KSTN/1420 Shutting Down...

[BossRadioDJ]

See thread on Sacramento board...

 

[milford]

Sad, but true. Everyone was let go today. End of an era in Stockton radio.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Knox's kids fighting again? Grow up kiddies! You get out what you put in! In any case there must be lots of people interested in a signal as good as 107.3. Isn't there?

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Knox's kids fighting again? Grow up kiddies! You get out what you put in! In any case there must be lots of people interested in a signal as good as 107.3. Isn't there?

Latest word is that 107.3 is being leased to a religious group.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Knox's kids fighting again? Grow up kiddies! You get out what you put in! In any case there must be lots of people interested in a signal as good as 107.3. Isn't there?

Latest word is that 107.3 is being leased to a religious group.

It's official KSTN-FM to become K-Love on Monday.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100219/A_NEWS/100219834

That makes three K-love's putting a signal in Stockton.

KLRS 89.7 Lodi
KYKL 90.7 Tracy
and now 107.3

That will mean more advertising dollars lost to the Stockton BIA report.

K-love will now have a signal over parts of the Bay Area they've never served.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Talk about over kill! The FCC is falling down drunk on the job. One decent transmitter location in the east bay hills from a tower with decent elevation would cover the east bay, south bay, and the west bay all the way to the sierra's leaving signals available for other broadcasters to use. The same thing needs to be done in the north bay also! K-love (and others) are getting pretty greedy to say the least! I say it's time for a "New Radio Master Plan" to be implemented from sea to shinning sea! Enough with the hoarding of radio signals by a few companies. Give the listening public some real choices in radio listening.

 

[Madmansam]

Sad to hear about KSTN-1420 shutting down. Kind of surprised that they couldn't find anyone to lease 1420. I always thought that it would be KWSX-1280 shutting down. Also kind of surprised that KSTN-FM's Spanish format is being changed. I always thought that La Poderosa was their moneymaker. I bet everyone at Entravision's KMIX-100.9 are celebrating!

 

[kenrayc]

Talk about over kill! The FCC is falling down drunk on the job. One decent transmitter location in the east bay hills from a tower with decent elevation would cover the east bay, south bay, and the west bay all the way to the sierra's leaving signals available for other broadcasters to use. The same thing needs to be done in the north bay also! K-love (and others) are getting pretty greedy to say the least! I say it's time for a "New Radio Master Plan" to be implemented from sea to shinning sea! Enough with the hoarding of radio signals by a few companies. Give the listening public some real choices in radio listening.

I don't know what the FCC rules are on Non-commercial and religious stations, but it's true about K-love they have several stations in CA that overlap big time, I can get 3 in Fresno (88.5, 91.1,and 98.3), checking out Radio-locator's coverage maps they show hugh overlaps.

 

[Madmansam]

And as with most Christian music stations, KSTN-107.3 will disappear the the Stockton Arbitron Ratings. They were the only locally owned station to make it in the Top 10 in the ratings for the Stockton Market.

 

[BossRadioDJ]

I bet everyone at Entravision's KMIX-100.9 are celebrating!

I know of at least one person there who isn't.

 

[davideduardo]

I don't know what the FCC rules are on Non-commercial and religious stations, but it's true about K-love they have several stations in CA that overlap big time, I can get 3 in Fresno (88.5, 91.1,and 98.3), checking out Radio-locator's coverage maps they show hugh overlaps.

Rembember, the useful coverage area for an FM is about 20% smaller than the inner red radio-locator contour.

 

[radio1350]

Talk about over kill! The FCC is falling down drunk on the job. One decent transmitter location in the east bay hills from a tower with decent elevation would cover the east bay, south bay, and the west bay all the way to the sierra's leaving signals available for other broadcasters to use. The same thing needs to be done in the north bay also! K-love (and others) are getting pretty greedy to say the least! I say it's time for a "New Radio Master Plan" to be implemented from sea to shinning sea! Enough with the hoarding of radio signals by a few companies. Give the listening public some real choices in radio listening.

I don't know what the FCC rules are on Non-commercial and religious stations, but it's true about K-love they have several stations in CA that overlap big time, I can get 3 in Fresno (88.5, 91.1,and 98.3), checking out Radio-locator's coverage maps they show hugh overlaps.

They had 2 on the same tower in Kingsburg for a long time, 106.3 and I can't remember the other frequency. They both covered basically the same area. I don't understand why they do those things.

 

[Tom_KYA1260]

KSTN Airchecks on You Tube

I have some KSTN Airchecks on You Tube on my channel at http://www.youtube.com/RadioAirchecks .


Tom

See thread on Sacramento board...

 

[kenrayc]

I don't know what the FCC rules are on Non-commercial and religious stations, but it's true about K-love they have several stations in CA that overlap big time, I can get 3 in Fresno (88.5, 91.1,and 98.3), checking out Radio-locator's coverage maps they show hugh overlaps.

