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DoubleC
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Run Out Of Moooooola Think Not. Can you say 50K on 1600. We have asked the FCC to bump up us to 50,000watts. Any Questions feel free to ask
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Just read the APP and it looks great - I hope you get it. Don Davis has already been awarded CP's on both 1550 and 1600 to boost nightime power, and also daytime power on 1550. Looks like KKJY 1100 is still an application to move to Rio Rancho, since 2004. What is the status with this? I always wondered about the ABQ ground conductivity - 15 ms/m on the FCC map does seem too high.....
KRKE APP:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...3020&Service=AM&Form_id=301&Facility_id=65257
KRKE APP:
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws...3020&Service=AM&Form_id=301&Facility_id=65257
TheRadioVortex said:
What's the gain on putting so much power on very high band stations? With 50 kw on 1600 still being about the equivalent of 1 kw on 550, it seems like a waste of power.
DavidEduardo said:
Because if you quadruple the power, you double the distance. 10kW-50kW is even more than increasing the power by 4X. A great move for Vanguard!
TheRadioVortex said:
No, you do not double the distance. You double the coverage area. That increases the distance by a much smaller amount... go check the formula for the area of a circle.
The cost of power, power handling equipment, etc., would not seem to warrant this sort of extravegance in a market where so little AM listening exists (around 15% of total).
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DoubleC
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Top Billing Station is AM, I would take a little slice of that pie and be Happy..
DoubleC said:
There is a big difference between an AM News/Talk station and any AM music station. The very minor population gain with going to 50 kw. will not translate into revenues, as stations with low ratings or no ratings don't sell on numbers.
The real problem is the ongoing decline in total AM numbers... in a market that will be off about 20% this year.
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DoubleC
Guest
Good Thing we Don't Sell By the Numbers. We Make Money The Old fashion Way Direct Sales to Clients who want our Demo...and In short our demo shows up, Client Happy and believe it or not our sales are ahead of what they were this time last year...what other operation in town can say that!
AM is dead! they said that when TV first came on, OH and Satelite would Kill Off all of Radio The Stations targeting the under 30 crowd are the ones in Danger.......anyone have any Citadel penny stocks they like to sell
God Bless everyone and Have Fun and enjoy what you do
AM is dead! they said that when TV first came on, OH and Satelite would Kill Off all of Radio The Stations targeting the under 30 crowd are the ones in Danger.......anyone have any Citadel penny stocks they like to sell
God Bless everyone and Have Fun and enjoy what you do
R
Radio Pro
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I've got to agree with David, the added expense to increase power at
that frequency seems like an exercise in futility.
And as the audience for the music ages into the upper reaches of
humanity, how much will you gain? In a market that will see a drop in revenue this year, and perhaps more to come, I can't see the benefit.
Playing 40 to 50 year old music isn't going to get any slice of KKOB's
revenue..unless Rush and Hannity start redoing the old hits.
This is not a personal attack Double C, just a reasoned thought process.
Don Davis has done a great job of carving out a niche in this market,
but trying to increase that slice of the pie with an expensive power increase seems odd.
Just my opinion (disclaimer..read it real fast!)
that frequency seems like an exercise in futility.
And as the audience for the music ages into the upper reaches of
humanity, how much will you gain? In a market that will see a drop in revenue this year, and perhaps more to come, I can't see the benefit.
Playing 40 to 50 year old music isn't going to get any slice of KKOB's
revenue..unless Rush and Hannity start redoing the old hits.
This is not a personal attack Double C, just a reasoned thought process.
Don Davis has done a great job of carving out a niche in this market,
but trying to increase that slice of the pie with an expensive power increase seems odd.
Just my opinion (disclaimer..read it real fast!)
DoubleC said:
And I would LOVE to work for a station w/ your business philosophy, DoubleC!
Wow, sales AHEAD for you over this time last year? That sounds great and would mean high job security for anyone working for Vanguard!
I'm all for the power increases on 1550 and 1600. Albuquerque is growing rapidly esp. towards Rio Rancho, Bernalillo. If the loop freeway goes on the Westside, that will bring even more good growth to the most recession proof city in the Southwest! Those areas will need better AM reception from towers in the Rio Grande Valley. Hmmm...I don't see Air America 1350 putting up a directional array...um...could it have something to do with...the parent company?
As for AM radio being dead, hey, it doesn't die when it's produced, sold, and managed locally -- without any interference with Fagreed Sulemann and Judy Ellis! RadioPro and David Eduardo are new school, thinking that AM will die a painful death. They haven't seen the light at the end of the tunnel as Jerry Del Collianno describes.
