michael hagerty said:
WOW Michael there's hope for mankind!!
That's an actual list of songs 107.1 The Peak (Briarcliffe Manor-White Plains, NY) played in the last few days at those times. Readily accessable online, Tune-In etc.
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KRTH 2013 Labor Day Countdown
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WOW Michael there's hope for mankind!!
That's an actual list of songs 107.1 The Peak (Briarcliffe Manor-White Plains, NY) played in the last few days at those times. Readily accessable online, Tune-In etc.
SuperRadioFan said:michael hagerty said:
WOW Michael there's hope for mankind!!
That's an actual list of songs 107.1 The Peak (Briarcliffe Manor-White Plains, NY) played in the last few days at those times. Readily accessable online, Tune-In etc.
Ha!
I keep telling everyone...my tastes are very eclectic. Most of my favorite songs are stiffs or LP tracks. I just don't expect anyone trying to make a profit in radio to cater to me.
I'll go tune in on Tune-In now. Thanks!
You're welcome! I just noticed an artist repeated on that list although different tracks. World Party, which is two times in 5 days they were played between 3:30 and 3:50 pm... which is two times more than they were played on SoCal radio in 2013!
I'd vote for those as well!! Sad to say, all 3 are now "OH WOW!!" songs on any big market station with ratings. And the original stereo version of "Runaway", which was rarely or never played on any OTA FM oldies/classic hits station, would have been an "OH WOW!!" track on any station in the genre.kenb said:
SuperRadioFan said:
I've listened for 25 minutes and love it. AAA is one of my favorite formats, but it doesn't work in most cities (it did in L.A. 35-40 years ago with KNX-FM, but L.A. has changed).
michael hagerty said:
Amen to that, too bad 92.7 went the way it did, AAA in SoCal would only work on a fringe signal. I'll bet a AAA 92.7 would've gotten better ratiings than what's on there now!
The Peak actually got a 0.7 in the last 4 ratings period for NYC and a 1.8 in the latest Hudson Valley ratings
http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb393
SuperRadioFan said:
No, that's the problem...it won't even work on a fringe signal. To get a salable number in L.A., you'd need for anyone in the market who wanted to hear it to be able to do so easily...and then you'd need more people like that. The 70s and KNX-FM were perfect for it.
New York's backyard, San Francisco, Seattle and Boulder are where it works now. With the exception of Boulder, I wouldn't try it more than 20 miles inland, and only north of Santa Barbara (or maybe Big Sur) on the West Coast and White Plains on the east.
semoochie said:
I was thinking of KINK. Don't know why I wrote "Seattle" instead of "Portland".
Before KLSX signed on in 1984 or thereabouts, the #1 song on this survey always came down to Hey Jude, Light My Fire, or Stairway To Heaven, but there really hasn't been that much variety among the top ten since, has there?
I quit listening to it several years ago because most of the tunes were burnt to a crisp for my eardrums, even thought their testing stats otherwise.
I'm still inclined to believe that in spite of KRTH's decision to directly solicit their listening audience in compiling this survey, there's no doubt in my mind that 99.99999% of us will be able to predict the top 5 before they reach the top 25, and the prospects for hearing an 'oh, wow' song or two that you'd be far more likely to hear on CBS-FM are nonexistent.
I quit listening to it several years ago because most of the tunes were burnt to a crisp for my eardrums, even thought their testing stats otherwise.
I'm still inclined to believe that in spite of KRTH's decision to directly solicit their listening audience in compiling this survey, there's no doubt in my mind that 99.99999% of us will be able to predict the top 5 before they reach the top 25, and the prospects for hearing an 'oh, wow' song or two that you'd be far more likely to hear on CBS-FM are nonexistent.
Marv-L.A. said:
Right.
And that's because of all the reasons I've outlined above.
As for CBS-FM, New York and L. A. have always been very different places. In '65, there were people smoking grass and asking B. Mitchel Reed to play tracks from the Byrds album that weren't singles on KFWB (by the next year, he would). Meantime, in New York, Cousin Brucie was still getting requests from the kids at the malt shop for Lesley Gore.
New York has more of an institutional memory for the older stuff...it's a part of the culture. L.A.'s not like that. Never was.
Be thankful for what you've got, Los Angeles. KRTH is a fun station. I always listen for hours in the car when we visit the Southland. If my daughter is with us, it drives her nuts. It's nice to see Christina Kelley's success - great voice, talented person, entertaining show.
