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Kost christmas will it start early like kez in phoenix?

SuperRadioFan said:
Dude, it's not a shock to me, c'mon I spent 23 years in the radio industry so I know there's no 10 shares these days. Not gonna debate, just want you to know, geeez
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Then why are you telling me what you know is useless anecdotal information? I don't care what your family listens to.

KOST plays Christmas music because it wins. If you don't understand that, you don't understand radio.

oldies76 said:
Who's "everyone"??
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I'm not going to parse my words for you. KOST plays Christmas because it wins. Case closed.

This entire discussion is a complete waste of time.
 
TheBigA said:
I should add that all of the record labels officially release their new Christmas music at the end of October. They are doing that for a reason. The want it to be available for people to buy, stream, and enjoy in November.
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Makes sense. Pumpkin beers start releases just after July 4th.


I do have a legit question. How far back did we see (hear) these seasonal Christmas transitions start in radio vs. overnight flips? It seems like their momentum has only grown since PPM.
 
Tibbs4 said:
Makes sense. Pumpkin beers start releases just after July 4th.


I do have a legit question. How far back did we see (hear) these seasonal Christmas transitions start in radio vs. overnight flips? It seems like their momentum has only grown since PPM.
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The "invention" of all Christmas during the season started at KEZ in Phoenix in the mid 90's. Many stations followed suit in the next few years.

Following 9/11, lots of stations began Christmas music earlier.

The PPM did not change much, as the rollout did not happen until 2008 to 2010.
 
TheBigA said:
Then why are you telling me what you know is useless anecdotal information? I don't care what your family listens to.

KOST plays Christmas music because it wins. If you don't understand that, you don't understand radio.



I'm not going to parse my words for you. KOST plays Christmas because it wins. Case closed.

This entire discussion is a complete waste of time.
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This is ridiculous!
 
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Someone was asking why stations going all-Christmas don't play "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer." It's because the format is very hesitant to play novelty Christmas songs. The only one that gets decent airplay is "You're A Mean One Mr. Grinch." Yes, it's novelty. But it comes from a TV show that gets seen year after year for the holidays. If it wasn't connected with that TV show, it wouldn't be airing on Christmas stations.

People who like the Christmas format don't think novelty songs should be on the playlist.
 
oldies76 said:
Wow!! Well, we'll just get more families like Superfan's to tune out and see what that does. Believe me, he understands radio. Unreal.
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That makes you, who does not live in the MSA and Superfan, who may or may not. Two people.

Out of the 4.5 million persons that KOST cumed in Week 3 Holiday in 2018, that won't make any difference.

And, of course, both of you are guys. The station targets women all year long, but more during the Holiday and December books.

18+ Women Cume Rating Week 3 of Holiday: 48.9. That means that essentially half the 25-54 women in the whole market listened to KOST that week. 25-54 women it was 48.
 
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Gregg. said:
Someone was asking why stations going all-Christmas don't play "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer." It's because the format is very hesitant to play novelty Christmas songs.
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Last year it seemed a lot of them played the Chipmunks Christmas Song.
 
TheBigA said:
OK so this whole discussion is ridiculous.
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Post 81

A little on the harsh side, don't you think??

But according to you, our opinions are just that, a waste of time on just 9 pages.

We could go 40 pages if you like, like we did in 2015, no problem.

But I don't need to. Thank you very much.
 
David, KOST still plays Christmas music by the "old crooners." In addition to White Christmas by Crosby which was previously mentioned, their playlist also includes "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and "Jingle Bells" by Frank Sinatra, "The Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole, "The Most Wonderful Time of the Year" by Andy Williams, "That Holiday Feeling" by Steve and Eydie, "Holly Jolly Christmas" by Burl Ives, and "Ring Christmas Bells" by Ray Conniff(not a crooner but from that generation). I don't expect these songs to be dropped anytime soon.
 
radio128 said:
David, KOST still plays Christmas music by the "old crooners." In addition to White Christmas by Crosby which was previously mentioned, their playlist also includes "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and "Jingle Bells" by Frank Sinatra, "The Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole, "The Most Wonderful Time of the Year" by Andy Williams, "That Holiday Feeling" by Steve and Eydie, "Holly Jolly Christmas" by Burl Ives, and "Ring Christmas Bells" by Ray Conniff(not a crooner but from that generation). I don't expect these songs to be dropped anytime soon.
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Out of hundreds and hundreds of songs, you named just a few are from holdovers from the big band era. And they are ones that don't have the "big band" sound to them. Note that I mentioned that the combination of orchestration and style were what keeps nearly all the old renditions from playing. In all these cases, the orchestration and interpretation was much updated.