Sadly, most people left in the biz don't see the potential for locally managed radio, which is still working at Vanguard, and will always work - in ANY market -- see today's article from Jerry Del Collianno about Fagreed and Judy --
http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2009/03/radios-fatal-disconnect.html
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DoubleC
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Nice Article, Thanks For The Link.
BTW Long Time Albuquerque Air Talent, and one of the most well know voices in town and most recently of 98.5 Barb Fox Joins Real Oldies 1600. In The Last Book Steve Suttle & Ms. Fox were the Highest Rated Jocks on 98.5 and NOW they are Both on 1600! Ms.Fox as You Know has a long track record of Being On Winning Stations KRST (When it had a 12 share) KIOT 102.5 & KABG 98.5. We are Very Lucky to have Both Of Them
On Our TEAM & Part of our FAMILY.
When you have a stable of small advertisers who like your product & it delivers for them, you build a solid foundation, Then when you get the big boys to see that our demo buys cars & have jobs we are that much more ahead.
Good Luck to All and God Bless.......Do the Best You Can AM/FM/Internet
BTW Long Time Albuquerque Air Talent, and one of the most well know voices in town and most recently of 98.5 Barb Fox Joins Real Oldies 1600. In The Last Book Steve Suttle & Ms. Fox were the Highest Rated Jocks on 98.5 and NOW they are Both on 1600! Ms.Fox as You Know has a long track record of Being On Winning Stations KRST (When it had a 12 share) KIOT 102.5 & KABG 98.5. We are Very Lucky to have Both Of Them
On Our TEAM & Part of our FAMILY.
When you have a stable of small advertisers who like your product & it delivers for them, you build a solid foundation, Then when you get the big boys to see that our demo buys cars & have jobs we are that much more ahead.
Good Luck to All and God Bless.......Do the Best You Can AM/FM/Internet
TheRadioVortex said:
Unfortunately, that is not true.
At one time, I owned a half dozen or so AMs. And then I put on the first FM for a thousand miles around, and every little bit of audience the FM got came from AM.
Fast forward some years... FM has 80% to 90% of the local audience, nearly all of which is made up of seniors and geezers. For example, in Albuquerque less than 10% of listening by persons 18-49 is AM. In 18-34 it is 5%. In teens it is around 2%.
All that means that there are two generations of Americans who have no history of usage of AM and perceive it as being old, noisy and low-fi as well as low tech. They never went there, so they can't come back to what they never used.
Local or not, when the older generation leaves God's Waiting Room and moves on, there will be no AM audience save for the vast array of colon cleanser purchasers and extremists of the political and social variety.
There is no future for a medium with little audience (almost half of which resides on one radio station) and no new audience coming in.
David Eduardo wrote (quoting)"
"Fast forward some years... FM has 80% to 90% of the local audience, nearly all of which is made up of seniors and geezers. For example, in Albuquerque less than 10% of listening by persons 18-49 is AM. In 18-34 it is 5%. In teens it is around 2%. All that means that there are two generations of Americans who have no history of usage of AM and perceive it as being old, noisy and low-fi as well as low tech. They never went there, so they can't come back to what they never used."
"Local or not, when the older generation leaves God's Waiting Room and moves on, there will be no AM audience save for the vast array of colon cleanser purchasers and extremists of the political and social variety."
"There is no future for a medium with little audience (almost half of which resides on one radio station) and no new audience coming in."
I agree - although I do think we CAN bring in a new audience, w/ new ideas to bring AM - and FM - radio to those under 35. Even to the various Albuquerque AM's! 8)
For example, podcasting, as FOX news does with its talk radio shows.
And, radio on your I-Phone, like KOA Denver.
And, FOX news reports that come to your cell phone like text messages.
And, the ability to record, download, and fast forward a podcast.
And, in terms of programming, music on AM still works for the young generation:
For example -- in Albuquerque, I remember reading at one time that KQNM-AM (1550) was #1 for TSL among all AM's for ages 18-34. That's impressive.
When you here station employees Don Davis, Double C, and others voicing commercials for local ABQ businesses like Moses Health/Nutrition, the listeners already "trusts" the announcer, because they've heard them for years as DJ's.
Maybe Clear Channel should consider Active Rock and TOP 40 ... in HD ... on it's declining Air America stations.
Back to podcasting, when you look at many radio web sites, finding archives is nearly impossible, buried on a sidebar that includes: "Home, Listen Live, Programming, Hosts, About Us, Contact Us, Employment, EEO,...etc."
Or, buried even further on separate pages for the talent. Not to knock KOA Denver, but I couldn't find the Rick Barber and Big Steve podcasts. I'll try again right now .............................
http://www.koaradio.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=overnight.xml
Wow - great! Found it! But it was three pages in, and said, "Listen to audio of Rick" -- instead of a WORD that the 18-34ers will recognize ... Podcast!
