job of reporting or analyzing. For those who like Rich's blog, keep right on reading it. Some of us just don't find it appealing.

 

[michael hagerty]

As the OP here, this thread is about KNX and Audacy's purported plan to tinker with the 24/7 clock at its all-newsers. Note to Kat, John and Daryl... this is NOT a thread about Rich Lieberman's 415 Media, and frankly it is mean spirited to attack him here. Rich puts himself out there in his market to gather and report scoops and opinions. Many in the fourth estate in SFO (and other markets) appreciate the efforts he invests in producing 415 Media and feed him scoops of breaking and pending news he has then published over the years. His influence is evidenced in the efforts by some in the newsroom at KGO television in 2020 to deprive him of advertising revenue, and in the KCBS radio newsroom this week to block him from having any contact with employees there.

Rich puts himself out there far more prominently than any of us here on Radio Discussions... so let's stick to the news (pun intended) in this thread's subject line, and not to blogger shaming, so that one can feel "holier than thou".

Given that this Audacy “plan” has been reported in exactly one place—-Rich’s blog—-his credibility is absolutely relevant to any discussion about it.

Between previous “any day now” predictions and his own antagonistic style (which has included sexist vendettas against women in broadcasting, KCBS ND Jen Seelig most recently and most sustained), that credibility is an open question.

Calling attention to this isn’t “blogger shaming”, it’s an assessment of where Rich falls on (or off) the spectrum of reliable, responsible journalism.

 

[henry]

I wonder what the breakdown is for KNX In Depth.

Personally, I (late-30s male) hear it and generally punch out to someplace else. The few times I do get sucked in, I do stick around for a bit. Maybe trading the cume for TSLs?

It would be very sad if KNX dumped overnights. When I have to be on the freeways in the middle of the night (or even in the middle of the country, on I-80 in Wyoming or Nebraska) it's comforting to pull up KNX on the Audacy app and know there's somebody alive and awake at that hour. Granted, I'm sure the revenue is horrible.

 

[KilowattKat]

As the OP here, this thread is about KNX and Audacy's purported plan to tinker with the 24/7 clock at its all-newsers. Note to Kat, John and Daryl... this is NOT a thread about Rich Lieberman's 415 Media, and frankly it is mean spirited to attack him here. Rich puts himself out there in his market to gather and report scoops and opinions. Many in the fourth estate in SFO (and other markets) appreciate the efforts he invests in producing 415 Media and feed him scoops of breaking and pending news he has then published over the years. His influence is evidenced in the efforts by some in the newsroom at KGO television in 2020 to deprive him of advertising revenue, and in the KCBS radio newsroom this week to block him from having any contact with employees there.

Rich puts himself out there far more prominently than any of us here on Radio Discussions... so let's stick to the news (pun intended) in this thread's subject line, and not to blogger shaming, so that one can feel "holier than thou".

Yes, Rich puts himself out there in his market...spreading unfounded rumours and writing nasty, vicious comments regarding the very people he should be accurately reporting on, and be respectful of. Jennifer Seelig as any good manager would do, is simply trying to prevent the toxic, paranoid atmosphere that Lieberman, and not her, seems to want to instigate and see happen. Protecting ithe newsroom and place of business that she is responsible for by cutting off employee communication with him is the absolute right thing to do.

And mean spirited attacks on him? I didn't see anything in your post about how you feel regarding HIS mean spirited attacks. With your defense of him, and not addressing any of his behavior, does this mean you either don't believe any of it, even when it's brought to the public by a group of over 20 women? I certainly hope it's not because you don't find anything wrong with it.

 

[davideduardo]

And mean spirited attacks on him? I didn't see anything in your post about how you feel regarding HIS mean spirited attacks. With your defense of him, and not addressing any of his behavior, does this mean you either don't believe any of it, even when it's brought to the public by a group of over 20 women? I certainly hope it's not because you don't find anything wrong with it.

