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KRMG Loses All Credibility

Where's the conflict? Joe is the host of the KRMG Morning News with Joe Kelly just as Neil Boortz is the host of the Neil Boortz show. Joe does not read the news. He is separate from the news team. It is not the KRMG News "from" Joe Kelly, it's "with" Joe Kelly. The news team takes care of the news through Dan, Glen, Nicole etc. Joe offers his opinion on the news of the day the same way you hear Boortz & Rush. KRMG's P1's are conservatives and this event is something that helps KRMG connect with those listeners. The bond is strengthened between listener and radio station through these events.
 
Matt,
1.) So if Brian Williams of the NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams or Katie Couric of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric were leading a pro-Obama or pro-McCain rally via their blog would you have a problem with it? But yourself in the listener's shoes, not a PD's shoes.
If Joe wants to host the KRMG's morning show, that's fine. Call it the Joe Kelley show, or Joe Kelley, or JK in the morning, but the "KRMG Morning News with Joe Kelley" is deceiving to the listener.
2.) I don't know how old you are Matt, how long you've worked for Cox Radio, or how long you've lived in Tulsa. Never in my life has KRMG engaged in a political organizing event. They've held raft races, held community events (Kennel of Care, Al the can-can man, etc...), covered sports, news, weather, you name it. NEVER has KRMG resorted to organizing a conservative political event.
3.) The bond is strengthened? How? By sacrificing credibility to connect with a few hundred people at a park? Seriously?
When I click on KRMG's homepage to find everything from marching orders to merchandising, Joe, Rick Couri and everyone else who I've heard on the air this week attempt to describe these as grassroots events is lying.
4.) How can a station have credibility with its listeners if its lying to its listeners? How can I believe a word Joe or Rick say when they're blatanly lying to their listeners?
5.) Why is KRMG/Cox Radio going in this direction? And by this direction I mean embracing this radical/fringe element of the Republican Party?
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
Matt,
1.) So if Brian Williams of the NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams or Katie Couric of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric were leading a pro-Obama or pro-McCain rally via their blog would you have a problem with it? Put yourself in the listener's shoes, not a PD's shoes. If Joe wants to host the KRMG's morning show, that's fine. Call it the Joe Kelley show, or Joe Kelley, or JK in the morning, but the "KRMG Morning News with Joe Kelley" is deceiving to the listener.
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It's not the same situation. Joe is not a news anchor or a news reporter. He is a show host. He does not report the news. This is where the confusion comes in. It's not the KRMG Morning News from Joe Kelley. Just like when you tune into Bill O'Reilly, you are getting commentary with news at the top and bottom of the hour.


Glenn Quagmire said:
2.) I don't know how old you are Matt, how long you've worked for Cox Radio, or how long you've lived in Tulsa. Never in my life has KRMG engaged in a political organizing event. They've held raft races, held community events (Kennel of Care, Al the can-can man, etc...), covered sports, news, weather, you name it. NEVER has KRMG resorted to organizing a conservative political event.
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I understand where you are coming from. KRMG is now the voice of the conservative movement and it's shows hosts are all conservative Republicans. It's news is separate from that.

Glenn Quagmire said:
3.) The bond is strengthened? How? By sacrificing credibility to connect with a few hundred people at a park? Seriously?
When I click on KRMG's homepage to find everything from marching orders to merchandising, Joe, Rick Couri and everyone else who I've heard on the air this week attempt to describe these as grassroots events is lying.
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I believe the number was closer to 3,000 throughout the day. (That was the guess of the number of people talked about in the hallways.)

If you click on the news page you won't find any of those things listed above: http://krmg.com/news/index.html

Glenn Quagmire said:
4.) How can a station have credibility with its listeners if its lying to its listeners? How can I believe a word Joe or Rick say when they're blatantly lying to their listeners?
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What did they say that is a lie?

