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KOOL-FM losing it?

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Billkex

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It's a shame that KOOL-FM seems to be more & more difficult to listen to these days.
Tuning in, it's the same 70s music over & over, there is no variety. They are distancing themselves from the great 60s music they used to play. Now it's just the same 70s tunes over & over. Too much disco!
Even the DJs sound bored & robot-like.

Bring back the Sat. night oldies show (Dick Bartley) and dump that pathetic 70s dance party!

Truth is?...Phoenix needs a true oldies station again. Include some 50s & more 60s with VARIETY!
 
KOOL is now Classic Rock/Disco from what I've been hearing. There is no Oldies station in Phoenix, anymore, unless you count that pathetic 1440, and I guess people are so desperate they'd even listen to that.
If Sandusky had the huevos, they'd hire Gardener and bring back 50's and 60's rock and roll to FM .
I, for one, have had enough of "Disco Lady". blech.
 
Billkex said:
Truth is?...Phoenix needs a true oldies station again. Include some 50s & more 60s with VARIETY!

While I am sure there is a listener group for 50's and 60's, there is no advertiser group. Having predominantly over 55 listeners in an agency dependent market is a guarantee for sales failure.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Billkex said:
Truth is?...Phoenix needs a true oldies station again. Include some 50s & more 60s with VARIETY!

While I am sure there is a listener group for 50's and 60's, there is no advertiser group. Having predominantly over 55 listeners in an agency dependent market is a guarantee for sales failure.

In all the conceptual discussions that abound on here, David you make the definative point that matters. Concept makes for fun talk but it is a business in the end.
 
David, your point is valid only in the assuption that it's listeners 55+ that want to hear this music.
Executives at Disney might argue that point.

KOOL's 12+ numbers were very strong in the not too distant past.

Their 12+ audience wants to hear The Lion Sleeps Tonight. Not Disco Lady.
 
Gale Tulare said:
FeeKnixRadio...

you are absolutely right about it being a business "in the end".

Good call.

The people running radio have ability of saving it or end/kill it.
Not KOOL, not CBS but the people across the industry.
 
SALESGUY2000 said:
David, your point is valid only in the assuption that it's listeners 55+ that want to hear this music.
Executives at Disney might argue that point.

What does Disney have to do with 60's oldies as a radio format?

And, speaking of radio, it's totally verifiable that nearly nobody under 55 wants to hear 50's and early to mid 60's on the radio. Just look at the composition of, for example, WZZN in Chicago, a 60's based format with about 60% of its audience over 55... add in 50's and it is ALL over 55.

KOOL's 12+ numbers were very strong in the not too distant past.

The reason Arbitron gives away the 12+ numbers is that they are not useful to anyone. Nobody buys advertising based on 12+, and essentially all buys ar for 18 to 54 or something inside that spread.

Their 12+ audience wants to hear The Lion Sleeps Tonight. Not Disco Lady.

If a significant number of folks under 55 don't want to hear it, the station will fail economically and the format will go away. Just as it did with KOOL FM,
 
DavidEduardo said:
And, speaking of radio, it's totally verifiable that nearly nobody under 55 wants to hear 50's and early to mid 60's on the radio.

My family might be the exception but three out of the five of us are all "oldies" listeners almost exclusively. I am the only one of the three over 55, the other two are 29 and 33.
 
landtuna said:
My family might be the exception but three out of the five of us are all "oldies" listeners almost exclusively. I am the only one of the three over 55, the other two are 29 and 33.


OK...but you're a research sample of FIVE in a market of almost 3.2 million (not statistically useful)
 
landtuna said:
DavidEduardo said:
And, speaking of radio, it's totally verifiable that nearly nobody under 55 wants to hear 50's and early to mid 60's on the radio.

My family might be the exception but three out of the five of us are all "oldies" listeners almost exclusively. I am the only one of the three over 55, the other two are 29 and 33.

And, thus, you are the "nearly" in "nearly nobody."
 
