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KOKC Automation

Is there anyone on this board from KOKC? I really have tried to continue to be a listener (yes, I do like some of the syndicated talk shows), but it seems like the station isn't even listened to by the staff. Programs keep getting switched up half an hour in, multiple commercials playing simultaneously, it is almost like they are trying to push me away. Does it cost that much to have just one person sit in the studio in the evening and listen to the broadcast to make sure the correct item is playing?

Of course there are other options. I can listen to the programs online if I am not in my car or somewhere else away from a computer. Or I can listen to another station altogether. Either way, it is one more set of ears not hearing your local advertisers, although local advertising is pretty thin on KOKC anyway, so it may not even matter.

I have to ask, why even bother with keeping the station on the air at all?
 
?Is there anyone on this board from KOKC?"
Rarely from what I hear.

"I really have tried to continue to be a listener (yes, I do like some of the syndicated talk shows), but it seems like the station isn't even listened to by the staff."

I think you're right. The people at their music stations aren't interested in that format for the most part and 1520 doesn't have but a couple people on it's payroll. Even those guys probably aren't listening all that much. "Programs keep getting switched up half an hour in, multiple commercials playing simultaneously, it is almost like they are trying to push me away." Can you say horrible automation and no one single dedicated person to correct the way things run? To really get an automated station running right you really need one dedicated (VERY DEDICATED) guy or gal to spend a ton of time getting timing and closures working 100 percent right. I've seen it done, but it requires a full time person. "Does it cost that much to have just one person sit in the studio in the evening and listen to the broadcast to make sure the correct item is playing?" To pay someone to sit there 24/7, it does start to add up. Would it add up to, lets say, the cost of doing HD radio then not liking the results and turning off the sytem? Not even close. It's all about precieved priorities and finacing though. Common sense can be clouded at times in larger broadcasting groups.

"Of course there are other options." That's true. 1000 comes to mind. I hear they make a nice showing many times in the upper part of the ratings heap unlike the station further up the dial you are discussing that has 10 times the power output. "I can listen to the programs online if I am not in my car or somewhere else away from a computer. Or I can listen to another station altogether. Either way, it is one more set of ears not hearing your local advertisers, although local advertising is pretty thin on KOKC anyway, so it may not even matter." In this day and time good automation with a few souls that are dedicated to making it run correctly can make a station like 1520 sound better than a station manned by a person. 1520 certainly doesn't sound that way. Even when there was a fleet of board ops there, it had some rough spots in it. A lot of it comes back to a poor quality automation system that is well past it's prime, and when it was in it's prime is sucked too. I wouldn't wish Computer Concepts junk on anyone.

"I have to ask, why even bother with keeping the station on the air at all?" I think the real question is why, when something clearly is a failure, changes aren't made to take the station in a totally different direction. Many changes were made under the station's former program director (in the news-talk format) which futher ruined the station. That's really not the change I'm talking about. The change I speak of is totally flushing the format and doing something else with it. Many opportunites over the years have been lost on what 1520 COULD have done and had success. Before all the other Spanish-language stations came online in the city, 1520 should have taken that opportunity. Next, when it was clear 92.5 would have to modernize due to demographics required for a full-power 100kw FM station, the older demo should have been served on the AM. At the time part-timers in the building could have done a lot of voice tracking and smoke and mirrors to make that work economically and work great. There was fear of erroding 92.5 though. Now there's 99.7. Game over on going with oldies on 1520. What's left? That's a damn good question really. If that station was mine, I'd consider finding someone who actually cared about it enough to rent it to them. I feel someone could do sports or some other format on that stick that would be meaningful and useful. There are several smaller operators out there that could actually use a better signal. But, instead we have automated garbage that barely even plays out right. Oh well. If a guy wants to buy a brand new hotrod and fail to change the oil in it, I guess it's his right to ruin it. It's still enough to make a guy sick watching him do it though. :(
 
I think oldies could work at 1520. They could re-launch with their 1988 format of 50's-60's oldies. FM only really plays post-1965 stuff from what I hear.
 
Even Scott Shannon's format (with the exception of his Sunday night show) isn't a 50-60s oldies format. It does make a guy wonder why it's not done. The demo is anchient, but isn't talk radio's audience pretty old too?
 
The demo is ancient, but isn't talk radio's audience pretty old too?

