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I forgot to mention yesterday that when Larry worked at KMPX.......he was....Larry The Lion.
Jerry Gordon
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geek-orama said:
In the Bill Conway situation it was probably cost cutting, but KOIT is an AFTRA station so replacing Julie Deppish and Larry Ickes would be the same cost.
calguy said:
How long will the union allow a shift to be? In New Orleans Andy Holt's Entercom AC had a noon to 8P shift
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I have been an AFTRA member since diapers and have never heard of any rule regarding shift length.
Each station usually has it's own agreement with AFTRA. In some cases you can be fired without cause in others you can't.
Thats based on the old staff contract. If you have a personal contract that usually is adhered to but they can fire you but will have to pay you for the rest of the contract period. That's what happened to me when Cap Cities bought ABC in 1988 and they decided to discontinue the "Five O'Clock Shadow" on KGO-TV.
Do you know if that station in New Orleans was union. A lot of stations in the south aren't.
Jerry Gordon
Each station usually has it's own agreement with AFTRA. In some cases you can be fired without cause in others you can't.
Thats based on the old staff contract. If you have a personal contract that usually is adhered to but they can fire you but will have to pay you for the rest of the contract period. That's what happened to me when Cap Cities bought ABC in 1988 and they decided to discontinue the "Five O'Clock Shadow" on KGO-TV.
Do you know if that station in New Orleans was union. A lot of stations in the south aren't.
Jerry Gordon
Julie had quite a run--Very hard worker and deciated radio talent! Wish her only the best.
Lkeller said:
The whole value of college is being questioned a lot lately. What good is it to graduate with a boatload of debt with no job to pay it off?, ask many recent acquirers of sheepskin.
The one thing that somehow gets left out nowadays is establishing competence. Can you show that you can do the job, with or without diplomas, with or without experience? That's too deep a question for employers who think the key to hiring is going gaga over keyword resume databases. Some of us actually believe in speaking shop and work, as hiring manager and/or candidate.
Meanwhile on the subject of old vs. new, this is seen a lot in the world of Web site layouts and user interfaces, radio stations included. You typically see a site change what's worked for several years when a new manager comes in. He may get the new assignment through acquisition or attrition. He has to justify his existence.
I've been on both sides, the one doing the replacement and the one being replaced. Oddly enough, some things in technology are not necessarily advancements. Then again, you roll with the changes.
It always intrigues me (since my 20's) that nobody gets younger. That's one reason I was nice to my elders, hoping karma would come back that way. Apparently that's obsolete!
Questor said:
In the high-demand industries (programming, web development, etc) as well as the easy-to-get jobs (sales clerk, manual labor, etc) the emphasis is always on younger people because they'll work cheaply, won't unionize, and will work overtime without complaints.
But in the low-demand but specialized fields such as craft carpentry, blacksmithing, bookbinding, high-end photography, experience counts for a lot, and thus you'll see older people in those jobs. They're hard to get because there aren't many of them, and the skill level required is very high. But lots of older people do these jobs.
As an example, I have various friends who are part of the "steam punk" movement. They build steam engines, lots of Jules Verne kinds of things. This is hobby stuff for them because they can command high pay doing contract work, etc. I know a craft carpenter right now who had a huge bar redesign project fall into his lap. He wasn't looking for it, but his reputation is so good that they sought him out. I believe he's 45 or 50.
But this ain't gonna happen in broadcasting or any other high-demand field where the bosses can pick and choose, and will usually go with the cheapest greenhorn they can find. Sure, there are exceptions, but not many.
SOUNDS like it, too, therefore any boss who makes that kind of shoddy decision - bottom line only, without regard for the on-air product - is a boss that is only operating from partial focus (nice way to say "Half assed"). I would bet cash that he made those agreements as a condition to being hired, and harbor little doubt he is pulling in a lot less on payday than his predecessor.
If this boss [read Yes Man] were to encounter ANY competition (especially from an experienced professional) he would be crushed in the market place and have absolutely no idea why.
Too bad for those who must work under him; no leadership, not a great confidence builder, plus they'll probably be canned for his poor programming decisions.
Easy to see why there is little or no morale remaining within American radio studios.
Questor said:
Yes, the cost of a college education is growing even faster than the cost of health-care. That's unfortunate, and doesn't bode well for the future of this country. But we've all heard the trends - manufacturing jobs are disappearing in America, and in the future, ts going to get harder and harder to stay employed and make a decent income with only a high school education.
If you're talking about either unemployment rates, or income for those who are employed - higher education correlates very significantly with higher income and lower rates of unemployment. And the higher the education, the better off you are likely to be. PhDs do better than those with Masters, who do better than those with BAs
I got to work with Larry at KTIM AM in San Rafael back in the 80's... anyone remember the Big Band Blend? He took over the format from Norman Davis, and programmed it for several years as well as holding down a mid-day airshift. Bobby Dale came on after him, and would sign the daytimer off the air at sundown.
I'll miss Larry on KOIT. It was... comforting... to hear his familiar, soothing voice all these years. Must have been the most boring job ever, but still.
Resurface? Maybe on Sirius or some such; he's got the old-school pipes and style. I doubt we'll hear him on Bay Area terrestrial radio in a regular role any time soon. Perhaps he'll do something like Bobby Ocean, and fill in different places here and there, but then again.. maybe he's ready to hang it up by now.
I'll miss Larry on KOIT. It was... comforting... to hear his familiar, soothing voice all these years. Must have been the most boring job ever, but still.
Resurface? Maybe on Sirius or some such; he's got the old-school pipes and style. I doubt we'll hear him on Bay Area terrestrial radio in a regular role any time soon. Perhaps he'll do something like Bobby Ocean, and fill in different places here and there, but then again.. maybe he's ready to hang it up by now.
kenb said:
Yes thats the same Larry Ickes but back then KKIS 990 AM had a studio in Downtown Vallejo back in the 1960's according to the Bay Area Radio Museum site and Larry Ickes did work with Bobby Ocean when he was PD at KKIS 990 in the 1960's. This was before Bobby Ocean bounced between Boss Radio 93KHJ, KFRC The Big 610, KCBQ and KNYO in the 1970's
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