Don't believe everything you hear or read, especially on here!! "Nearly everyone"on here works for the biz and have a lean, surveys and studies can come up with what you want them to say or mean. A certain kind of music genre has passed the age limits and restrictions long ago, people still like and listen to all sorts of music deemed "not popular" any longer. ;D
 
I knew someone would point that out however let me point out that there is another board member here who is somewhere around the tender age of 18 and is a "KOOL Listener". Right Lauren?

We might not be numerous but we're vocal! ;D
 
Davideduardo is exactly right on this issue. A few years ago, about the time we thought 25-54 would shift to 35-64, it went the other direction.

Another question is: will anyone begin targetting the 50+ crowd except AARP and the med companies? If so it would seem to me that it would open up a format or two to compete with satellite and personal playback devices.
 
I'm not disagreeing with David but simply pointing out that "Boomer seniors" are going to create a huge spike in potential oldies listeners in the coming years. It might be a niche audience but radio will be the loser to ignore it completely. And for the most part these people didn't grow up with iPods and MP3 players to detract from their radio experience. That may be a significant reason talk radio is popular with that age group.

As far as advertisers, have you noticed the onslaught of TV ads featuring personal care products, handicap equipment, insurance and the like directed at seniors lately? It's just the tip of the iceberg. Just as it has been with virtually every other phase of our society since the 60's the Boomers will determine what is popular and what isn't.

Somehow I can't imagine Boomer seniors listening to disco, grunge, metal, rap, hip-hop or the middle-of-the-road pablum music that followed the greatest years of pop and rock and roll. My guess is that Easy Listening, Smooth Jazz and what used to be called Oldies are due for a comeback in the coming years. Of course, that makes the assumption that owners and PD's have a feel for their audiences and advertisers instead of structuring radio for vanilla programs and personnel and the lowest possible operating costs. If not, radio will continue its journey into the "McDonalding" of the industry where the lowest common denominator prevails.
 
landtuna said:
I'm not disagreeing with David but simply pointing out that "Boomer seniors" are going to create a huge spike in potential oldies listeners in the coming years. It might be a niche audience but radio will be the loser to ignore it completely. And for the most part these people didn't grow up with iPods and MP3 players to detract from their radio experience. That may be a significant reason talk radio is popular with that age group.

As far as advertisers, have you noticed the onslaught of TV ads featuring personal care products, handicap equipment, insurance and the like directed at seniors lately? It's just the tip of the iceberg. Just as it has been with virtually every other phase of our society since the 60's the Boomers will determine what is popular and what isn't.

Somehow I can't imagine Boomer seniors listening to disco, grunge, metal, rap, hip-hop or the middle-of-the-road pablum music that followed the greatest years of pop and rock and roll. My guess is that Easy Listening, Smooth Jazz and what used to be called Oldies are due for a comeback in the coming years. Of course, that makes the assumption that owners and PD's have a feel for their audiences and advertisers instead of structuring radio for vanilla programs and personnel and the lowest possible operating costs. If not, radio will continue its journey into the "McDonalding" of the industry where the lowest common denominator prevails.

What you say makes a lot of sense, landtuna. I think this generation of seniors is going to work longer than we have seen before and we'll have more of an economic influence as well.
 
I think the big problem with major market radio these days, they are not interested in what the public wants to hear...they want to TELL US what we want to hear. This way they can clone all their stations to save money. Take a look at KOOL FM's new website, it's pathetic. It's a generic clone that CBS probably uses all over the country. The template probably reads "Just insert call letters here"

I also work as a wedding DJ every weekend, and most of the requests I get are from people of all ages (and they pack the dancefloor) are FUN 50s & 60s songs. Tunes like LaBamba, Louie Louie, Runaround Sue, Rock around the clock, Twist & shout, Surfin USA, Joy to the World, Great balls of fire, Etc.

So don't tell me that people do not want to hear these songs, that's B.S radio talk.
The radio suits want to TELL us what we should be listening to!