Steve and Eydie's song was from 1964, well after the Big Band era. Ray Conniff was 60's, also... around the time he had the Top 40 hit "Invisible Tears". Burl Ives was not a "crooner" in the big band style. Nat King Cole had Top 40 hits in the late 80's. He was, again, not of the big band style.

The two Sinatra songs (they actually play 9 of them) are forgivable as the orchestrations are much more contemporary. The version of "Merry Little Christmas" that gets played is from the 1963 album, and sounds good today. "Jingle Bells" was from 1957, well into the rock 'n roll era and pretty much removed from the big band sound. The rest are from either of those two years; one is a remix with a duo with Cyndi Lauper from 1992. A number are listed as remastered, as well.

In fact, out of over 400 songs, there were 10 by Andy Williams (all from the mid to late 60s and much more recent than the one Chuck Berry song they play), 6 Tony Bennett (all from the late 60's), 10 Nat King Cole (all but one from the 60's), 4 Burl Ives (all mid to late 60's), 8 Dean Martin (many of which were from the Dean Martin Christmas Album from 1966, and half remastered in 2006),
 
oldies76 said:
Obviously, If you cannot answer my question, then there's validity to it.
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No, I CAN answer your question, and HAVE answered your question many, many times.

You refuse to accept the answer. You keep beating the dead horse. Case closed.

You keep beating the dead horse, and how has it changed the reality? Not one bit.

So it's a waste of time.
 
DavidEduardo said:


Nat King Cole had Top 40 hits in the late 80's. ,
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Say WHAT???? Haha OK David .... Really hard to count his popular "duet" with daughter Natalie; peak position on the Billboard US pop chart

1987 "When I Fall in Love" (reissue) - - 4
1991 "Unforgettable" (with Natalie Cole) 14
"The Christmas Song" (reissue) - - 69
1994 "Let's Face the Music and Dance" - - 30
 
radio128 said:
David, KOST still plays Christmas music by the "old crooners." In addition to White Christmas by Crosby which was previously mentioned, their playlist also includes "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and "Jingle Bells" by Frank Sinatra, "The Christmas Song" by Nat King Cole, "The Most Wonderful Time of the Year" by Andy Williams, "That Holiday Feeling" by Steve and Eydie, "Holly Jolly Christmas" by Burl Ives, and "Ring Christmas Bells" by Ray Conniff(not a crooner but from that generation). I don't expect these songs to be dropped anytime soon.
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These are the songs I like and want to hear. Except the Ray Conniff song listed turns into a Halloween song before it ends and I make sure to change stations before that happens.

I keep reading here about how the big FMs won't play anything but the new versions and it has been my observation that's just not true. WMAG Greensboro NC and WKQC Charlotte NC play just enough of the real classics (including traditional sounding versions of the traditional songs). I can often jump back and forth between these two in the car and always hear something, but then once there is a commercial it's pointless to stay around because there are going to be way too many commercials.

America's Best Music won't do it for me. It sounds great (mostly) the rest of the year and then manages to be LESS traditional at Christmas during the two weeks or so it goes all-Christmas with the likes of Aaron Shust and Point of Grace.

Responding to a post I don't want to try to find now, people want to hear the songs that make them feel good and are part of the tradition. For me, newer songs and newer-sounding versions will not do it. Paul McCartney's "Wonderful Christmastime" to me is unlistenable. I want nothing to do with Mariah Carey, at Christmas or any time of year. Don't get me started on the abomination "Sarajevo". If radio forced on me just new songs "about" Christmas that I don't accept as Christmas songs, I would say "Bah humbug" and be a Grinch all season long.

And my definition of "new" is anything newer than Brenda Lee or Bobby Helms, who I regard as cutting edge. Anything newer has to sound like it is from an era earlier than that, and many do. Novelty songs are fine.
 
SuperRadioFan said:
Say WHAT???? Haha OK David .... Really hard to count his popular "duet" with daughter Natalie; peak position on the Billboard US pop chart

1987 "When I Fall in Love" (reissue) - - 4
1991 "Unforgettable" (with Natalie Cole) 14
"The Christmas Song" (reissue) - - 69
1994 "Let's Face the Music and Dance" - - 30
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My typo, but with the duets it turned out to be correct. I meant to type "50's". Here is a case where the error is the truth, too.

Even a broken watch is right two times a day!
 
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Michael Rivers Kramer said:
"It's 86 degrees in LA....Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow."
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And it's below freezing on the top of Mt Wilson and we can see the snow appear. And a lot of us know how to get to the ski slopes and the "winter wonderlands" of Big Bear and Idyllwild. And occasionally it snows in the foothill communities along the 210 freeway.

Snow in the Southland is exotic. All fun, no shovels required.
 
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