Glenn Quagmire said:
5.) Why is KRMG/Cox Radio going in this direction? And by this direction I mean embracing this radical/fringe element of the Republican Party?
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Are you just mad that there were tea parties in general? This tea party represents the mood of those who mostly vote Republican right now. This gives the KRMG P1's a chance to not only gather and vent but a chance to hear their representatives and give them a piece of their mind as well. The core audience that listens to KRMG was at work and even though several people did not have the chance to attend they heard their favorite radio station step up and give them a voice.
 
Matt, it looks like both KFAQ and KRMG are being attacked by Glenn. Not sure which group he has worked for in the past, but he is not a happy FORMER employee.

Glenn, is anybody doing a good job in this market? I am not attacking you, just curious. Did you like Michael DelGiorno, John Erling, Chris Medlock or anyone else from the past?
 
JournalGuy,

In the "take it outside" thread he said he liked John Erling.

Hope that helps.
 
Perhaps Quagmire would be happy if Chuck Adams came back to radio at KRMG, since he predated Erhling.
 
KRMG is lying by: Joe and Rick describing tea parties as a grass roots effort when in fact they are heavily promoted and organized by conservative media outlets like KRMG. In fact I'm sure this web page, http://krmg.com/features/teapartytulsa.html, was put together by Joe and/or Rick themselves. Why are they telling people these are grass roots efforts when they are SUGGESTING to their listeners what to write on their freakin' protest signs. Slogans such as the following I found on KRMG's website: Obama has a Crisis of Competence
Why Should I Pay for YOUR Bad Decisions, Restore the Republic, Revolt Against Socialism, Sleep? I'll Sleep When Conservatives Run Congress

Matt, Cox Radio and KRMG are crossing a fine line by broadcasting programs with conservative viewpoints to engaging in political protests. This is the kind of behavior that could get something like the Fairness Doctrine reinstated or a broadcast license revoked by the FCC. I dare you to find me a broadcast station (outside of maybe San Francisco) that is rallying its listeners to join in political causes.

I know the radio business is hurting. If you work at Journal you know this by your lighter paycheck this month.

But is the radio business so desperate, it will sacrifice its integrity just to keep listeners? I feel like the guy in 2004/2005 saying something's not right with all these sub-prime mortgages. Many of you who work in radio in this market are rolling your eyes or thinking I'm saying this b/c I'm politically opposed to tea parties.

I'm not against tea parties or any political protests, I'll say it again, it's your God given right as an American. What I'm AGAINST is newscasters promoting political protests (see Brian Gann/KFAQ thread) and stations KRMG and KFAQ included, organizing political protests and then trying to tell people these protests are your idea not theirs when they (KRMG radio) is telling you what to put on your protest sign.

For God's sake Joe Kelley was having people RSVP to the damn thing from his facebook page!

Does the FCC have to come in and start pulling licenses or reinstating fairness doctrines for you all to wake up and smell the coffee? I would be just as militant about this if East or West Coast "Liberal" stations were organizing Obama rallies or anti-Bush rallies. It's one thing for hosts to do this, but for a station to get involved is wrong. And for an opinionmaker (Joe Kelley or Rick Couri) to tell people these things are grass roots and to be having people RSVP through you and telling people what to put on your protest sign is lying to your listener.

You (Tulsa news radio stations) are losing massive amounts of credibility with people over this. May or may not show up in a diary, but
many people I know think this week's event crossed an ethical line.

And for Journalguy who brought up who do I like or dislike from the Tulsa radio market. I think the vast majority of people both past and present are extremely talented, regardless of political philosophy or off-air behavior.
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
KRMG is lying by: Joe and Rick describing tea parties as a grass roots effort when in fact they are heavily promoted and organized by conservative media outlets like KRMG. In fact I'm sure this web page, http://krmg.com/features/teapartytulsa.html, was put together by Joe and/or Rick themselves. Why are they telling people these are grass roots efforts when they are SUGGESTING to their listeners what to write on their freakin' protest signs. Slogans such as the following I found on KRMG's website: Obama has a Crisis of Competence
Why Should I Pay for YOUR Bad Decisions, Restore the Republic, Revolt Against Socialism, Sleep? I'll Sleep When Conservatives Run Congress

Matt, Cox Radio and KRMG are crossing a fine line by broadcasting programs with conservative viewpoints to engaging in political protests. This is the kind of behavior that could get something like the Fairness Doctrine reinstated or a broadcast license revoked by the FCC. I dare you to find me a broadcast station (outside of maybe San Francisco) that is rallying its listeners to join in political causes.

