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KRKO won't be getting a sister station any time soon

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FatRadioGuy

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Looks like It's back to the courtroom for Andy Skotdal in his attempt to put 50,000 watt AM1520 on his KRKO site. The Snohomish County Hearing Examiner shot him down on the condition that the new station, added to the same area as 1380 may be a health hazard even though there is no evidence to that. Apparently it's better to deny than approve. Looks like another appeal for Andy.
Here's the link to the decision http://www.co.snohomish.wa.us/documents/Departments/PDS/Commerical_Land_Use/Proposed_Developments/2008_hed_decisions/07109195a.pdf
 
It's not like KRKO really NEEDS an AM sister. First, Skotdal would be wasting his money anyway since FM is what everybody wants now. Second, what would he put on it besides more syndicated "bird" crap?

He knows he just BARELY eeked by with the NIMBYs with the new KRKO set-up in itself. But to press on with the second station in the same location was just asking for it.

However, there are alternate COLs that 1520 was asking for in it's original filings, such as Mount Vernon. But he wouldn't do too well with those because if you think the NIMBYs were mad as hell in Snohomish, the Skagit Valley would be outright armageddon.

He really needs to look towards more industrial parts of Everett proper for it - especially closer to the water. And maybe a better frequency. 1520 is OWNED by KGDD up here at night, sometimes outblasting KGA 1510 and KFBK 1530 up here. 1570 and 1500, two vacated Canadian frequencies would be better...
 
Yeah I really don't understand the additional AM thing either.

AM is so dead in the water, FM has a margin of a chance and AM has no life preserver in sight.

Very odd.
 
Having a 50kw AM flame-thrower used to be a real status thing, damn near guaranteed good ratings. If you had the money for that big of an operation you had money for programming and promotions.

All KRKO is going to do is buy more electricity from the Snohomish PUD. Having 50 grand on 1380 with the same lousy programming off a "bird" (save for one show) is nuts. Is there something the station owners see that I am missing here??
 
mightymoose said:
Having a 50kw AM flame-thrower used to be a real status thing, damn near guaranteed good ratings. If you had the money for that big of an operation you had money for programming and promotions.

All KRKO is going to do is buy more electricity from the Snohomish PUD. Having 50 grand on 1380 with the same lousy programming off a "bird" (save for one show) is nuts. Is there something the station owners see that I am missing here??
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The buzz is that ESPN will be moving from KRKO to KIRO, leaving KRKO with either Fox Sports or Sports Byline (or some other 2nd, 3rd tier sports network.) Probably not 50,000 watt fodder. I would hope KRKO does something outstanding with that kind of power. Otherwise, I don't see how they will be able to afford a 50,000 watt power bill....
 
Been following the attempt by KRKO to add the AM sister station. Admit I am a neophyte when it comes to the radio biz, but can someone explain the advantage of adding this to exisiting station given current market? I just don't get how this could pencil out to be beneficial to the bottomline now or even in forseeable future. What am I missing?
 
CleverUsernameHere said:
Been following the attempt by KRKO to add the AM sister station. Admit I am a neophyte when it comes to the radio biz, but can someone explain the advantage of adding this to exisiting station given current market? I just don't get how this could pencil out to be beneficial to the bottomline now or even in forseeable future. What am I missing?
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That's just the thing....nobody else can figure it out either. It probably looks nice on the stationary, but so does textured paper and it's nowhere near as expensive.....
 
semoochie said:
This would have been a great idea 40 years ago!
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If KRKO had started an FM 40 years ago, they'd be doing a lot better now. Problem was back then, the geniuses then weren't thinking FM was anything serious, just a place for stoner hippies and eggheads.

I think that's reversed now, the stoner hippies (like me) are listening to KPTK and the eggheads? Well, God only knows what they're listening to now....
 
Bongwater said:
CleverUsernameHere said:
Been following the attempt by KRKO to add the AM sister station. Admit I am a neophyte when it comes to the radio biz, but can someone explain the advantage of adding this to exisiting station given current market? I just don't get how this could pencil out to be beneficial to the bottomline now or even in forseeable future. What am I missing?
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That's just the thing....nobody else can figure it out either. It probably looks nice on the stationary, but so does textured paper and it's nowhere near as expensive.....
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Guess not answering to stockholders does allow for some mercurial decision making.
 
CleverUsernameHere said:
Guess not answering to stockholders does allow for some mercurial decision making.
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That's the way the Mays boys at Clear Channel must have figured it. Get rid of those pesky stockholders who are asking tooo many questions. Now if they could only get rid of their employees they'd have it made!
 
mightymoose said:
CleverUsernameHere said:
Guess not answering to stockholders does allow for some mercurial decision making.
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That's the way the Mays boys at Clear Channel must have figured it. Get rid of those pesky stockholders who are asking tooo many questions. Now if they could only get rid of their employees they'd have it made!
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i TOTALLY agree Moose.....
 
