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KSL heard in Englewood FL-great catch??

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vibe

Last night while playing around with the Bose radio I tuned to 1160 and heard some commercials for car dealers and a mention of the wasatch Valley. Then i got the calls KSL AM (and FM mentioned). It was 1058 PM EST and the station mentioned 858PM. The station was actually quite clear for about 5 min then faded.
My furthest catch so far.. maybe the Bose wave radio is not as crappy as I thought although it is quite pathetic during the day (on AM)
Also I heard a minor league game on 1520 next to very local 1530 WENG. There were frequent references to Oklahoma City but the station faded out. Didn't get the calls.
The pray for pay station on 1090 was quite strong (prob Little Rock but didn't ID it as well and there was a religious station on 1060 that is not usually there.
 
KSL from Englewood, FL is an AMAZING catch! According to Radio-Locator, they are 1,943 miles from your location!! That would be similar to me hearing San Francisco from Michigan. My longest catch is 1060 XEEP from Mexico City, 1,760 miles away.

Great job on the catch! I'm definitely firing up my Superadio tonight. Hear if I can get any freak DX catches like yours.
 
Considering that KSL is directional to only the west at night, that is something to be proud of. The religious station may have been WLNO New Orleans, a 50KW station that really powers down at night, and the 1520 was KOMA (not sure if the calls have changed) from Oklahoma City.
 
mimo said:
Considering that KSL is directional to only the west at night, that is something to be proud of. The religious station may have been WLNO New Orleans, a 50KW station that really powers down at night, and the 1520 was KOMA (not sure if the calls have changed) from Oklahoma City.
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A couple of corrections here. KSL is non-directional full-time. Don't be misled by what you may see on the Radio-Locator map of their nighttime coverage; while it may appear that their signal is directed somewhat to the west, the maps are based on groundwave coverage which is influenced by mountains to the east and the Salt Lake flatlands to the west. Remember that the map doesn't show their predicted skywave coverage which is, in fact, non-directional. But picking up KSL in Florida is still a good catch.

WLNO New Orleans does indeed power down at night. During the day their main lobe is directed due north, and at night they use 5,000 watts concentrated along a 315 degree bearing (northwesterly) from a site south of New Orleans.

And the heritage KOMA call letters on 1520 were changed a while back to KOKC.
 
vibe said:
Last night while playing around with the Bose radio I tuned to 1160 and heard some commercials for car dealers and a mention of the wasatch Valley. Then i got the calls KSL AM (and FM mentioned). It was 1058 PM EST and the station mentioned 858PM. The station was actually quite clear for about 5 min then faded.
My furthest catch so far.. maybe the Bose wave radio is not as crappy as I thought although it is quite pathetic during the day (on AM)
Also I heard a minor league game on 1520 next to very local 1530 WENG. There were frequent references to Oklahoma City but the station faded out. Didn't get the calls.
The pray for pay station on 1090 was quite strong (prob Little Rock but didn't ID it as well and there was a religious station on 1060 that is not usually there.
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That is amazing ! I have been trying to get it from Maryland, but no luck. According to this site it is non-directional (U1):

"50,000-Watt AM stations"

"1160 KSL Salt Lake City, UT U1 News/Talk/Sports"

http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/50kwam.html

Once, I was bearly able to get KOA 850 Denver. Good thing you got it, before IBOC/IBUZZ/IBLOC gets turned on at night !
 
PocketRadio said:
That is amazing ! I have been trying to get it from Maryland, but no luck. According to this site it is non-directional (U1):

"50,000-Watt AM stations"
"1160 KSL Salt Lake City, UT U1 News/Talk/Sports"
http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/50kwam.html
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The Northpine site is a pretty good "quick reference," but generally your most accurate site for information is the FCC's AM Query at www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/amq.html Just enter the station call letters (or city, frequency, etc.) and it'll provide a lot of info. BTW, regarding my previous post I was a little off in my description of WLNO 1060's nighttime pattern (I was going by memory); their main lobe is more like 305 degrees (not 315), but you get the idea. By calling them up in the AM Query and looking for "Electric Field Strength pattern plot" under the nighttime facilities listing, you'll see exactly where most of the signal is going. When vibe heard them, it was the "secondary lobe," pointing about 100 degrees southeastward toward Florida that came into play. www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/AM_DA_patterns/37429-66748.pdf Pretty handy little tool.
 
