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KRON 4.2
- Thread starter 1069_KIFR
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What! Kron should go off the air and move to TV 48 and let NBC take over KNTV and put KNTV on 4 and put KSTS on 11 or 3 via Xfinity. I heard this before. Or make My network TV be a sub channel on 36, 20 or 38 or don't come to the SFO market. this KRON 4 News 24/7 will not last long. Young should get rid of KRON all-together like what some have suggested 10 years ago. Its Dead for 10 years.
1069_KIFR said:
I can honestly say that I haven't. I've never lived in the Bay Area, so my familiarity with KRON is purely anecdotal. I know of the station and of their difficulties since foolishly telling NBC to go pound sand back in 2001.
1069_KIFR said:
Sounds dreadful. Boy, they sure showed NBC, didn't they?
AKA said:
Yes - that's why Young Broadcasting had to declare bankrupcty. Young paid a reported 800 million for KRON, but ended up with a low-grade indy station. KRON labels itself as "The Bay Area's News station" - but the product is truly inferior. During the hours they are up against other stations' newscats, their news is lowest in ratings.
4.2 will not help, and will just be (at best) a repeat of Bay TV - pre-recorded newscasts repeated often, informericlas, and reruns of other KRON programming.
I recall that Bay TV had some additional locally produced fare, especially a talk/variety/interview show with Susan Blake and Johnny Steele, and which I recall being pretty good.
Both KNTV and KGO-7 ran their digital subchannels as 24/7 weather/news update channels for a while, but both were re-configured within the past couple of years as syndicated-lifestyle-show channels. I haven't watched much on either, but the KGO one (the LiveWell Channel) has an outdoors/hiking show called "Motion" which is pretty good if you are into that sort of thing.
No one really cares about channel numbers as much as you think anymore. This board is an anomaly in that fact because it's loaded with broadcasters, engineers and radio/tv geeks but the average TV watcher does not give a rip. All they know or care to know is CBS is on channel 'x' in their market, NBC is on channel 'y' and so forth and so on. Moving KNTV to channel 4 just because it once had legacy NBC status benefits no one and just confuses Granny Gums in Mountain View who just wants to watch her Days Of Our Lives stories. The majority of television viewers have long since forgotten KRON was an NBC affiliate. It's ancient history much like where the KRON call letters were derived from in the first place.recto101 said:
I'm always tickled to hear about how far KRON has fallen. Young Broadcasting thought they were so slick in their purchase back in 2001 and how they would be able to flip the station much like a house and sell it off for a mint to someone else and it's done nothing but explode in their face time and time again.
Robnoxious said:
Yup - that's why they brand KNTV as "NBC Bay Area." People know where to find it, and the fact that they broadcast on Channel 11 means next to nothing, especially when the majority of viewers are seeing KNTV on Channel 3 for cable (not sure about satellite). Channel 3 actually has some benefits - If you hdo ave cable or satellite, and turn on your TV without the cable box, the first channel you'll see will be 3. That probably doesn't make much difference, but it doesn't hurt either.
Those are the de-facto standard channels those networks like. FOX kinda likes Channel 5 in most markets.
I recall back here in the Seattle area, CBS was interested at one point, in obtaining Fisher Broadcasting. That would have made CBS go to KOMO-4 and KATU-2 in Portland, OR, joining the rest of Fisher's properties, whom are mostly CBS affiliates....Which here in the Seattle area, KIRO-7 could have became an ABC affiliate (And also KOIN-6 in Portland).
In San Diego, Tribune had the coveted Ch. 5 position on cable back when they were WB, then CW, which was perfect for FOX once KSWB grabbed them.
I recall back here in the Seattle area, CBS was interested at one point, in obtaining Fisher Broadcasting. That would have made CBS go to KOMO-4 and KATU-2 in Portland, OR, joining the rest of Fisher's properties, whom are mostly CBS affiliates....Which here in the Seattle area, KIRO-7 could have became an ABC affiliate (And also KOIN-6 in Portland).
In San Diego, Tribune had the coveted Ch. 5 position on cable back when they were WB, then CW, which was perfect for FOX once KSWB grabbed them.
Lkeller said:
How come in radio we tend to hear of frequency swaps like KDFC switching from 102.1 to 89.9FM? or KFRC moving from 610AM to 106.9FM. True I do know that the Network TV O&O's would have "NBCyourcity.com", "MyFoxcity.com" and "CBSyourcity.com" and has phased out channel numbers in their websites.
1069_KIFR said:
In a very limited number of major markets.
Overall... in the analog days:
More ABC stations were on channel 13 than any other channel. (19)
More CBS stations were on channel 3. (21 stations)
More Fox stations were on channel 11. (8)*
More NBC stations were on channel 6. (19)
* I didn't check UHF. It's possible some UHF channel has more than 8 Fox affiliates.
To look at it from a different angle...
More channel 2 stations were NBC affiliates than any other network. (16 stations)
More channel 3 stations were NBC. (16)
More channel 4 stations were NBC. (17)
More channel 5 stations were CBS. (17)
More channel 6 stations were NBC. (19)
More channel 7 stations were ABC. (18)
More channel 8 stations were ABC. (16)
More channel 9 stations were ABC. (15)
More channel 10 stations were CBS. (17)
More channel 11 stations were CBS. (15)
More channel 12 stations were CBS. (19)
More channel 13 stations were ABC. (19)
recto101 said:
A correction - KFRC did not "switch" from 610 to 106.9. As an Oldies station, they were on 99.7 for about 15 years. During most of that time, they simulcast with 610 AM. Like any brand, the call letters "KFRC" had value and name recognition to Bay Area listeners, so CBS used the calls to attract listeners. 106.9 was the only time it didn't work.
A better analogy might be Wild 107 (.7 - KYLD). When Clear Channel bought it, they swapped frequencies with 94.9 (and no doubt paid some money). It was to get the superior 94.9 frequency with greater coverage.
TV is a bit different. Stations generally stay where they were originally allocated, unless an affiliate is dumped, as in what happened to KRON when Young Broadcasting bought the station, and pissed off NBC. And it wasn't that KRON moved, obviously, just that NBC programming moved to KNTV.
That recent switch to "NBC Your City" just reflects the fact that we live in a cable and satellite world now, and channels are not necessarily received by viewers on their broadcast channel. But the change is slow - there are still plenty of "ABC7"s and
"CBS5"s.
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