Is it just me or is the broadcast business beginning to look at lot like AIG or Lehman Bros.??
 
mightymoose said:
Is it just me or is the broadcast business beginning to look at lot like AIG or Lehman Bros.??
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I saw this ten years ago Moose....
 
In 1991 I heard the term "LMA" for the first time. Who knew it would be all down hill from there?
 
Bongwater said:
It's not like KRKO really NEEDS an AM sister. First, Skotdal would be wasting his money anyway since FM is what everybody wants now. Second, what would he put on it besides more syndicated "bird" crap?

He knows he just BARELY eeked by with the NIMBYs with the new KRKO set-up in itself. But to press on with the second station in the same location was just asking for it.

However, there are alternate COLs that 1520 was asking for in it's original filings, such as Mount Vernon. But he wouldn't do too well with those because if you think the NIMBYs were mad as hell in Snohomish, the Skagit Valley would be outright armageddon.

He really needs to look towards more industrial parts of Everett proper for it - especially closer to the water. And maybe a better frequency. 1520 is OWNED by KGDD up here at night, sometimes outblasting KGA 1510 and KFBK 1530 up here. 1570 and 1500, two vacated Canadian frequencies would be better...
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BUt would he be able to fit 1500 and 1570 in with any appreciable power? Probably not.. as you need lots more these ays to over come interference from power lines and consumer electronics.

Plus, I thinl they can only modify/move the frequency 30Khz either way.. and 1570 would be ruled out in that case.
 
For that matter, there's an allocation at 740 owned by Dr. Pamplin in Portland and licensed to Redmond or Carnation. I think it is directional 50/ 10 or some such and the original stick was supposed to be located only about 4 miles south of the new KRKO sticks. I don't know much more than Pamplin is in severe shrinkage mode. Fired most of the KPAM staff a couple weeks ago and busted my buddy Tim Hohl from street reporter to morning news reader. SO, ya gotta figure that allocation is for sale. I wonder if Andy is also making a play...put 3 big signals on one farm and package it for sale? I dunno...I'm just a dumb LPFM voice...but there seems a natural synergy there. Anybody know more about that one?
 
I read this on the web. They have one person calling for the FCC to withdraw the CP for the station even after the construction of KRKO's new tower site is nearly complete... That sound pretty weird to me.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081022/NEWS01/710229763

Published: Wednesday, October 22, 2008
KRKO told no to more towers
A county hearing examiner has rejected plans to erect two more radio towers near Snohomish.
By Yoshiaki Nohara
Herald Writer

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SNOHOMISH -- A Snohomish County hearing examiner has rejected plans for two radio towers proposed south of Snohomish, citing health concern for nearby residents.

The decision comes after four other radio towers went up this summer amid farmland in the Snohomish River Valley. Those towers were built without taking into account possible health risks associated with the project, said Angela Day of Snohomish.

Day said she hopes that the Federal Communications Commission would note the hearing examiner's decision and withdraw its permit on the four towers. The radio towers don't fit the Snohomish River Valley, Day said.
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IndigoCoyote said:
I dunno...I'm just a dumb LPFM voice...
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Sometimes the people on the outside see the opportunities or the problems better than those on the inside of the business. And what sort of LPFM anyway?
 
gabigley1 said:
I read this on the web. They have one person calling for the FCC to withdraw the CP for the station even after the construction of KRKO's new tower site is nearly complete... That sound pretty weird to me.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081022/NEWS01/710229763

Published: Wednesday, October 22, 2008
KRKO told no to more towers
A county hearing examiner has rejected plans to erect two more radio towers near Snohomish.
By Yoshiaki Nohara
Herald Writer

(QUOTE)
SNOHOMISH -- A Snohomish County hearing examiner has rejected plans for two radio towers proposed south of Snohomish, citing health concern for nearby residents.

The decision comes after four other radio towers went up this summer amid farmland in the Snohomish River Valley. Those towers were built without taking into account possible health risks associated with the project, said Angela Day of Snohomish.

Day said she hopes that the Federal Communications Commission would note the hearing examiner's decision and withdraw its permit on the four towers. The radio towers don't fit the Snohomish River Valley, Day said.
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Ah, she can keep dreaming.... the FCC won't revoke a permit just because a zoning board or whoever denies their building. the FCC doesnt get involved in stuff like that.

Plus it relaly shows stupidity and how little people know when they say, "I hope the FCC withdraws the permit for the 4 radio towers".... it's not a permit for 4 towers exactly.. but really a LICENSE.... what are they goign to do? Revoke the 4 towers and only allow 2? lol
 
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