It is... that's why talk is going to FM, thinking if they change bands they can lower the average age of their listener. Results have been minimal, from what I've heard.

Sports talk looks like they could be a rough row to plow considering AM 640 and FM 98.1... the AM is nicely complimented by 1550 in Sapulpa I'm betting, and that FM signal looks REALLY nice for the OKC area.

Looks like there are already multiple Spanish-language stations, too... so that's out.

Standards are about the only format that it looks like isn't already covered in OKC... and that audience is a worse demo than talk OR early oldies.

I suppose they could go to a 24/7 news feed, simulcasting CNN or something... I'm not aware of anybody ever making much noise doing that, though.

"Dollar a hollar" infomercials are about the only thing I can think of that would be guaranteed to be a money-maker. Anything else seems pretty high-risk....

...It's a shame, though, when a signal like that can't be used to win in the market... :(
 
NightAire said:
The demo is ancient, but isn't talk radio's audience pretty old too?

Sports talk looks like they could be a rough row to plow considering AM 640 and FM 98.1... the AM is nicely complimented by 1550 in Sapulpa I'm betting, and that FM signal looks REALLY nice for the OKC area.

Talk about a saturated market. Including 98.1 and 640, the OKC metro is serviced by a total of 4 sports talk stations. Jox 930 couldn't even make it...and it was a sister of The Sports Animal.
 
I said this before, shows like Ingram and Savage do well in other markets, but dont seem to get much of an audience in OKC. I'd love to see 50's and mostly 60's oldies on the big 1520 too.
 
Billy, I two big factors figure into why 1520 hasn't been able to realize more ratings with Ingram and Savage. First, our average drive time in our cars here is pretty short. That doesn't keep people listening all that long so it hurts talk formats. Being that 1520 is AM, in-home or business listening is harder. Secondly, there's not a large news staff to fill in between the talk product. It's hit-or-miss for them to cover breaking news due to lack of having someone to cover it. If it is covered it's someone else really out on the streets and their read of it, etc. There's plenty of reasons to dial around and try to find out what is going on the city because you're not getting the entire package at 1520. There is also no good local morning show talk host or afternoon local talk show host to build on. 1520 is ran on the cheap which results in lower output. It's sort of like the laws of physics. Plenty of people try to defy them, but few are able to sucessfully. Bypassing costs translates to bypassing listeners which of course means revenue won't follow. That's where 1520 is.
 
OKCRadioGuy said:
Billy, I two big factors figure into why 1520 hasn't been able to realize more ratings with Ingram and Savage. First, our average drive time in our cars here is pretty short. That doesn't keep people listening all that long so it hurts talk formats. Being that 1520 is AM, in-home or business listening is harder. Secondly, there's not a large news staff to fill in between the talk product. It's hit-or-miss for them to cover breaking news due to lack of having someone to cover it. If it is covered it's someone else really out on the streets and their read of it, etc. There's plenty of reasons to dial around and try to find out what is going on the city because you're not getting the entire package at 1520. There is also no good local morning show talk host or afternoon local talk show host to build on. 1520 is ran on the cheap which results in lower output. It's sort of like the laws of physics. Plenty of people try to defy them, but few are able to sucessfully. Bypassing costs translates to bypassing listeners which of course means revenue won't follow. That's where 1520 is.

True, about the "Entire Package". There are holes that KTOK has that 1520 can fill. They could become the KRLD of OKC with lots of emphasis on local news, traffic and weather info. But it takes a lot of cash to run and promote that kind of station.

as long as Renda continues to run 1520 on the cheap with a small staff, low budget, no promotion, and a hodgepodge schedule of second-third string talkers they'll never be a serious contender.
 
Yeah. They already tried to sort of go the expensive route early in the game and have at this point abandoned that approach. Plenty of money was spent on the station's launch and first year, but a couple of very important expenditures was missed. The most important of those was a PD. Somone with about 20 years experience in this size and style of market would have made a huge difference. Instead they hired a guy from the local traffic service. Sadly that's one of the driving forces that drove the thing into the ground. When the FM properties stopped printing money the brakes were put on AM costs. They are at a point where it's going to be at due to lack of what will be spent on it.
 
That sounds similar to what appears to have happened at 1170 / KFAQ in Tulsa. They came on the air gang-busters, and for a while looked like they might make a solid run at KRMG.