I have just learned of Jerry Del Collianno and started reading his blog posts about New Technology. I am NO expert in his very good suggestions that will save AM radio. I do believe we can save AM radio for 18-34. Perhaps others will post other suggestions in reply?! ???
"Fast forward some years... FM has 80% to 90% of the local audience, nearly all of which is made up of seniors and geezers. For example, in Albuquerque less than 10% of listening by persons 18-49 is AM. In 18-34 it is 5%. In teens it is around 2%. All that means that there are two generations of Americans who have no history of usage of AM and perceive it as being old, noisy and low-fi as well as low tech. They never went there, so they can't come back to what they never used."
"Local or not, when the older generation leaves God's Waiting Room and moves on, there will be no AM audience save for the vast array of colon cleanser purchasers and extremists of the political and social variety."
"There is no future for a medium with little audience (almost half of which resides on one radio station) and no new audience coming in."
I agree - although I do think we CAN bring in a new audience, w/ new ideas to bring AM - and FM - radio to those under 35. Even to the various Albuquerque AM's! 8)
For example, podcasting, as FOX news does with its talk radio shows.
And, radio on your I-Phone, like KOA Denver.
And, FOX news reports that come to your cell phone like text messages.
And, the ability to record, download, and fast forward a podcast.
And, in terms of programming, music on AM still works for the young generation:
For example -- in Albuquerque, I remember reading at one time that KQNM-AM (1550) was #1 for TSL among all AM's for ages 18-34. That's impressive.
When you here station employees Don Davis, Double C, and others voicing commercials for local ABQ businesses like Moses Health/Nutrition, the listeners already "trusts" the announcer, because they've heard them for years as DJ's.
Maybe Clear Channel should consider Active Rock and TOP 40 ... in HD ... on it's declining Air America stations.
Back to podcasting, when you look at many radio web sites, finding archives is nearly impossible, buried on a sidebar that includes: "Home, Listen Live, Programming, Hosts, About Us, Contact Us, Employment, EEO,...etc."
Or, buried even further on separate pages for the talent. Not to knock KOA Denver, but I couldn't find the Rick Barber and Big Steve podcasts. I'll try again right now .............................
http://www.koaradio.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=overnight.xml
Wow - great! Found it! But it was three pages in, and said, "Listen to audio of Rick" -- instead of a WORD that the 18-34ers will recognize ... Podcast!
I have just learned of Jerry Del Collianno and started reading his blog posts about New Technology. I am NO expert in his very good suggestions that will save AM radio. I do believe we can save AM radio for 18-34. Perhaps others will post other suggestions in reply?! ???
R
Radio Pro
Guest
Good points and counterpoints on this discussion.
With the convergence of media, all types being available on
phones, internet and other mobile devices..it would be hard
to phathom am radio resurrected as part of that scenario.
As David pointed out, however, the listening on am in Albuquerque
is devoid of those we need to bring in.
It will be fun to revisit this in a few years.
With the convergence of media, all types being available on
phones, internet and other mobile devices..it would be hard
to phathom am radio resurrected as part of that scenario.
As David pointed out, however, the listening on am in Albuquerque
is devoid of those we need to bring in.
It will be fun to revisit this in a few years.
Just out of curiosity is there any other 50KW station on 1600 in the US?
w9wi said:
I didn't think their were many, but that's even more than I thought.
It's good to see broadcasters like Don Davis, still have vision and willing to take risk doing it the old fashion way. AM radio has been pronounced more than once! With guys like Don and his vision, AM has long life ahead. The extra power will serve the outlying communities with lower noise levels, it is true at the end of the month the electric bill increase will make you gasp for air! Innovative programming and increased sales will more than cover for the extra expense.
You guys earned the power increase, and you will have the last laugh!
Steve
www.radiobrandy.com
You guys earned the power increase, and you will have the last laugh!
Steve
www.radiobrandy.com
>>It's good to see broadcasters like Don Davis, still have vision and willing to take risk doing it the old fashion way.>>
Agreed something other than corporate radio.
Agreed something other than corporate radio.
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DoubleC
Guest
Ratings are Over Rated...Example All Those stations above us had Much Higher Ratings and Just got done Letting Lots of Folks Go Don on the other hand has navigated his stations thru these hard times very well and as you know we expanded our on air personalities with the additions of Mz Fox & Mr.Suttle. We look to grow even more in 09 while the others contract...Keep On Keeping On
and as always God Bless & Do Good Radio
Don on the other hand has navigated his stations thru these hard times very well and as you know we expanded our on air personalities with the additions of Mz Fox & Mr.Suttle. We look to grow even more in 09 while the others contract...Keep On Keeping Onand as always God Bless & Do Good Radio
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