I know the radio business is hurting. If you work at Journal you know this by your lighter paycheck this month.

But is the radio business so desperate, it will sacrifice its integrity just to keep listeners? I feel like the guy in 2004/2005 saying something's not right with all these sub-prime mortgages. Many of you who work in radio in this market are rolling your eyes or thinking I'm saying this b/c I'm politically opposed to tea parties.

I'm not against tea parties or any political protests, I'll say it again, it's your God given right as an American. What I'm AGAINST is newscasters promoting political protests (see Brian Gann/KFAQ thread) and stations KRMG and KFAQ included, organizing political protests and then trying to tell people these protests are your idea not theirs when they (KRMG radio) is telling you what to put on your protest sign.

For God's sake Joe Kelley was having people RSVP to the damn thing from his facebook page!

Does the FCC have to come in and start pulling licenses or reinstating fairness doctrines for you all to wake up and smell the coffee? I would be just as militant about this if East or West Coast "Liberal" stations were organizing Obama rallies or anti-Bush rallies. It's one thing for hosts to do this, but for a station to get involved is wrong. And for an opinionmaker (Joe Kelley or Rick Couri) to tell people these things are grass roots and to be having people RSVP through you and telling people what to put on your protest sign is lying to your listener.

You (Tulsa news radio stations) are losing massive amounts of credibility with people over this. May or may not show up in a diary, but
many people I know think this week's event crossed an ethical line.

And for Journalguy who brought up who do I like or dislike from the Tulsa radio market. I think the vast majority of people both past and present are extremely talented, regardless of political philosophy or off-air behavior.
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Quit crying already. If you don't like it, don't listen.
 
Matt, keep drinking the Cox Kool-Aid buddy. Just be sure to save some room for TEA.

Amazing, that when you take issue with KRMG from a non-political point of view you're completely demonized.

You guys just keep thinking you're doing the Lord's work over there and the rest of us (who don't want to see radio stations with licenses from the FCC organizing political protests) will enjoy or Sirius/XM and IPODs.
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
Matt, keep drinking the Cox Kool-Aid buddy. Just be sure to save some room for TEA.

Amazing, that when you take issue with KRMG from a non-political point of view you're completely demonized.

You guys just keep thinking you're doing the Lord's work over there and the rest of us (who don't want to see radio stations with licenses from the FCC organizing political protests) will enjoy or Sirius/XM and IPODs.
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Glenn, I can't really go with you on this one. Matt's right, Joe Kelley and Rick Couri are talk show hosts, they're not newscasters. It seems the only problem you really have is with the name of the show. Would you prefer "The KRMG Morning News featuring Joe Kelley"? You've mentioned that KRMG organized the Tea Party event, which isn't at all true. Joe and Rick obviously promoted it, which I don't have a problem with in general, because they're certainly not the only radio talk show hosts (local or national) who have promoted these events.

KRMG is a news/talk radio station. This means they have newscasts and talk shows. They are seperate entities airing on the same station. Oprah Winfrey appeared at a Barack Obama campaign rally last year and publicly supported him as a presidential candidate. Do we then say that KOTV has a political slant because they air her talk show? Of course not.

I agree that the lines between the news and opinion on KRMG are becoming heavily blurred, but when I listen, I can still tell the difference between a newscast and a talk show. This is getting harder to do on KFAQ.
 
There is a very thin line between news/opinion on KFAQ. The news dept. has effectively been neutered in recent years. No live reports from the scene, few if any packages, etc....I don't see why there is a news dept. other than to compete with KRMG and to provide coverage during severe weather.

