recto101 said:
and they can still see it on KUCW if they want to wait until the weekend, probably just an excuse to pre-empt the show for something cheap where they can keep all the ad $
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KSL refuses to air ‘New Normal’
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and they can still see it on KUCW if they want to wait until the weekend, probably just an excuse to pre-empt the show for something cheap where they can keep all the ad $
This station also preempts all network programming (even the NFL) to air the annual Mormon conference
This station did air the short lived "Book of Daneil" when a lot of bible belt stations refused to air it. Does this station pre-empt Notre Dame for BYU games? Do any other tax exempt organizations own commercial TV stations or networks? WNDU when it was owned by Notre Dame also censored a lot of NBC
programs.
programs.
nomadcowatbk said:
KOMU and the University of Missouri I think is the only other commercial TV station/tax-exempt organization combo left.
What I don't get is now that SLC no longer has any O&O's why nobody has tried to get NBC. I know KSTU couldn't switch for a few more years but what really would KUTV or KTVX have to lose?
jdb820 said:
More to the point, what would they have to gain? Why trade a network that's in first or second place in primetime for one that's in third or fourth? If you're KUTV, why give up CBS' NFL package? If you're KTVX, why give up the soon-to-be top-rated morning show for the slumping Today?
The topic of KSL and its preemptions has come up here before, and the answer's always the same: this is exactly what the FCC had in mind for network/affiliate relations going all the way back to the "Blue Book" report of the 1940s. Local affiliates are not only given the explicit right to preempt network content that may not suit local standards, they are (or at least were) expected to do so.
KSL preempting "SNL" or "New Normal" may look odd to anyone outside Utah, but it seems to work pretty well for Utahns, who vote with their remotes and consistently keep KSL at the top of the ratings. NBC clears all its programming on KUCW if KSL preempts, so nothing gets missed by viewers who really want to see it. There's nothing broken there that needs fixing.
(And FWIW, KSL is not owned by a "tax exempt organization"; its licensee, Bonneville, is a for-profit company that's taxed accordingly, even if its ultimate ownership is the tax-exempt LDS church.)
nomadcowatbk said:
What that is the first time I heard of a Local TV station blacking out NFL games to air the Mormon conference. Usually when I hear of Local TV stations blacking out NFL games its because of agreements that the NFL and the station had due to low stadium attendance and is diverted to NFL teams across the country or to air Local Breaking News like an Earthquake at 6.x and above or a Hurricane.
Remember that Utah is the state (along with Idaho, which also has a large Mormon population) that featured "Clean Flicks" and "Clean Cut Video" - video rentals of films with the naughty parts cut out.
IIRC, the Hollywood studios were willing to go along with this, on the theory that any money is good money, but the Director's Guild filed a lawsuit to end the censorship, and it stuck.
IIRC, the Hollywood studios were willing to go along with this, on the theory that any money is good money, but the Director's Guild filed a lawsuit to end the censorship, and it stuck.
jdb820 said:
Mizzou is a government institution, the Mormon church isn't
Scott Fybush said:
Does KOMU pay taxes? They use free student labor
recto101 said:
another station airs the NFL during the mormon conference
Lkeller said:
It's also birthplace of the Clearplay DVD player, a DVD player that censors movies for you if you choose. How much do the other stations in Utah censor programming?
Won't NBC offer it to another SLC station?
I can actually see both sides to this argument.
On one hand this is exactly the point of localism.
But on the other hand replace "gay", with "Muslim" or "black" and you would never get away with it.
We all see how awful history has viewed stations in the South that refused to carry news programs about police versus civil rights marchers.
I can actually see both sides to this argument.
On one hand this is exactly the point of localism.
But on the other hand replace "gay", with "Muslim" or "black" and you would never get away with it.
We all see how awful history has viewed stations in the South that refused to carry news programs about police versus civil rights marchers.
...but Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart, John Hagee, Pat Boone and 99.973% of the schedules of TBN and Daystar are around to add their inflammatory nonsense to this issue if they so desire the publicity in the secular media. In that way, as Jim Cornette says, they're simply heel wrestlers cutting promos to create a quick pissoff of the marks in the audience. There are true ministers of God, and then there are men who simply have a fetish for wearing their collars backwards...RicoGregg said:
Normal
The pilot is already available at Comcast On-Demand. Watched it last night and really wanted to like it, but it seemed so 2002. The additional promo clips pretty clearly admit they want to be NBC's version of Modern Family.
Not a huge fan of Ellen Barkin (love her politcs, hate her acting), but pretty fun to see her playing a great-grandmother. The character is positioned as a female Archie Bunker, 40 years later.
The rest of the cast is rather bland and stereotypical -- butch t-shirt-and-jeans slightly-older good-hearted gay doctor, over-the-top uber-flamboyant designer-clothed soon-to-be-aging-twink husband, wild outrageous Real Housewife-actress(?), sweet simple midwestern girl done wrong by loutish hubby who hits the $35,000 surrogate jackpot. The young tween is rather horrid as well, more in the vein of smart-aleck one-liners than the talented modern family kids.
Pilots are always a challenge, having to set up the story and all. I still wonder how they intend to keep this show going, unless they opt to turn surrogate mom into the nanny.
I suppose all the cable viewers in Utah will be able to catch the show on-demand every week.
The pilot is already available at Comcast On-Demand. Watched it last night and really wanted to like it, but it seemed so 2002. The additional promo clips pretty clearly admit they want to be NBC's version of Modern Family.
Not a huge fan of Ellen Barkin (love her politcs, hate her acting), but pretty fun to see her playing a great-grandmother. The character is positioned as a female Archie Bunker, 40 years later.
The rest of the cast is rather bland and stereotypical -- butch t-shirt-and-jeans slightly-older good-hearted gay doctor, over-the-top uber-flamboyant designer-clothed soon-to-be-aging-twink husband, wild outrageous Real Housewife-actress(?), sweet simple midwestern girl done wrong by loutish hubby who hits the $35,000 surrogate jackpot. The young tween is rather horrid as well, more in the vein of smart-aleck one-liners than the talented modern family kids.
Pilots are always a challenge, having to set up the story and all. I still wonder how they intend to keep this show going, unless they opt to turn surrogate mom into the nanny.
I suppose all the cable viewers in Utah will be able to catch the show on-demand every week.
nomadcowatbk said:
Bonneville owned KIRO for decades, and I can recall their censorship of CBS programming going back into the seventies.
But there's a difference between KSL and the Salt Lake City/Utah market versus KIRO and the Seattle/Tacoma market -- while SLC may no longer be predominantly Mormon, the market as a whole still is. And that means that to a large degree, the KSL preemptions really do reflect community values for that market. In contrast, Seattle/Tacoma has always had a pretty strong libertarian lean on social issues, placing KIRO management very far out of touch with the community values in that market.
Remember -- broadcasting still is a local business in the U.S. -- and what's a reasonable decision for one market might be completely out of touch elsewhere.
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