I had always read and heard that ksl is directional west at night to protect Chicago....but I realise now that I am thinking of 1110 in Omaha which is directional west to protect WBT in Charlotte. I was never able to get KSL when I lived in Iowa but was able to hear it in New Orleans every night very clearly. Thanks for the Correction of the KOMA calls, I knew they had changed but hadn't heard the station since 2001.
 
A lot has changed since the 1960's of my youth, but on my long gone Zenith console radio with the round dial and tuning eye attached to a 100' long wire, KSL was there every night in Cincinnati. That was in the day when Chicago signed off at sunset and KSL was the only station on 1160 at night. Now, 1160 is a graveyard of signals at night.
 
KSL was a freak catch but it came in strong and long enough to definitely ID. The radio in question, an old standard Bose wave radio bought new about 10 plus years ago (probably longer) has a so so tuner but it is very directional. Most people leave it in 1 position and use the remote. I put the radio close enough to turn it to try and null out anything else out there. But there wasn't anything on 1160 to null out that nite at that time. KOA 850 Denver has come in a number of times here in Englewood but that isn't such a big deal.
I usually go to 640 trying for the elusive KFI but to no avail as well as 660 Window Rock AZ, and 770 Albuquerque but not a sniff so far. Haven't even ID'd KTRH Houston yet on 740 but have gotten 560 (KLVI?) on 560 very recently. Go figure. I'll probably take the radio outside one of these nites as the evenings are real nice here in Englewood and no skeeters (yet). It probably won't help as getting KSL (and reasonably clear) was luck.
For you radio pros-why did this happen w/ such limited quipment? I think KSL must have been real strong in SE texas then jumped across the Gulf. But this was at nite. Is there some sort of salt water boost at night, maybe not as strong as in the day?
Thanks for your responses-vibe.
 
vibe said:
I usually go to 640 trying for the elusive KFI but to no avail as well as 660 Window Rock AZ, and 770 Albuquerque but not a sniff so far. Haven't even ID'd KTRH Houston yet on 740 but have gotten 560 (KLVI?) on 560 very recently. Go figure. I'll probably take the radio outside one of these nites as the evenings are real nice here in Englewood and no skeeters (yet). It probably won't help as getting KSL (and reasonably clear) was luck.
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I usually have trouble with KFI by the time I get to west Texas - it's wiped out by a spanish language station which is clearly audible all the way to the Dallas / Ft Worth area (the farthest east I have been on the road).
KTNN (660 Window Rock, AZ) and KKOB (770 Albuquerque, NM) are both directional to the west, with nulls to the east to protect WFAN New York and WABC New York, respectively.
Does WWL make it across the gulf in the daytime? I occasionally have heard them here in San Diego, sometimes trading places with KRLA in Glendale, CA.
 
WWL makes it across the Gulf every day during the day here in Englewood. I actually listen to it about 5-10% of the time mostly for sports. At the beach it is obviously a little stronger. Sometimes when things get freaky about 30-60 min before local sunset you lose it entirely. But you get X banders from as far away as the Dallas metro area and Ft. Smith when that happens. Go figure! Being 2 mi inland WWL isclearly audible but a fringe station (not deep fringe). It has a city grade signal about 100 mi N of Tampa close to the Gulf.
We also get (during the day) ESPN radio on 1640 Biloxi-Gulfport (believe it is WTNI) and also get ESPN radio on a 500 watter from Key West during the day that interferes with my goal to get the Golden Meadow LA station on 1600.
Last night (for the first time) got KTRH 740 Houston very weakly but an ID. It shouldn't be a big deal as Dallas 1080 and 820 as well as San Antonio 1200 are heard nightly but there must be a null away from Englewood (haven't looked it up).
I know that 660 and 770 way out west are nulled in this direction but maybe they might make a mistake some day. is this possible??
 
vibe said:
WWL makes it across the Gulf every day during the day here in Englewood. I actually listen to it about 5-10% of the time mostly for sports. At the beach it is obviously a little stronger.
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The same thing happens along most of the Gulf Coast in Texas, where WWL delivers a usable signal 24 hours a day. If you're close to the beach during the day it's like a local.

