I have been in radio for close to 20 years. KSHE's playlist consists of stuff I have never eveb HEARD! The morning show is a laugh track. KSHE is one of the worst rock stations I have ever heard. We need a REAL AOR in this market to make some noise. If it came on, had balls, it would do well. Put someone with a sack on in the morning and rake in the cash and ratings. Never happen though because all companies right now are scared to death of something compelling, real, and non generic. Fact. Time to load the iPod up for my weekend. KSHE, The last three letters says it all. How do any of you actually think they sound good?
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KSHE SUCKS
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Some Guy
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Just a warning: I am an impartial voice here, but you say "I have been in radio for close to 20 years. KSHE's playlist consists of stuff I have never eveb HEARD!"? Looking at 16 songs they played from Midnight to 2 am; you're trying to tell me you've never "eveb" heard of:
"RIGHT NOW" - VAN HALEN
"LONELY IS THE NIGHT" - BILLY SQUIER
"BARK AT THE MOON" - OZZY OSBOURNE
"PEARL NECKLACE" - ZZ TOP
"HOME SWEET HOME" - MOTLEY CRUE
"WALK THIS WAY" - AEROSMITH
"WHO MADE WHO" - AC/DC
"SPOONMAN" - SOUNDGARDEN
"COMFORTABLY NUMB" - PINK FLOYD
"POISON" - ALICE COOPER
"IMMIGRANT SONG" - LED ZEPPELIN
"YOU COULD BE MINE" - GUNS AND ROSES
"FOOLIN" - DEF LEPPARD
"LITHIUM" - NIRVANA
"AND THE CRADLE WILL ROCK" - VAN HALEN
"FEELIN SATISFIED" - BOSTON
???
Where have you been working radio for 20 years? Under a rock?
Given, their playlist is tired, but so is every rock station that used to be an AOR. Too many opinions from too many people and not nearly enough risks (Ironically, what the whole AOR format was founded on).
"RIGHT NOW" - VAN HALEN
"LONELY IS THE NIGHT" - BILLY SQUIER
"BARK AT THE MOON" - OZZY OSBOURNE
"PEARL NECKLACE" - ZZ TOP
"HOME SWEET HOME" - MOTLEY CRUE
"WALK THIS WAY" - AEROSMITH
"WHO MADE WHO" - AC/DC
"SPOONMAN" - SOUNDGARDEN
"COMFORTABLY NUMB" - PINK FLOYD
"POISON" - ALICE COOPER
"IMMIGRANT SONG" - LED ZEPPELIN
"YOU COULD BE MINE" - GUNS AND ROSES
"FOOLIN" - DEF LEPPARD
"LITHIUM" - NIRVANA
"AND THE CRADLE WILL ROCK" - VAN HALEN
"FEELIN SATISFIED" - BOSTON
???
Where have you been working radio for 20 years? Under a rock?
Given, their playlist is tired, but so is every rock station that used to be an AOR. Too many opinions from too many people and not nearly enough risks (Ironically, what the whole AOR format was founded on).
They played 15 songs in 2 hours?
You must have not recognized about 10 to 13 songs.
Listen during the mid-days.
Also, is Pat Benatar ROCK? Is DIRE STRAITS ROCK? Is HEART ROCK??????? WE NEED AN AOR.
The Point aint doing it. Half the stuff they play sounds like top 40 boy bands.
You must have not recognized about 10 to 13 songs.
Listen during the mid-days.
Also, is Pat Benatar ROCK? Is DIRE STRAITS ROCK? Is HEART ROCK??????? WE NEED AN AOR.
The Point aint doing it. Half the stuff they play sounds like top 40 boy bands.
BOSTON??
Ew.
Ew.