Or "David" is just a sock puppet from Rich.

 

[david]

Or "David" is just a sock puppet from Rich.

You know David, as one of the admins here, it is embarrassing you would stoop to name calling. You and I have communicated separate from this board, so you know mine is not a false online identity. In fact, the nom de plume you yourself use on this board is well known to not be your true surname... which is fine. But name calling "sock pocket" - that's beneath you - and I would expect you to pen a retraction as we all should endeavor in this forum and elsewhere to be kind to each other.

Kat, my "defense" is for recognizing someone who puts effort into producing content that requires true shoe leather gumption. One does not need to assess an entire writer's bio before deciphering if they want to read their content. Does one need to research the life story of Frank Bruni or Dana Milbank before Kat will allow them to read and quote their writings?

You may not like the content produced, but at least respect the effort, and the audience the aforementioned blogger has cultivated. How dare you accuse me of condoning a scenario simply because I acknowledge the editorial effort it takes to cultivate sources so to occasionally break news stories, such as this potential Audacy format realignment?

Lastly, if lurkers bother to look at the quote I have used for YEARS, it would be smart to take this message to heart and utilize it in your posts: Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle. -- Ian Maclaren

 

[davideduardo]

You know David, as one of the admins here, it is embarrassing you would stoop to name calling.

Asking whether you might be a sock puppet for another person based on a base-less defense of that person is a valid question.

You and I have communicated separate from this board, so you know mine is not a false online identity. In fact, the nom de plume you yourself use on this board is well known to not be your true surname... which is fine.

It's my first two given names, just like a number of artists and composers use.

But name calling "sock pocket" - that's beneath you - and I would expect you to pen a retraction as we all should endeavor in this forum and elsewhere to be kind to each other.

I asked that as a question because your defense of a widely discredited and rejected blogger seems unusual, given the immense number of rejections that blog has.

You may not like the content produced, but at least respect the effort, and the audience the aforementioned blogger has cultivated. How dare you accuse me of condoning a scenario simply because I acknowledge the editorial effort it takes to cultivate sources so to occasionally break news stories, such as this potential Audacy format realignment?

I can't think of one story he has broken during the time I regularly visited his blog (which I no longer due in an effort to keep my blood pressure low).

Lastly, if lurkers bother to look at the quote I have used for YEARS, it would be smart to take this message to heart and utilize it in your posts: Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle. -- Ian Maclaren

That's rather inspirational, but the fact is that Rich is not. Your defense is not in order since his vitriolic posts, total disrespect for women and disregard for ethnic media are widely recognized as such.

 

[Mikey Radio]

As the OP here, this thread is about KNX and Audacy's purported plan to tinker with the 24/7 clock at its all-newsers.

And as the OP of a number of other threads on this site, I can vouch for the fact that, numerous times I've started a thread expecting it to go in one particular direction or to stay on a certain topic, and within 10 posts, it sometimes goes in a completely different direction and into completely different topics. But then again, for me, that's what makes this site fun. You never know in which direction certain threads will take us. In the case of this one, we've gone into Lieberman, Larry King, Bohannon's name's come up...And Scott Fybush even snuck in an appearance. Good stuff overall!

 

[Rusty Muck]

Well, not all of us, hopefully. (But I don't think guys like Lieberman are a credit to the profession at all.)

Not that I’m patronizing or elevating onto pedestals (I’m seriously not; I filled in for the person behind Ohio Media Watch at times, it’s NOT easy at all) but you and Lance have attention to detail, thoughtfulness and… most importantly… humility. Both your sites and RadioInsight are respected news sources in the industry, with credible content alliances.

Rich lacks all of that and it’s why he deserves to be called out the way he is.