vibe said:
Last night (for the first time) got KTRH 740 Houston very weakly but an ID. It shouldn't be a big deal as Dallas 1080 and 820 as well as San Antonio 1200 are heard nightly but there must be a null away from Englewood (haven't looked it up).
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Your best bet for getting KTRH is probably just after your local sunset before KTRH goes to their night pattern. They have a huge signal toward the southwest at night, and very little is directed to the east-southeast. That's in the direction of two Florida stations on 740, WQTM Orlando and WSBR Boca Raton, as evidenced by a very sharp null: www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/AM_DA_patterns/29712-2500.pdf

vibe said:
I know that 660 and 770 way out west are nulled in this direction but maybe they might make a mistake some day. is this possible??
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Possible, but not too likely with either one. Again, your best time to try for either KTNN or KKOB is just after sunset there in Florida. But standing in your way are two Dallas area stations, 20,000 watt KSKY 660 and KAAM 770, which runs 10,000 watts daytime.
 
The mention of a "mistake" reminds me of the several nights about 10 years ago when 820 from near Tampa was blasting into Indiana a couple hours after sunset. A friend's call to the phone number they mentioned thanking them for bringing their talk show to Indiana resulted in the sudden disappearance of their signal. It didn't show up again after that night. Mistakes do happen...I've found that they are most frequent in small towns on nights the ball games air and on election night...coincidence????
 
Since WYLL Chicago upgraded their nighttime power to 50kw from a SW suburb site, most of the Chicago market can't easily pick up KSL Salt Lake City. A small lobe into Lake County Indiana can make WYLL be heard, but I found that if I go into an all conctrete area area, with little ground soil showing, then I can get KSL in Downtown Lowell Indiana. Before the upgrade, WYLL operated at only 5kw at night, aiming most of their signal southeast, resulting in both WYLL & KSL splattering in parts of Gary Indiana (where I live) & Lowell Indiana (where I work). WISN Milwaukee can be heard during the day in Lake County Indiana during the day, but at night, 1130 is usually a graveyard frequency, but occasionally get WFAN Minneapolis, and once got WISN at night, when they upgraded equipment, and testing their daytime pattern at night. KOA comes in with no problem at night. In fact, it still tries to hold onto NW Indiana when WCPT 850 Crystal Lake IL signs on at sunrise. WOAI San Antonio will become more difficult to hear in NW Indiana once WRTO Chicago puts up their new tower array, and increae their power to either 2.5kw, or 4.5kw at night. Their daytime power will go to 20kw, but coverage won't change much during the day, but nighttime will push their signal into Gary Indiana more, resulting in splatter. WRTO must null to the SE in order to protect WOWO Fort Wayne Indiana on 1190. Even though I'm at the most 3 hours away from Fort Wayne Indiana, WOWO isn't heard as well at night due to their forced decrease in power from the owners of WIBC New York City, when WOWO went up for sale.
 
1550 in Englewood is an open frequency but last evening, about 8:30-8:40 p.m, about 35 min after local sunset, WLOR 1550 Huntsville AL was quite strong. It ranged from nearly a local to so so then poof, gone completely. First time it was logged.
There was a 1600 Radio Disney overpowering the key West 1600 at times but couldn't get an ID because of no local news, weather etc. No idea where it came from. Anyone know?
 
vibe said:
There was a 1600 Radio Disney overpowering the key West 1600 at times but couldn't get an ID because of no local news, weather etc. No idea where it came from. Anyone know?
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Here's a likely suspect, to the east of where you are: WMNE in Riviera Beach. www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WMNE&service=AM&status=L&hours=N Looks like enough of their 4,700 watt nighttime signal makes it in your direction.

I guess "MNE" stands for Minnie (Mouse)...
 
Haven't heard KSL since the WYLL upgrade in SW Ohio. We'll get WDJO during the day and a couple of hours before sunset WYLL will mix in. Then it's all WYLL. Even at 50kW you might have not had much luck getting WOWO in Chicago because it nulled sharply to the west. It was barely audible in places like Kokomo or Lafayette, IN.
 
As I indicated KSL was a lucky catch, very lucky, as I've been trying to repeat the experience w/ no success. It's funny how many stations can come in (at different times) on the same frequency. For example, I didn't hear much on 1550, then got a station from Huntsville, now a Spanish station for the last 3 days or so.
That's what's fun about Dx ing-its like fishing...
 
I once logged KSL in Rhode Island more than 30 years ago and even received a QSL!!!! My dad didn't believe it until I showed him the 20 minute log. I want to say it was 1974 or 1975 - but maybe 1976.
 
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