I just don't see how everyone is playing KRMG off as having nothing to do with the tea parties. Why was Joe having people RSVP via his facebook page? Why were offering slogans to put on people's signs?

The difference between Oprah and KOTV, is that you didn't have KOTV employees or any other Oprah affiliate organizing Obama rallies. If Rush, Hannity, Beck, Oprah, Maury, Jerry or whomever wants to engage in a rally, then so be it, I've never nor will I ever take issue with someone's God given right as an American.

It's one thing for them to do it, it's another for the station that broadcasts them to be so heavily involved in a political protest.

The line is being crossed by the station itself getting involved in political protests. When it's the tea party brought to you by KRMG, there's a difference between that and if it's the tea party brought to you by Rush, Savage, etc...

Maybe I'm not articulating this point very well.

1.) I'm not taking issue with anyone's right to protest regardless of political beliefs.
2.) I've taken issue with KRMG's heavy involvement in the tea party protests (this is unprecedented in KRMG history), i.e. (Joe Kelley's facebook page, KRMG's tea party website, KRMG advocating what to be written on protestor signs)
3.) I've also taken issue with a show entitled the KRMG Morning News with Joe Kelley (The on-air product deceives the listener into thinking they're listening to a news program, when they're actually listening to an opinion program sprinkled with nuggets of news, weather, sports, and traffic.)
4.) I understand KRMG is doing this to connect with its perceived overwhelming conservative, anti-Obama audience
5.) Any broadcast station that engages in organizing/sponsoring political protests is venturing into uncharted waters.

Are these stations (KFAQ and KRMG) so worried about their futures they're willing to sacrifice their integrity, history, and whatever else once deemed sacred to keep their listeners?
 
Disclaimer: No dog in this hunt -- a, no dog; b, no longer hunting at all. But, seen/heard from that vantage point, it appears to me...

KRMG's listeners know what they're getting. If they're 'the base,' they know it's truth they can agree with. If it's the opposition, they can count on something to really rile them up, maybe even to give them a rallying-against point.

But--from what I read here, since Diamond City's out of KRMG range--it seems to me that most Tulsans know KRMG for what it is now...
Not the Jim Hartz, Larry Strain, Milt Haynes, Lynn Higbee, Doc Hull, John Chick, Glenn Condon, Robin Parkhurst of the years when just listening to them in Stuttgart, made me fall in love with Tulsa enough to do my college there...
Not the Johnny Martin, who proved you can own the night without playing bubble gum...
Not the Chuck Adams, Jerry Vaughn, John Ehrling, who showed that adult-aimed music and jock comments, mixed with great local news, can likewise own the mornings...
But: talk radio of this third milennum...which--for whatever reason, except in a very few markets--means conservative/far-right appeal talk on the radio...

With that, plus (or maybe, minus) the things KRMG no longer does under the News banner... I suspect Tulsans will continue to come to KRMG when skies get dark and scary; at least, until they realize they're no longer getting the information they counted on in the past (or, maybe Cox will manage to maintain that standard--in which case, listeners needing that service will continue to be well served...and, ain't that what this is supposed to be all about?)
As for "News," the ones who like what's happening to the country will listen and say, "Listen to those naysayers, crying against the reality of the new dawn." And the ones who disagree will be overjoyed that their station still gives voice to truth they can agree with.

As my late top-40 visionary brother, Bill Drake, said it at the top of every other KAKC hour...
"Ladies and gentlemen...the beat ... goes on."
 
Glenn Quagmire said:
There is a very thin line between news/opinion on KFAQ. The news dept. has effectively been neutered in recent years. No live reports from the scene, few if any packages, etc....I don't see why there is a news dept. other than to compete with KRMG and to provide coverage during severe weather.

I just don't see how everyone is playing KRMG off as having nothing to do with the tea parties. Why was Joe having people RSVP via his facebook page? Why were offering slogans to put on people's signs?

The difference between Oprah and KOTV, is that you didn't have KOTV employees or any other Oprah affiliate organizing Obama rallies. If Rush, Hannity, Beck, Oprah, Maury, Jerry or whomever wants to engage in a rally, then so be it, I've never nor will I ever take issue with someone's God given right as an American.