 

[ercjncpr]

So this has quickly turned from a discussion about a rumored format change to an juvenile blog war that is worthy of teenagers on Facebook 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[michael hagerty]

So this has quickly turned from a discussion about a rumored format change to an juvenile blog war that is worthy of teenagers on Facebook 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'd argue that it's turned into a discussion about a juvenile blog that is worthy of teenagers which is single-handedly starting the rumor about a format change. Rich's credibility and tactics are absolutely fair game in whether there's any reason to give credence to the rumor.

 

[davideduardo]

And as the OP of a number of other threads on this site, I can vouch for the fact that, numerous times I've started a thread expecting it to go in one particular direction or to stay on a certain topic, and within 10 posts, it sometimes goes in a completely different direction and into completely different topics. But then again, for me, that's what makes this site fun. You never know in which direction certain threads will take us. In the case of this one, we've gone into Lieberman, Larry King, Bohannon's name's come up...And Scott Fybush even snuck in an appearance. Good stuff overall!

And that is why the topic moderation here is very loose and flexible on their subjects. While inappropriate language, ad hominums and the like are quickly attended to, it is really interesting to see where a topic leads us.

 

[davideduardo]

I'd argue that it's turned into a discussion about a juvenile blog that is worthy of teenagers which is single-handedly starting the rumor about a format change. Rich's credibility and tactics are absolutely fair game in whether there's any reason to give credence to the rumor.

The idea that 6 of the 25 highest billing stations in the country* would switch to an unproven format at night is absurd on face value: "Rich Lieberman's 415 Media is sharing speculation of a new, probably nighttime format change at every Audacy all-news station, set to debut around January, where the 7-12 midnight time frame --or even more dramatically, 7 PM to 5AM overnight would change to newstalk."

*NY (2) Chicago, LA, SF, Detroit

 

[Rusty Muck]

The idea that 6 of the 25 highest billing stations in the country* would switch to an unproven format at night is absurd on face value: "Rich Lieberman's 415 Media is sharing speculation of a new, probably nighttime format change at every Audacy all-news station, set to debut around January, where the 7-12 midnight time frame --or even more dramatically, 7 PM to 5AM overnight would change to newstalk."

*NY (2) Chicago, LA, SF, Philly

And especially when KNX’s migration to FM is all but meant to do the opposite, to take an existing and proven format and make it more accessible.

 

[TheBigA]

The idea that 6 of the 25 highest billing stations in the country* would switch to an unproven format at night is absurd on face value:

The problem is he's basing his story on the hiring of one person in one market.

Anita Bonita is a news anchor right now at WCBS in NYC. At one time, she was part of the Morning Zoo at Z-100. Should her hiring at WCBS be used as an indication that this all news station is going to flip to CHR? Of course not. That's how ridiculous this story is.

 

[Marcos_C]

The problem is he's basing his story on the hiring of one person in one market.

Anita Bonita is a news anchor right now at WCBS in NYC. At one time, she was part of the Morning Zoo at Z-100. Should her hiring at WCBS be used as an indication that this all news station is going to flip to CHR? Of course not. That's how ridiculous this story is.

I agree. It's really the same situation as when news anchor Judy DeAngelis moved from 66 WNBC to 1010 WINS in 1988.

 

[ercjncpr]

But speculating for just a moment… what would really be wrong with bringing back the intelligent talk format that KNX had from approximately 7-11:30pm back in the early to mid 60s

 

[TheBigA]

But speculating for just a moment… what would really be wrong with bringing back the intelligent talk format that KNX had from approximately 7-11:30pm back in the early to mid 60s

It's being done now on KPCC.

 

[michael hagerty]

I mentioned it in an earlier post, but it got lost in the deluge:

KCBS’s hire immediately before Pat Thurston was Alisa Clancy, coming straight off 20+ years as the morning DJ at KCSM.

Should that suggest KCBS is going jazz?

 

[Rusty Muck]

But speculating for just a moment… what would really be wrong with bringing back the intelligent talk format that KNX had from approximately 7-11:30pm back in the early to mid 60s

What may have worked in 1963 has zero guarantee of working again in 2023.