Eventually, however, the lack of ratings caught up with them, and they have been cut to the bone. They have one, maybe two people to cover all the news 24/7. The morning show is still live, but the live noon hour and live afternoons are both long gone.

1170 is another "can't fail" signal that, at least from the outside, looks like it's failing.
 
It's sad that heritage powerhouse AMs can't find something to hack out decent ratings and revenue these days. It's certainly an uphill battle.
 
OKC, I think is has much to do about an "heritage" station moving away from it's heritage being forced to reinvent itself.

Why fool around with something that has worked for 75 years or so?

Bottom line is that the "cluster" mentality has trickled down. One station in the cluster performing like gangbusters? Pay less attention to the others. That usually means the AM in the cluster will get the short end of the stick. Not only the AM, the the less profitable FM's in the cluster.

There is no way that a 50 kW signal in OKC can't prosper, unless management has bought into the idea that "no one listens to AM".

That's bogus. You can look at the Aribtrons in other major markets. In many cases, an AM is still the dominant station.

If I owned KOKC, I would be asking myself "how did I manage to f**k this up?
 
If Renda wants to seriously make KOKC work as a talk station, I think they need to do everything they can to secure the broadcast rights to Rush and/or Hannity. Then, once the ad dollars start moving again, expand...or, in their case, create...a local presence.
 
ionosphere said:
If Renda wants to seriously make KOKC work as a talk station, I think they need to do everything they can to secure the broadcast rights to Rush and/or Hannity. Then, once the ad dollars start moving again, expand...or, in their case, create...a local presence.

That's not going to happen because Clear Channel owns Premiere Radio Networks, the home of Rush, Hannity, Beck and also George Noory's Coast-To-Coast. Fat chance of KOKC getting any of them unless CC gets in huge trouble.

What I think KOKC needs to do is put together a strong local morning show to battle KTOK's morning show and promote the heck out of it.
 
billyg said:
ionosphere said:
If Renda wants to seriously make KOKC work as a talk station, I think they need to do everything they can to secure the broadcast rights to Rush and/or Hannity. Then, once the ad dollars start moving again, expand...or, in their case, create...a local presence.

That's not going to happen because Clear Channel owns Premiere Radio Networks, the home of Rush, Hannity, Beck and also George Noory's Coast-To-Coast. Fat chance of KOKC getting any of them unless CC gets in huge trouble.


I guess that shows how little interest I have in what passes for talk radio these days.
 
Didn't KFAQ put together a morning show and promote the heck out of it? They still seem in trouble today... then again, I suppose it could be argued as to whether or not it was "strong..."

I'm wondering if there is ANY market where the second conservative talk station does any decent numbers. It seems there's plenty of programming available... but POPULAR programming is a different story...
 
NightAire said:
Didn't KFAQ put together a morning show and promote the heck out of it? They still seem in trouble today... then again, I suppose it could be argued as to whether or not it was "strong..."

I'm wondering if there is ANY market where the second conservative talk station does any decent numbers. It seems there's plenty of programming available... but POPULAR programming is a different story...

I think any conservative talk station that doesn't have Rush or Hannity as an anchor is fighting an uphill battle. Conservatives I've talked to about KFAQ say they don't listen because the shows on 1170 aren't delving into issues, they're just rattling sabers.

Interestingly, I think Michael Savage gets into true issues more than any other conservative host, but he just comes off as a wacko to alot of people.
 
NightAire said:
Didn't KFAQ put together a morning show and promote the heck out of it? They still seem in trouble today... then again, I suppose it could be argued as to whether or not it was "strong..."

I'm wondering if there is ANY market where the second conservative talk station does any decent numbers. It seems there's plenty of programming available... but POPULAR programming is a different story...

The only other conservative talk AM stations I seen that beat the AM talker with Rush, Hannity, Beck are the stations with a huge emphasis on local news-traffic-weather along with local talk hosts who know their city and it's politics, and a local sports team like how the Cardinals help KMOX or The Cubs help WGN. Hummm...If KOKC could snag the Thunder's broadcasts from WWLS that might be a huge boost.

There's just a glut of way too many AM stations like KOKC (and KSKY and KLIF in Dallas) that are satisfied with a lineup of crap second-string syndicated talkers, a few local weekend shows and taking in whatever ratings and network or local cash they can bring in.

And I think KFAQ just might have worn out it's welcome in Tulsa with it's hardcore conservative approach.
 
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