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KOMO & KIRO both UP - Jack 96.5 is GOOD

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Liberal Talk hits a TWO!
...been a while for AM-1090 to become a player!

Seattle is one of the BETTER Viacom markets...
..all are doing very well!

As for Clear Channel (a-hem) - -
- NOT one of their best efforts...<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mevans on 09/24/05 07:59 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Congratulations to the folks at Infinity who got rid of K-ROCK and brought JACK to town. In less than 5 months, JACK is tied for #5 spot with KRWM.

It's too bad that KJR-FM never saw this kind of success...I can think of several to blame for that.










> RE: Summer Part TWO Arbs:
> ===========================
> Liberal Talk hits a TWO! ...been a while for AM-1090 to
> become a player...
> Seattle is one of the BETTER Viacom markets...all did well..
>
> But for CCU, (a-hem)...not one of there best efforts...
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mevans on 09/24/05 08:07 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

> It's too bad that KJR-FM never saw this kind of success...I
> can think of several to blame for that.

I know it's been discussed here before...but I'm still curious why the 70's mainstream based KJR failed. Loved it when they were playing the hits ... then CChannel corporate got involved and off went the experiment and it leaned into Classic Rock base again. Obviously the numbers say it was a better move ... but I don't understand the LOGIC about why people stomach endless 60's oldies and seem to like the 80's based thing; but the decade that would DRIVE a huge chunk of 25-54 can't get a decent hold as a radio format??

Any ideas??
 
>
> Liberal Talk hits a TWO!
> ...been a while for AM-1090 to become a player!
>
> Seattle is one of the BETTER Viacom markets...
> ..all are doing very well!
>
> As for Clear Channel (a-hem) - -
> - NOT one of their best efforts...
>
Gwarsh...where is KBKS hemorraging listeners to?!? none of the CHR/Hot AC's were up at all...KLSY, KBKS, KUBE all down...*coughipodcough*<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mevans on 09/24/05 08:05 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

KJR had at least two problems: 1) there were two kinds of music that were popular during the 70's, as far as I could tell: Disco, which they avoided, and songs played on KZOK. That left them with one weak playlist. And 2) they sucked for so long that no one was going to seek them out. They could have come up with JACK. Probably a third problem as I think of it: Lack of foresight.

JACK definately plays a lot of good songs, hence the ratings.

> > It's too bad that KJR-FM never saw this kind of
> success...I
> > can think of several to blame for that.
>
> I know it's been discussed here before...but I'm still
> curious why the 70's mainstream based KJR failed. Loved it
> when they were playing the hits ... then CChannel corporate
> got involved and off went the experiment and it leaned into
> Classic Rock base again. Obviously the numbers say it was a
> better move ... but I don't understand the LOGIC about why
> people stomach endless 60's oldies and seem to like the 80's
> based thing; but the decade that would DRIVE a huge chunk of
> 25-54 can't get a decent hold as a radio format??
>
> Any ideas??
> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by schoolshrink on 09/24/05 03:08 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

> KJR had at least two problems: 1) there were two kinds of
> music that were popular during the 70's, as far as I could
> tell: Disco, which they avoided, and songs played on KZOK.
> That left them with one weak playlist. And 2) they sucked
> for so long that no one was going to seek them out. They
> could have come up with JACK. Probably a third problem as I
> think of it: Lack of foresight.
>

April fools in 1995. All disco format for that day as I recall.


> JACK definately plays a lot of good songs, hence the
> ratings.
>
> > > It's too bad that KJR-FM never saw this kind of
> > success...I
> > > can think of several to blame for that.
> >
> > I know it's been discussed here before...but I'm still
> > curious why the 70's mainstream based KJR failed. Loved
> it
> > when they were playing the hits ... then CChannel
> corporate
> > got involved and off went the experiment and it leaned
> into
> > Classic Rock base again. Obviously the numbers say it was
> a
> > better move ... but I don't understand the LOGIC about why
>
> > people stomach endless 60's oldies and seem to like the
> 80's
> > based thing; but the decade that would DRIVE a huge chunk
> of
> > 25-54 can't get a decent hold as a radio format??
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"Always on the move." Obi-Wan Kenobi in Revenge Of the Sith</P>
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

I signed on the second week they were "Resurected". Norm Gregory was given the helm as PD ....and let me say that an enormous KUDO's should go to Norm and what he accomplished: Our "cinderella" book lasted 4 years (as opposed to 1 book) staying in the top 5 25-54, national notority was given KJR FM for accomplishing something so powerful with 70's music. He created the "The KJR FM Class Reunion Weekends" spending hours gathering intensive yearly info and great classic audio bits...Who can forget from WKRP that turkeys can't fly.

Anyway, back to the point: Major listenership can drop when there are airstaff changes. It was Charlie Brown's choice to retire...of which he so richly deserved. So the search was on to replace our KJR Icon, Charlie, and fill his humungus shoes. Norm Gregory took over for a short while until a bigger change occured: Norm resigned as PD and Gary Bryon and the Nut Hut was hired and Gary was assigned PD duties. For the listener...they had to break in this "New Guy" and qualify him as a fit for Seattle....so that reduced listenership...it's inevitable when the air staff changes. Norm stayed in Afternoons.

