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KSAT 12 power question

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jras20

I did a re-scan after adjusting my antenna and now I am picking up 12-2 and 12-4 but 12-3 and 12-1 are blacked out. Anything going on with the transmitter?
 
I wonder if KENS 5 reduced power? I read they are now 3.0 on KSAT's site.
 
While they have a 3.0 feed on KSAT’s RF station which is VHF at 74,000 watts they are still 1.0 on their station (RF 29) cooking at 1 million watts
 
Been having issues on picking up San antonio stations here lately. Don't know if this is the 3.0 issue or not? I even got reports that Direct TV has issues today on channel 4 5 12 and 29. I had problems with 4 and 5 29 seems weaker.
 
Mr Tony said:
KSAT's transmitter is actullay the ASTC 3.0 so the 1.0 feeds are on different stations
12-4 is on KENS station
12-2 is on KVDA (Telemundo) station

12-1 & 12-3 is on KLRN PBS station which is on RF9
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This, of course, is just the latest example of "let's change things without telling the viewers".

In this case, as you very accurately point out, right now one station per market is handling all the ATSC 3.0 transmissions, and the ATSC 1.0 versions (along with the subchannels) are scattered about amongst the stations who are sharing the 3.0 RF channel.

Prepare for a headache as I illustrate the situation here in Los Angeles to amplify your well-taken point:
The 3.0 station is KCOP-TV on RF 13. It also carries the 3.0 feeds of KCBS-TV, KNBC, KTLA, and co-owned KTTV. But only one of the KCOP 1.0 feeds is on their co-owned station; 13.1 is on KTLA (RF 35), 13.2 is on KCBS-TV (RF 31), 13.3 is on KNBC (RF 36), and 13.4 is on KTTV (RF 11).

And each of those stations have at least four 1.0 streams of their own.

The average viewer thinks all of the "13" channels are on the KCOP RF 13 transmitter, when in fact none of them are, and each of the four is on a different transmitter but identified as "13.x" via PSIP.

As for my contention that they never tell the viewers in advance, when they did all this shuffling it took me the better part of an hour to find where everything was, because even a rescan didn't sort things out right away (I had to manually check each of the five stations involved.

Right now, KABC-TV and KCAL are not participating in 3.0 ... KABC-TV channel shares RF 7 (four 1.0 streams) with KRCA (three 1.0 streams) -- which may be a complicating factor -- and KCAL (RF 9) is already running six 1.0 streams.

I am not well-versed on how 1.0 streams can share bandwidth on 3.0 signals, but it seems to me that when the "big cutover" happens and everyone is transmitting their own channels on their own transmitters there's either going to be a big degradation in 1.0 subchannel "signals" or some of the diginets are going to go "bye-bye" or end up on LPTVs.
 
I'm not in favor of 3.0 at all. There is nothing wrong with 1.0. Why fix something that is not broke? I can get clear pictures even in the most remote areas with a pair of rabbit ears and NO internet! I think this will really hurt regular OTA TV.
 
I can't pick up KLRN even though I'm at the edge of the local signal.
 
Can anyone confirm that KTBC 7 is broadcasting in 3.0? I can no longer pick up 7-1.
 
jras20 said:
I'm not in favor of 3.0 at all. There is nothing wrong with 1.0. Why fix something that is not broke? I can get clear pictures even in the most remote areas with a pair of rabbit ears and NO internet! I think this will really hurt regular OTA TV.
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IMHO there is a hidden agenda for 3.0. eventually OTA TV will be pay for view. Or worse OTA viewing becomes Internet dependant. That way they can totally track your use. BTW I bet you will not be able to turn off or delete the "cookies" installed on your 3.0 TV.

I believe the industry has it wrong. If I am going to pay for TV I will not tolerate commercials.

I know this sounds weird but the only hope for the continuation of free TV is the billionaire NFL owners. If they price themselves out of the ability of average folks to follow their teams, they will be dependable on tax deals for stadiums, corporate and really rich folks to pay for seats. If you team is not over hyped (Cowboys) or a consistent winner do you really think someone is going to pay to watch a 4 and 11 team play a 5 and 10 team. Only college teams have that kind of loyalty. Example my wife is a UT Volunteer fan. She has been loyal even when they had bad coaches and teams.
 


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