No wonder Satellite radio is taking over!
 
landtuna said:
I'm not disagreeing with David but simply pointing out that "Boomer seniors" are going to create a huge spike in potential oldies listeners in the coming years.

The problem is that advertisers do not want to reach over-55's on the radio. Which is why there are essentially no buying against 55+ by agencies, as dictated by their clients.

As far as advertisers, have you noticed the onslaught of TV ads featuring personal care products, handicap equipment, insurance and the like directed at seniors lately?

A lot of that stuff is Per Inquiry (PI) where the station is paid by lead. TV uses this crappola to fill, since syndicated shows have a fixed amount of commercial time, and stations or cable nets often have to fill nthe difference... so they take PIs. Radio does not, for a variety of reasons.

Further, those that are paid are those that requre appetite appeal (visuals) or have lengthy disclamers that they can do with supers, something radio can not do.

It's just the tip of the iceberg. Just as it has been with virtually every other phase of our society since the 60's the Boomers will determine what is popular and what isn't.

Bull. iPods and iPhones, PCs and CD players and tons of other things are made popular by whoever is in the 18-34 demo or in its proximity when the developments occur. Seniors are not trendsetters.

Somehow I can't imagine Boomer seniors listening to disco, grunge, metal, rap, hip-hop or the middle-of-the-road pablum music that followed the greatest years of pop and rock and roll.

Surprise... pop and rock are not the biggest genres. Country and Urban and Hispanic and AC genres together are just as significant. Disco, on the other hand, was a pure boomer thing.

My guess is that Easy Listening,

The youngest easy listening listeners are in their 70s now.

Smooth Jazz and what used to be called Oldies

Mostly over 55. No revenue, no format.

are due for a comeback in the coming years.

Ad agencies are asking more for 18-49 and less for 25-54 of late. The buys are getting younger. Advertisers have found that older listeners produce negative ROI on advertising and stay away from them at all costs.

Of course, that makes the assumption that owners and PD's have a feel for their audiences and advertisers instead of structuring radio for vanilla programs and personnel and the lowest possible operating costs. If not, radio will continue its journey into the "McDonalding" of the industry where the lowest common denominator prevails.

Your assumption is just wrong. PDs and Owners have zero, just zero, to do with this. Advertisers do. And owners and PDs simply try to provde a great vehicle for advertisers within the age limits advertisers want to buy.

This is not a baseball field in Iowa. If you build it, the advertisers will not come.
 
Billkex said:
No wonder Satellite radio is taking over!

Considering that satellite is nearly 9 years old, and the two companies lost $400 million in the first 3 months of this year, satellite is nearly as bad off as home builders. Subscriptions have nearly stagnated, and the turndown in the economy is going to be very hard on churn rates, as well as producing a slowdown of significance in new car installs.

But that attitude of "the truth be damned" reflects on your other statements.

Suffice it to say that what folks with a couple of drinks in 'em at a party do not pick the same music they want to hear on the radio. That is why stations don't test music at parties. The listners, not some "suits" pick the music.
 
DavidEduardo said:
SALESGUY2000 said:
David, your point is valid only in the assuption that it's listeners 55+ that want to hear this music.
Executives at Disney might argue that point.

What does Disney have to do with 60's oldies as a radio format?

And, speaking of radio, it's totally verifiable that nearly nobody under 55 wants to hear 50's and early to mid 60's on the radio. Just look at the composition of, for example, WZZN in Chicago, a 60's based format with about 60% of its audience over 55... add in 50's and it is ALL over 55.

KOOL's 12+ numbers were very strong in the not too distant past.

The reason Arbitron gives away the 12+ numbers is that they are not useful to anyone. Nobody buys advertising based on 12+, and essentially all buys ar for 18 to 54 or something inside that spread.

Their 12+ audience wants to hear The Lion Sleeps Tonight. Not Disco Lady.

If a significant number of folks under 55 don't want to hear it, the station will fail economically and the format will go away. Just as it did with KOOL FM,


The agencies need to wake up. There is money in the 55+ The real reason agencies don't like 55+ is because its not sexy and hip.
 
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