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Some Guy
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I don't think it's The Point's job to play AOR. AOR is "album oriented rock" and even though i gag every time I hear Boston, they are by definition, AOR. The Point is alternative. There isn't an alternative station in America that is doing well, ratings wise. I think that is more of a comment on bad music being processed by the labels. Poopoo may have a problem with what KSHE is doing, but the 5.1 in the last trend is a good counterpoint. (And I'm sure that number is nuclear in the M25-54 money demo). Does that mean KSHE is doing the right thing by overplaying Pat Benatar and Heart? No. But entertainment is the secondary purpose of radio. Making money is #1.
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Some Guy
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Agreed. Obviously, poopoo is not looking for AOR. He makes a point of saying BOSTON?, but doesn't like any of the new additions, because he's never heard of them. You hear those complaints all of the time, but instead of poking sticks at the drunk guy, (which is actually REALLY fun), what are some real answers for Heritage rock stations? I think that KSHE is "adapting" to an ever changing format by adding newer stuff. Think for a second on what has happened to "Oldies" stations. They died out a few years ago and the ones that didn't have revamped by adding "classic hits"; i.e. Elton John, Jackson Browne, even some Tom Petty. "The only constant is change" and KSHE has to adapt by adding the Trapt and Papa Roach. It's a slow and steady process, but one that keeps a 40 year old rock station chugging along.
Heart, Boston, Eagles, etc. THAT IS OLDIES. Its not only NOT AOR - it is OLDIES.
AOR is Disturbed, KORN, Papa Roach, Sevendust, NIN, Drowning Pool, Fuel, Red, Puddle of Mudd, Velvet Revolver. THAT IS AOR. You play those records and throw in COOL old AOR records like Motley. THAT is what a true AOR does. KSHE is CLASSIC ROCK at best because they play Guns-n-Roses once every hour.
Alternative is: Interpol, Bravery, Sick Puppies, Smashing Pumpkins, Linkin Park, etc.
If you people think Boston is a staple of AOR, you have some twisted views on radio.
I actually think if someone were to change their calls to something like KHAR or KHRE and call it HAIR 105.9 or whatever, this city would lose its mind over it. If they played ALL hair bands ALL the time like the old PIRATE RADIO did in LA back in the day, it would work here. Have the jocks have long hair at gigs, just play it up.
I'm going to go ROCK OUT to Chicago, although those horns may upset the neighbors.
AOR is Disturbed, KORN, Papa Roach, Sevendust, NIN, Drowning Pool, Fuel, Red, Puddle of Mudd, Velvet Revolver. THAT IS AOR. You play those records and throw in COOL old AOR records like Motley. THAT is what a true AOR does. KSHE is CLASSIC ROCK at best because they play Guns-n-Roses once every hour.
Alternative is: Interpol, Bravery, Sick Puppies, Smashing Pumpkins, Linkin Park, etc.
If you people think Boston is a staple of AOR, you have some twisted views on radio.
I actually think if someone were to change their calls to something like KHAR or KHRE and call it HAIR 105.9 or whatever, this city would lose its mind over it. If they played ALL hair bands ALL the time like the old PIRATE RADIO did in LA back in the day, it would work here. Have the jocks have long hair at gigs, just play it up.
I'm going to go ROCK OUT to Chicago, although those horns may upset the neighbors.
Yep. ALBUM ORIENTED ROCK - look at an issue of any radio magazine lately?
Geez...when I worked in the market, KSHE was playing stuff like the seven minute version of "Tongue In Cheek" by Sugarloaf. Now THAT's obscure.
The list of tunes I saw in the earlier post look like classic AOR to me...and I've programmed a few successful AORs and classic rockers in my time. pbf1 is exactly right...you seek active rock.
The list of tunes I saw in the earlier post look like classic AOR to me...and I've programmed a few successful AORs and classic rockers in my time. pbf1 is exactly right...you seek active rock.
radiopoopoo said:
Those bands are ACTIVE ROCK bands. You want an ACTIVE ROCK station, not AOR. Bands like Heart and Boston definitely fit on an AOR station. You want a station like KUPD in Phoenix ( www.98kupd.com )
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oneradiotruth
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Re: Uh Huh
how is AOR NOT active? you don't get it, you really don't
pbf1 said:
how is AOR NOT active? you don't get it, you really don't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album-oriented_rock
Active Rock is one of many splinters of AOR. What the original poster wants is an Active Rock station.