As the new PD took over he began to throw in 60's...which leaned into KBSG. Then he threw in 80's which REALLY confused the listeners. They no longer knew what to expect. That throws a wrench into listenership!

That's when it dropped to the bottom 10 of the pack....thus becomming a slow and tough climb.

My opinion....they could have stayed 70's and kept more smoke and mirrors to deliver a great decade of music that is increasingly popping up in commercials and movie soundtracks.

Man! I talk to much....wish I got paid by the word!!!<P ID="signature">______________
Kacie</P>
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

> I signed on the second week they were "Resurected". Norm
> Gregory was given the helm as PD ....and let me say that an
> enormous KUDO's should go to Norm and what he accomplished:
> Our "cinderella" book lasted 4 years (as opposed to 1 book)
> staying in the top 5 25-54, national notority was given KJR
> FM for accomplishing something so powerful with 70's music.
> He created the "The KJR FM Class Reunion Weekends" spending
> hours gathering intensive yearly info and great classic
> audio bits...Who can forget from WKRP that turkeys can't
> fly.

Norm was very energetic when it came to the beginning of KJR-FM. I'm not sure the station was as pioneering as your portray, it was merely doing what one station in nearly every market was doing at the time.

Over time, KJR-FM become more of an obstacle in Norm's life, and it sounded every bit of it on the air.


> Anyway, back to the point: Major listenership can drop when
> there are airstaff changes.

Usually just in mornings.


It was Charlie Brown's choice
> to retire...of which he so richly deserved.

Charlie saw what was going on after awhile, and decided to sit on the Pro Tools revenue.

Understand that Charlie may have been iconic to us, the Seattle natives, but as we complain all the time, so much of California, New York and Texas has moved into Seattle. And those folks had/have no idea who is/was Charlie Brown and didn't care. By this time, he was way past his prime.



So the search
> was on to replace our KJR Icon, Charlie, and fill his
> humungus shoes. Norm Gregory took over for a short while
> until a bigger change occured: Norm resigned as PD and Gary
> Bryon and the Nut Hut was hired and Gary was assigned PD
> duties. For the listener...they had to break in this "New
> Guy" and qualify him as a fit for Seattle....so that reduced
> listenership...it's inevitable when the air staff changes.
> Norm stayed in Afternoons.

Gary has been in Seattle before -- it was round two, strike two for him. Gary made the fatal mistake of thinking he can bring the New York schtick he developed in New York. Bringing Z-100 New York into a station that was trying to ram KJR heritage didn't work for some reason.


> As the new PD took over he began to throw in 60's...which
> leaned into KBSG. Then he threw in 80's which REALLY
> confused the listeners. They no longer knew what to expect.
> That throws a wrench into listenership!

And that's what the current KJR-FM PD is doing now. Maybe it wasn't the music back then.

> That's when it dropped to the bottom 10 of the pack....thus
> becomming a slow and tough climb.
>
> My opinion....they could have stayed 70's and kept more
> smoke and mirrors to deliver a great decade of music that is
> increasingly popping up in commercials and movie
> soundtracks.
>
KJR-FM relied too much upon their heritage. Problem was (and still is), most people don't care. They aren't either as nostalgic or didn't even set foot within the Seattle City Limits until the 1990s.
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

Hey, Kacie ...

While Norm was at the helm to give the station some much-needed direction and visibility at the beginning, I would credit O'Shea with the vision to launch it.

When KUBE/KJR got married and Michael inherited the whole lot ... he was one of the first to ask everyone what many in the market wondered all along --- WHY DO YOU HAVE A HERITAGE STATION WITH ITS MATCHING FREQUENCY ON FM AND IGNORE THE OPPORTUNITY?? KJR-AM had recently finished conversion to all-sports after floundering a bit musically (I personally liked their oldies mix better than any other in town at the time) -- and K-LITE had been a huge cash cow so no one wanted to blow it up.

Michael, however, is one of the last decent "radio guys" who thinks about the product driving sales. I think he could see the vision of re-launching KJR and basing it on the music heritage that would stand out as most unique. As Norm got involved, he took it more classic rock over time and that's why I posed the question in this thread about why it seems 70's based pop formats always seem to evolve into classic rock formats. In my view, there was a LOT of great 70's pop that wasn't mush OR disco that has disappeared to all but satellite and the occasional Jack spice record.

