KSFO To 810

[michael hagerty]

Guess I'm "dangerous" then.

Without getting too deep into politics here, let's look at the quote you were responding to:

whose insanely extreme opposition to anything that isn't MAGA has become rather dangerous for what little is left of compromise and moderate civility,

cc333 isn't saying you're dangerous. He's saying "insanely extreme opposition to anything that isn't MAGA" is dangerous.

 

[TomásEstefan]

That's right.

You know what, though? If that happened (at KCBS---David has explained why KGO will eventually change), in six months, it'd seem normal. They're already positioning FM first: "News 106-nine and AM 740, KCBS."

I thought I wouldn't get used to it when they retired the late Nick Michaels' top-of-the-hour "What's happening and why" ID. Didn't take long, and it's been five-plus years now.

I miss him on KCBS too. KTYD, though, in SB still uses some of his IDs and liners. I haven't recently checked but they still might be airing his week-end show, "Off the Deep End". Which is terrific...

 

[Mark Roberts]

That's right.

You know what, though? If that happened (at KCBS---David has explained why KGO will eventually change), in six months, it'd seem normal. They're already positioning FM first: "News 106-nine and AM 740, KCBS."

I thought I wouldn't get used to it when they retired the late Nick Michaels' top-of-the-hour "What's happening and why" ID. Didn't take long, and it's been five-plus years now.

I don’t recall that they’re preceding it with “News” but that doesn’t invalidate the larger point. When I first lived in San Francisco, it was “KCBS All-News 74”. That has changed over time and the sun continued to rise in the east most days.

 

[Paul]

Since you are a listener, you might be able to tell us: Is there anything on-air other than referring to the station as "810/KSFO" telling the audience to change the dial away from 560?

Yep. They're telling people to change their preset from 560 to 810 now. Not much else. Very subtle.

 

[Paul]

Now, now, let's settle down. Political arguments without a radio/TV context are frowned upon here. I've been guilty of this myself, as its easy to veer off course if you're not careful.

Remember, the name of this site is RADIO discussions, and not POLITICAL discussions.

Thanks for the advice. The comment that started this called MAGA people"dangerous". That's not political? The NPR affiliate posts almost always lean political. But the mods don't seem to see it that way. My confusion is greater than ever.

 

[michael hagerty]

I don’t recall that they’re preceding it with “News” but that doesn’t invalidate the larger point. When I first lived in San Francisco, it was “KCBS All-News 74”. That has changed over time and the sun continued to rise in the east most days.

Reporter lockouts and traffic ends are just "KCBS". Weather ends with "All News 106-nine and AM 740, KCBS" (I just checked at 2:18 pacific).

I hear that most frequently, because I'm usually tuning in for a traffic report on my way into the city at :58, so I'll roll through the weather, the headline teaser and the beginning of the CBS news at the top of the hour just to catch up.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Reporter lockouts and traffic ends are just "KCBS". Weather ends with "All News 106-nine and AM 740, KCBS" (I just checked at 2:18 pacific).

I hear that most frequently, because I'm usually tuning in for a traffic report on my way into the city at :58, so I'll roll through the weather, the headline teaser and the beginning of the CBS news at the top of the hour just to catch up.

Thanks... didn't remember all the details.

Point remains, I think effects on listeners are subtle at best as long as there's consistency.

 

[davideduardo]

Moderator note: I deleted a whole batch of posts about Left vs. Right which had nothing to do with radio.

Again, and louder now, if a post is not at least minimally about radio, it does not belong here. Left, Right, Up, Down, no radio = no post.

 

[michael hagerty]

Jeez, it's the same one from when the simulcast first started, 560 KSFO is on the move to 810 AM. They have limited time available for anything beyond that, apparently, without interrupting the syndicated shows and commercials.

When KOY in Phoenix made the move from 550 to 1230 in 1999, they mailed out postcards to all the KOY Club members, with a Norman Rockwell-ish picture and the words...We're moving, and details on the flip side. It worked, as they were able to move over most of the listeners. I can't imagine that being done today.

Well, what helped to scoot them along is that at 6:00 a.m. on the first morning that KOY was on 1230, the new KGME morning show began with a Sinatra parody...

"Start spreadin' the news....

Your station is dead...."

 

[KilowattKat]

Well, what helped to scoot them along is that at 6:00 a.m. on the first morning that KOY was on 1230, the new KGME morning show began with a Sinatra parody...

"Start spreadin' the news....

Your station is dead...."

I don't remember how KGME did their move from 1360 to 550, maybe a sale of 1360 was involved, which set off the move?

1230, which was Classic Country at the time, was a 2 week simulcast with KOY, kicked off one morning with Danny Davis and Charlie Martin.