It's one thing for them to do it, it's another for the station that broadcasts them to be so heavily involved in a political protest.

The line is being crossed by the station itself getting involved in political protests. When it's the tea party brought to you by KRMG, there's a difference between that and if it's the tea party brought to you by Rush, Savage, etc...

Maybe I'm not articulating this point very well.

1.) I'm not taking issue with anyone's right to protest regardless of political beliefs.
2.) I've taken issue with KRMG's heavy involvement in the tea party protests (this is unprecedented in KRMG history), i.e. (Joe Kelley's facebook page, KRMG's tea party website, KRMG advocating what to be written on protestor signs)
3.) I've also taken issue with a show entitled the KRMG Morning News with Joe Kelley (The on-air product deceives the listener into thinking they're listening to a news program, when they're actually listening to an opinion program sprinkled with nuggets of news, weather, sports, and traffic.)
4.) I understand KRMG is doing this to connect with its perceived overwhelming conservative, anti-Obama audience
5.) Any broadcast station that engages in organizing/sponsoring political protests is venturing into uncharted waters.

Are these stations (KFAQ and KRMG) so worried about their futures they're willing to sacrifice their integrity, history, and whatever else once deemed sacred to keep their listeners?
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You aren't separating Joe Kelley as an individual from KRMG as a station. Yes, Joe is employed by KRMG to be a talk show host, not a newscaster. If Joe chooses to promote a political event on his show, his Facebook page, etc, then that is his perrogative. As far as KRMG having a tea party website, all I have seen is the KRMG Morning News blog, which is apprently maintained by Joe Kelley. While this is a little grey to me, a blog run by a talk show host is essentially an extension of that show. I also haven't heard KRMG advocating what protestors should place on their signs. I've heard Joe Kelley mentioning what protestors can write. But again, Joe Kelley is the host of an opinion talk show. He is employed by KRMG to offer his opinion and commentary, just like Dan Potter is employed by KRMG to read the news.

I agree that "The KRMG Morning News with Joe Kelley" is probably not the best title for this program. But I think the point is that the show overall is a news show, when you consider that it is news, weather, and traffic heavy, with commentary by Joe Kelley and Rick Couri.

I'm no fan of conservative radio at all, but I think you're making an issue out of a non-issue. Until I hear a KRMG newscaster promote something political (or until I hear Joe Kelley reading a newscast), I basically have no problem with the show from an ethical point of view. I listen to the show for news and weather, which I know I can catch often on the show. After that, I usually flip to something musical, unless something is mentioned that catches my attention. I think the majority of adult listeners in KRMG's coverage area are smart enough to figure out what is "news" and what is "opinion". No one is being forced to listen to anything. As for the "perceived overwhelming anti-Obama audience", the numbers in the books don't lie. KRMG is giving listeners what they want to hear, for better or worse. And that's really what it's all about in the radio business these days.
 
Okay---I’ve watched this for about a week and I gotta weigh-in.

I actually understand where Glen is coming from. I had many of the same concerns when we launched the morning news in 2004. It was then called “The KRMG Morning News with John Erling“. I feared that by having the entire morning product labeled "NEWS", some of Big John’s antics would taint the news department’s image with casual or non-P1 listeners. I argued for “The KRMG Morning News AND John Erling” as the brand. It was a battle I lost and the research eventually proved me wrong. Scooter is right---"The Beat Goes On.",

It was always a very delicate balance at KRMG between the show content and the bona fide newscasts. I am sure it remains the same for Dan Potter. So long as Potter and crew keep the actual casts void of opinion with straight forward/honest reporting, they will be fine.

The KRMG Monster is bigger than any host or brand. Depend on it!
 
Scooter,

All seriousness aside about the mighty KMR and its news.

Your signature line is great! Johnny Vegas. An inadvertent role model for all of us.

I like Hiassen as well as Dorsey. Check out Joan Hess. She writes about our hillbilly cousins across the border.

Stan
 
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