None of this intended to DIS-credit Norm or his enthusiasm -- but I don't think the "what if we...." idea actually originated at his end of the breakfast table. Michael, of course, has launched the comedy service and while it's having challenges on the financial front, I think it's another example of finding an unexplored niche and flushing it out.
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

> > I signed on the second week they were "Resurected". Norm
> > Gregory was given the helm as PD ....and let me say that
> an
> > enormous KUDO's should go to Norm and what he
> accomplished:
> > Our "cinderella" book lasted 4 years (as opposed to 1
> book)
> > staying in the top 5 25-54, national notority was given
> KJR
> > FM for accomplishing something so powerful with 70's
> music.
> > He created the "The KJR FM Class Reunion Weekends"
> spending
> > hours gathering intensive yearly info and great classic
> > audio bits...Who can forget from WKRP that turkeys can't
> > fly.
>
> Norm was very energetic when it came to the beginning of
> KJR-FM. I'm not sure the station was as pioneering as your
> portray, it was merely doing what one station in nearly
> every market was doing at the time.
>
> Over time, KJR-FM become more of an obstacle in Norm's life,
> and it sounded every bit of it on the air.
>
>
> > Anyway, back to the point: Major listenership can drop
> when
> > there are airstaff changes.
>
> Usually just in mornings.
>
>
> It was Charlie Brown's choice
> > to retire...of which he so richly deserved.
>
> Charlie saw what was going on after awhile, and decided to
> sit on the Pro Tools revenue.
>
> Understand that Charlie may have been iconic to us, the
> Seattle natives, but as we complain all the time, so much of
> California, New York and Texas has moved into Seattle. And
> those folks had/have no idea who is/was Charlie Brown and
> didn't care. By this time, he was way past his prime.
>
>
>
> So the search
> > was on to replace our KJR Icon, Charlie, and fill his
> > humungus shoes. Norm Gregory took over for a short while
> > until a bigger change occured: Norm resigned as PD and
> Gary
> > Bryon and the Nut Hut was hired and Gary was assigned PD
> > duties. For the listener...they had to break in this "New
>
> > Guy" and qualify him as a fit for Seattle....so that
> reduced
> > listenership...it's inevitable when the air staff changes.
>
> > Norm stayed in Afternoons.
>
> Gary has been in Seattle before -- it was round two, strike
> two for him. Gary made the fatal mistake of thinking he can
> bring the New York schtick he developed in New York.
> Bringing Z-100 New York into a station that was trying to
> ram KJR heritage didn't work for some reason.
>
>
> > As the new PD took over he began to throw in 60's...which
> > leaned into KBSG. Then he threw in 80's which REALLY
> > confused the listeners. They no longer knew what to
> expect.
> > That throws a wrench into listenership!
>
> And that's what the current KJR-FM PD is doing now. Maybe
> it wasn't the music back then.
>
> > That's when it dropped to the bottom 10 of the
> pack....thus
> > becomming a slow and tough climb.
> >
> > My opinion....they could have stayed 70's and kept more
> > smoke and mirrors to deliver a great decade of music that
> is
> > increasingly popping up in commercials and movie
> > soundtracks.
> >
> KJR-FM relied too much upon their heritage. Problem was
> (and still is), most people don't care. They aren't either
> as nostalgic or didn't even set foot within the Seattle City
> Limits until the 1990s.
>
I wonder how long much longer KJR-FM(v 2.0) will be able to hang onto their "more music mornings"? At the very least try to convince Mr. Brown to voicetrack his portion of the morning show with Steve Killbreat(SP?) and Angela Kirby doing the live news and weather updates much like he did towards the end of his run with Ty & Mary. Yes, they discussed this during their final show together those many years(8 already) ago.<P ID="signature">______________
"Always on the move." Obi-Wan Kenobi in Revenge Of the Sith</P>
 
Re: Why didn't KJR-FM's earlier version work?

> I signed on the second week they were "Resurected". Norm
> Gregory was given the helm as PD ....and let me say that an
> enormous KUDO's should go to Norm and what he accomplished:
> Our "cinderella" book lasted 4 years (as opposed to 1 book)
> staying in the top 5 25-54, national notority was given KJR
> FM for accomplishing something so powerful with 70's music.
> He created the "The KJR FM Class Reunion Weekends" spending
> hours gathering intensive yearly info and great classic
> audio bits...Who can forget from WKRP that turkeys can't
> fly.
>
> Anyway, back to the point: Major listenership can drop when
> there are airstaff changes. It was Charlie Brown's choice
> to retire...of which he so richly deserved. So the search
> was on to replace our KJR Icon, Charlie, and fill his
> humungus shoes. Norm Gregory took over for a short while
> until a bigger change occured: Norm resigned as PD and Gary
> Bryon and the Nut Hut was hired and Gary was assigned PD
> duties. For the listener...they had to break in this "New
> Guy" and qualify him as a fit for Seattle....so that reduced
> listenership...it's inevitable when the air staff changes.
> Norm stayed in Afternoons.
>
> As the new PD took over he began to throw in 60's...which
> leaned into KBSG. Then he threw in 80's which REALLY
> confused the listeners. They no longer knew what to expect.
> That throws a wrench into listenership!
>
> That's when it dropped to the bottom 10 of the pack....thus
> becomming a slow and tough climb.
>
> My opinion....they could have stayed 70's and kept more
> smoke and mirrors to deliver a great decade of music that is
> increasingly popping up in commercials and movie
> soundtracks.
>
> Man! I talk to much....wish I got paid by the word!!!
>
You don't talk enough, Kacie. BTW, how the heck ya doing?<P ID="signature">______________
"Always on the move." Obi-Wan Kenobi in Revenge Of the Sith</P>
 
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