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KSFW LICENSE TO COVER

I'm only guessing that it maps to 43-1, since it can't be mapping to 2-1.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
I'm only guessing that it maps to 43-1, since it can't be mapping to 2-1.
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Well, in any event, it looks like another HCCN phantom, filing a license to cover for a station that never lit up (see KQFW). I checked with two associates, both close to downtown Dallas with all band antennas -- not a thing. Now that I'm home, I connected the Sencore directly to my low-V antenna (a Y5-2-6, which did very well getting KHPK when it was on RF-3). Nothing but noise down on channel 2, nothing even remotely approaching an 8VSB waveform.
 
KSFW got their license to broadcast from downtown Dallas. I suspect it's just a formality so they can refile their application to broadcast from downtown Ft. Worth instead (assuming that's under 30 miles from the Dallas site, of course).

I doubt they'll ever light up the Dallas transmitter. I have no chance of receiving their puny Dallas signal anyway. But surprisingly, if they get the Ft. Worth application approved, I could receive them since they requested 3 kW (a considerable boost from 130 watts) with a nondirectional antenna for the Ft. Worth site.
 
JHBrandt said:
KSFW got their license to broadcast from downtown Dallas. I suspect it's just a formality...
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Maybe Trip or w9wi can follow up on this. The licensee (LMO CHRISTIAN MEDIA, INC./HCCN) has twice within the past few months been granted licenses for two facilities that never emitted so much as an electron:

KQFW (RF-56)
KSFW (RF-2)

When an entity files a license to cover (and then later gets that granted by FCC), is there any requirement at all to actually build and light up the facility?
 
Bob E. Nelson said:
Maybe Trip or w9wi can follow up on this. The licensee (LMO CHRISTIAN MEDIA, INC./HCCN) has twice within the past few months been granted licenses for two facilities that never emitted so much as an electron:

KQFW (RF-56)
KSFW (RF-2)

When an entity files a license to cover (and then later gets that granted by FCC), is there any requirement at all to actually build and light up the facility?
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http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-12-185A1.pdf

An FM translator in Milwaukee has been called on the carpet for pretty much that. One in Florida has reportedly received a similar inquiry.

Actually, I don't see anything on the license-to-cover form (www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form347/347.pdf) that requires the station to actually operate before a license-to-cover may be requested. You do however have to certify that "The facility was constructed as authorized in the underlying construction permit.". (you have to build it, but you don't have to turn it on)

Trip may be able to elaborate on this part.

To my knowledge the minimum operating schedule regulations don't apply until the license-to-cover is granted. So it's possible the station operated for only a few minutes in the middle of the day (or middle of the night), just long enough to make some measurements, and was then shut down.
 
Without being able to elaborate, I'll just tell you that there's no indication on the top floor of the BOA building in Downtown Dallas that this facility has been built. I would think/hope the local FCC office would check on that, but who knows.
 
Is it possible some equipment was temporarily brought up there? Some gear in an Anvil case & an antenna on a receiving antenna tripod on the flat roof, something like that?

The station (FM translator) in Florida was reportedly "mobile" -- transmitter mounted in a truck with a telescoping mast, they'd park it in a rest area for a few hours & operate, then shut it down & drop the mast.
 
Anything is possible. Just because my observation didn't see it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't there.. but there was no indication of it.. and ample indication of everyone else that's up there.
 
I actually don't know what the rules are on that. I would find it very easy to believe it was never built, though.

- Trip
 
Yeah, if you didn't see anythign up there I rather doubt it was actually built -- but people have done some pretty strange things to keep a permit active!
 
Bob E. Nelson said:
The licensee (LMO CHRISTIAN MEDIA, INC./HCCN) has twice within the past few months been granted licenses for two facilities that never emitted so much as an electron
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Strictly speaking, radio/TV transmitters emit photons, not electrons :D ;)

Just having a little fun ;D
 
Missed it by THAT much

JHBrandt said:
KSFW got their license to broadcast from downtown Dallas. I suspect it's just a formality so they can refile their application to broadcast from downtown Ft. Worth instead (assuming that's under 30 miles from the Dallas site, of course).

I doubt they'll ever light up the Dallas transmitter. I have no chance of receiving their puny Dallas signal anyway. But surprisingly, if they get the Ft. Worth application approved, I could receive them since they requested 3 kW (a considerable boost from 130 watts) with a nondirectional antenna for the Ft. Worth site.
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Sure enough, KSFW applied for a new CP to move to a 3 kW nondirectional transmitting antenna. But they've decided to stay in downtown Dallas. I guess the Ft. Worth site is still over 30 miles away. Whatever the reason, for now they gave up on that part.

I might even be able to receive it if they actually light it up this time ::)
 
Re: Missed it by THAT much

JHBrandt said:
Sure enough, KSFW applied for a new CP to move to a 3 kW nondirectional transmitting antenna. But they've decided to stay in downtown Dallas. I guess the Ft. Worth site is still over 30 miles away. Whatever the reason, for now they gave up on that part.
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I predict they'll file a license to cover (and never light it up). That will then be followed by an app to move to Cedar Hill.
 
Re: Missed it by THAT much

Bob E. Nelson said:
I predict they'll file a license to cover (and never light it up). That will then be followed by an app to move to Cedar Hill.
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LOL :D The FCC approved their CP last week. So I guess we'll soon find out
 
So, last week they applied for a license - no, wait; they applied for a modified construction permit! The new CP calls for a significantly higher antenna in Cedar Hill instead of downtown Dallas. If approved their signal would reach all the way to Weatherford and Hillsboro - assuming they ever light it up, that is.

Odd thing about their application:
9. Maximum Effective Radiated Power (ERP): 3 kW
10. Transmitter Output Power: 10 kW

??? An antenna with negative gain? Looks like a mistake to me

Oh - one more thing - HCCN's sister station, KHFW, never lit up because they're licensed to RF 29, which is already in use by KTXA/21. I've long expected them to apply for a displacement, and sure enough, now they want to move to RF 4.

With only 100 watts ERP, though. If it lights up it'd only cover the Plano & McKinney area.
 
The FCC gave KSFW the OK for Cedar Hill. Think they'll finally light it up, or apply for the Ft. Worth site yet again? ::)
 
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