 

[michael hagerty]

I don't remember how KGME did their move from 1360 to 550, maybe a sale of 1360 was involved, which set off the move?

Yeah...it's hard to put together from what's online, but that paired with memory says that when Chancellor bought KOY and KFYI, it already had 1230 and 1360. It sold 1360 to Salem, moved KGME's format and intellectual property to 550 and KOY's to 1230.

And I think (and I'm putting a lot of qualifiers here because I can't find the stuff I usually find to post), the Clear Channel/Chancellor deal came fairly quickly after that and they moved swapped KFYI to 550 and KGME to 910.

 

[KeithE4]

Yeah...it's hard to put together from what's online, but that paired with memory says that when Chancellor bought KOY and KFYI, it already had 1230 and 1360. It sold 1360 to Salem, moved KGME's format and intellectual property to 550 and KOY's to 1230.

And I think (and I'm putting a lot of qualifiers here because I can't find the stuff I usually find to post), the Clear Channel/Chancellor deal came fairly quickly after that and they moved swapped KFYI to 550 and KGME to 910.

IIRC, KRUX had at one time been co-owned with The Edge, KEDJ 106.3. After the sale of the KGME intellectual property, they kept the 1360 transmitter and simulcast 106.3 as KFDJ. The sale of the transmitter to Salem was a couple months later.

I'm going from increasingly fuzzy memory here.

 

[michael hagerty]

IIRC, KRUX had at one time been co-owned with The Edge, KEDJ 106.3. After the sale of the KGME intellectual property, they kept the 1360 transmitter and simulcast 106.3 as KFDJ. The sale of the transmitter to Salem was a couple months later.

I'm going from increasingly fuzzy memory here.

Less fuzzy than mine, Keith. That sounds right.

 

[Cityguy76]

With KSFO already establishing itself on 810 where now the curious what will happen to 560? Cumulus selling to Bloomberg? Maybe becomes an all talk Liberal station? Or maybe the format becomes a country or turns back into an oldies station? Be interesting to see...

 

[fybush]

With KSFO already establishing itself on 810 where now the curious what will happen to 560? Cumulus selling to Bloomberg? Maybe becomes an all talk Liberal station? Or maybe the format becomes a country or turns back into an oldies station? Be interesting to see...

A. Nobody knows yet, maybe not even Cumulus.

B. You're on page 17 of a 335-post that's been full of speculation and informed opinion about all of those ideas and why none is likely to happen.

 

[Mark Roberts]

For the heck of it, I just tried to access the KSFO website and was blocked from doing so. Possibly that’s because I’m not in the United States at the moment. It seems odd, though, to block the whole site from such access.

 

[Miss Tuned]

For the heck of it, I just tried to access the KSFO website and was blocked from doing so. Possibly that’s because I’m not in the United States at the moment. It seems odd, though, to block the whole site from such access.

This is standard for those of us in the UK. All Cumulus sites are blocked, as well as Audacy and quite a lot of sites from smaller operators. They normally give an uninformative message telling you that you've been blocked because you look like a cyber attacker, or something. I have no idea what the desired end result of such blanket blocking is. A very basic cheap/free VPN gets around it - it feels more like security theater than anything else.

 

[Mark Roberts]

This is standard for those of us in the UK. All Cumulus sites are blocked, as well as Audacy and quite a lot of sites from smaller operators. They normally give an uninformative message telling you that you've been blocked because you look like a cyber attacker, or something. I have no idea what the desired end result of such blanket blocking is. A very basic cheap/free VPN gets around it - it feels more like security theater than anything else.

I’m in London at the moment, for a few more days. So that explains it; thank you!

Possibly it’s some kind of copyright or licensing issue at play. Oh, no great loss, really. I just wondered if there was any indication at all of the move to a different frequency.

One thing that does rub me the wrong way is the claim from the site operator doing the blocking that this is a security issue. I spent 30 years in cybersecurity and can tell you that such a statement is equivalent to that which comes out of the wrong end of a horse.

 

[fybush]

I’m in London at the moment, for a few more days. So that explains it; thank you!

Possibly it’s some kind of copyright or licensing issue at play. Oh, no great loss, really. I just wondered if there was any indication at all of the move to a different frequency.

One thing that does rub me the wrong way is the claim from the site operator doing the blocking that this is a security issue. I spent 30 years in cybersecurity and can tell you that such a statement is equivalent to that which comes out of the wrong end of a horse.

Isn't it mostly a compliance issue - blocking the UK/EU from access means you don't have to deal with complying with all the GDPR privacy requirements, cookie notification and so on that the EU mandates?

 

[radiofan2023]

Or maybe the format becomes a country

I don’t think that’s physically possible…