For Classic Hits in the Bay Area, we have only Clear Channel's weak voice-tracked "The Bay's 103.7" They couldn't even come up with a clever brand for it, and they rotate only about 600 songs.
If I lived in LA, I would probably tire of the play list, and listen less often, but it's certainly much better than under Phillips and Coffey. When I visited LA in the 90s, I would tire of KRTH's repetition after a day.
For Classic Hits in the Bay Area, we have only Clear Channel's weak voice-tracked "The Bay's 103.7" They couldn't even come up with a clever brand for it, and they rotate only about 600 songs.
If I lived in LA, I would probably tire of the play list, and listen less often, but it's certainly much better than under Phillips and Coffey. When I visited LA in the 90s, I would tire of KRTH's repetition after a day.
michael hagerty said:
In New York you'll find lots of people whose families have lived there for many generations, and are more entrenched in a certain mindset. In SoCal you have a large portion of the population that has moved from elsewhere, resulting in plenty of demographic churn and fresher musical tastes.
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In New York, radio stations' Top 300 or Top 500 lists have typically included a lot of doo-wop: Skyliners, Moonglows, Penguins, Drifters, Flamingos, Capris, Del Vikings, Five Satins, Dion & the Belmonts, et al. But don't New York's oldies/classic-hits stations continue to play those songs on a regular basis? In southern California, no stations play those artists anymore and, as Michael and David have noted, a station's "core" listeners will usually vote for only those songs that they hear on the station every day. I'm thinking that if KRTH had never stopped playing those aforementioned artists, their hits might still be making it on each year's Top 500. Art Laboe, through the popularity of his radio shows and concerts and Oldies But Goodies albums, has shown that there are still a lot of fans who enjoy hearing those artists and songs.
Going back through WCBS-FM's played songs for today, I'm not seeing anything pre-Beatles.
Here's this year's CBS-FM Memorial Day countdown: http://wcbsfm.cbslocal.com/top-lists/top-500-song-memorial-day-countdown/
Not seeing any evidence there, either.
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Thomps2525
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Gadzooks! Nothing prior to 1964! It looks as though 'CBS-FM has followed the trend and dropped all the older songs. I can't believe that no pre-1964 songs got enough votes to make the Top 500---and how many times in years past was In The Still Of The Nite in the top ten or at number one?---and there also are no songs past 1990, so I figure that this year's Top 500 excludes songs that aren't on the everyday playlist. And if that is the case, then why even bother to let listeners vote? I'm hopeful that KRTH's upcoming list will be more inclusive.
Many years have passed, Steve. Someone who was 16 when "In The Still Of The Nite" hit is 73 now. Not many of them left and voting for radio countdowns, certainly not when put up against the tonnage of people in their mid 30s-mid 40s.
As for no songs past 1990, we've covered that. People view CBS-FM (like KRTH) as a time machine and they're just not nostalgic enough for the 90s yet. They'll get there.
As for the authenticity of the list, Billy Joel's "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant" making #115 while the Eagles' "Peaceful Easy Feeling" is #499 sure sounds like a New York audience to me.
Two things may have happened:
1) CBS-FM deleted all the pre-64 music voted, so that the list reflects current demos or 2) fewer people over 55 voted to begin with (probably already fed up with the station mainly playing 70's and 80's lately, so why bother?). And the votes that probably came in were deleted anyways since they were the older songs, like "In the Still of the Nite"......sad, but most likely true.
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Three things may have happened:
3) The number of votes for any one song from before 1964 was simply not enough to get it into the countdown. Oldies, do the math. A listener who was 16 in 1964 is 65 now. So the bulk of pre-1964 votes for songs that are people's all-time favorites are likely to come from people older than that. Factor in death, infirmity, the lack of comfort with navigating the CBS-FM website and casting a vote, and there's no way that group of people doesn't get crushed by the 35-55 year olds who are alive, well and participating.
It's not a 55+ issue, it's a 65+ one. I'm 57, I don't think there's a single pre-Beatles song that I'd count as one of my 3 or 5 all-time favorite songs for a countdown (I don't expect CBS-FM or KRTH to play Stan Kenton, Nat Cole, Count Basie, Johnny Mathis, Dave Brubeck or Tony Bennett, and while I think Doo-Wop, Elvis, Little Richard and Frankie Avalon are fine, I never have considered them favorites).
CBS-FM doesn't have to delete any votes for this to happen...it's just the passage of time.
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