Active Rock is one of many splinters of AOR. What the original poster wants is an Active Rock station.
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Jackologist
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AOR does not exist anymore, it's successor is called "mainstream rock". Active and Alternative stations are not AOR stations as they do not play "albums". If they did, the term today would have to be "DOR" for Download Oriented Rock.
"AOR" is to rock radio as "station wagon" is to SUV.
AOR (Album Oriented Rock, or for the cynical "All Over the Road") was a purely radio term for a format that existed from the late 70's to early 90's. These stations typically played 40-50% new rock music.
The first splinter of AOR came in approximately 1983, when the classic rock format was developed by a consultant in Detroit, Fred Jacobs. These classic stations were AOR's that had dumped their currents and were playing just library tracks. To stay competitive with the classic rockers, the remaining AORs that played any currents became very conservative, airing maybe 15-20% new music.
When grunge hit in 1992, and a further divide between conservatively programmed mainstream AOR's and more aggressive AOR's opened up, Radio and Records newspaper invented the term "Active Rock", and the term AOR was retired. The splinters in the rock format then became "Rock" (for those conservative, classic leaning mainstreams) and "Active Rock" (for the new music leaning rockers). R&R did not track classic rock playlists on a weekly basis.
"AOR" is to rock radio as "station wagon" is to SUV.
AOR (Album Oriented Rock, or for the cynical "All Over the Road") was a purely radio term for a format that existed from the late 70's to early 90's. These stations typically played 40-50% new rock music.
The first splinter of AOR came in approximately 1983, when the classic rock format was developed by a consultant in Detroit, Fred Jacobs. These classic stations were AOR's that had dumped their currents and were playing just library tracks. To stay competitive with the classic rockers, the remaining AORs that played any currents became very conservative, airing maybe 15-20% new music.
When grunge hit in 1992, and a further divide between conservatively programmed mainstream AOR's and more aggressive AOR's opened up, Radio and Records newspaper invented the term "Active Rock", and the term AOR was retired. The splinters in the rock format then became "Rock" (for those conservative, classic leaning mainstreams) and "Active Rock" (for the new music leaning rockers). R&R did not track classic rock playlists on a weekly basis.
Here's the point..... The Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, and 50 to 55 year old guys that grew up with KSHE were long haired, cigarette or pot smoking rebels of the late 60's and through the 70's... The Eagles were heavy on the Pop, and AOR charts in those days.. You'd find cuts on KSHE that wern't singles and yet some crossed the line... "Lyin' Eyes" was big even on the country chart... Boston was playing on AOR with Foreplay/Longtime months before it was a single...More Than A Feeling was the lead single... Also, Foreigner was tracking college progressive and AOR before "Cold As Ice" hit the single chart.. Cheap Trick, Seger, KISS, early Grand Funk, Geez? Alot of rock bands had A/R guys working a dual format marketing plan.. Some of the stuff you might not know were midwest and regional hits that St.Louis, Chicago, Cincy, Cleveland and KC loved.. You hear alot of those on K-Hits, as well... KWK did a Rock-40 sound on the FM (Arch, now) and did strickly long play LP version of singles from rock bands... Doucette, early REO, Starcastle, Styx, Michael Stanley Band, UFO, Uriah Heep, etc... They were big in those markets without national 'boom status'....I heard Heep's "Stealin'" and "Sweet Lorraine" FIRST on KSHE.... These types of bands had AOR roots and did not sell out, CHR just picked up the solid songs and brought them to the masses.. HORDING AOR and Alternative people always hate it when the mainstream starts to like their music... Heaven forbid..... 
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