Rembember, the useful coverage area for an FM is about 20% smaller than the inner red radio-locator contour.

KLVY has 50 Kw ERP watts in the foothills at the same site as KHIT 107.1 and KOND 92.1 they both has less power. KOND and KHIT have a good signal in Visalia as well as KDKL 88.5 Kingsburg.

K-Love also own 106.3 at the same site as KDKL but that could be for future use for AIR1.

 

[kenrayc]

to add what I'm saying, the coverage to Valley stations with their Transmitter in the Sierras goes beyond what the coverage of Radio-locator or the filed FCC maps. Meadow Lakes, Mt Bullion, Eshom point, Blue Ridge, and Coaregold stations go much further than the coverage maps.
Side note: during these times of KSTN 107.3 being off the air for DXers like me those in Modesto could here KHIT 107.1 Classic Hits, a good station.

 

[davideduardo]

to add what I'm saying, the coverage to Valley stations with their Transmitter in the Sierras goes beyond what the coverage of Radio-locator or the filed FCC maps.

However, it is inside the 64 dbu contour that about 95% of the in home and at work listening takes place. While some signals go on forever at lesser levels, they generate little or no listening.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

to add what I'm saying, the coverage to Valley stations with their Transmitter in the Sierras goes beyond what the coverage of Radio-locator or the filed FCC maps.

However, it is inside the 64 dbu contour that about 95% of the in home and at work listening takes place. While some signals go on forever at lesser levels, they generate little or no listening.

David--

I have always been impressed with your vast knowledge of these things. I also really enjoy reading what you have to say and always learn something new from you.

I would like to point out in the case of KSTN-FM and the Central Valley floor being sea level. Hight above mean sea level is way more important in this case. In fact, the longley¡rice 64 db coverage in the valley for KSTN-FM is far greater than the FCC contours for even 60 db. Of course, with Longley-Rice there is a showing of poor coverage throught parts of the Bay Area due to shadowing. Needless to say, L-R paints a different picture as you probably already know.

FCC maps are not usefull at all in these cases except for stations on the Central Valley floor. I have always wondered why the FCC limits the measurement of average terrien to a few km.

When I have a chance I will post a link to a free Candian goverment web link that makes nifty L-R maps. My guess David, is that you have software of your own.

 

[BossRadioDJ]

When I have a chance I will post a link to a free Candian goverment web link that makes nifty L-R maps.

Radio Coverage Prediction using Longley Rice:

http://lrcov.crc.ca/main/

 

[kenrayc]

to add what I'm saying, the coverage to Valley stations with their Transmitter in the Sierras goes beyond what the coverage of Radio-locator or the filed FCC maps.

However, it is inside the 64 dbu contour that about 95% of the in home and at work listening takes place. While some signals go on forever at lesser levels, they generate little or no listening.

David--

I have always been impressed with your vast knowledge of these things. I also really enjoy reading what you have to say and always learn something new from you.

I would like to point out in the case of KSTN-FM and the Central Valley floor being sea level. Hight above mean sea level is way more important in this case. In fact, the longley¡rice 64 db coverage in the valley for KSTN-FM is far greater than the FCC contours for even 60 db. Of course, with Longley-Rice there is a showing of poor coverage throught parts of the Bay Area due to shadowing. Needless to say, L-R paints a different picture as you probably already know.

FCC maps are not usefull at all in these cases except for stations on the Central Valley floor. I have always wondered why the FCC limits the measurement of average terrien to a few km.

When I have a chance I will post a link to a free Candian goverment web link that makes nifty L-R maps. My guess David, is that you have software of your own.

Exactly my point MRK explained it better, a good example the Eshom point stations(KBOS,KSOF,KSEQ,KFSO,KRDA,and KFRR.), the FCC maps shows those stations 64db contour just barely reaching Fresno, but 4 of those stations are in the top 10 in the Fresno market. Having the Average terrain calculated at only 850 Ft at a sealevel elevation at 5200 ft(4700 above the Valley Floor) with 16 KW EPR there 64db goes way further than the FCC maps.

 

[davideduardo]

I would like to point out in the case of KSTN-FM and the Central Valley floor being sea level. Hight above mean sea level is way more important in this case. In fact, the longley¡rice 64 db coverage in the valley for KSTN-FM is far greater than the FCC contours for even 60 db. Of course, with Longley-Rice there is a showing of poor coverage throught parts of the Bay Area due to shadowing. Needless to say, L-R paints a different picture as you probably already know.

Good point. There are some of these cases... but generally, the radio-locator contours vastly exaggerate the usable coverage of stations. Analysis of many tens of thousands of diaries where listening location was specified vs. coverage maps shows that for most stations in most formats 80% of location-specific listening takes place in the 70dbu contour and another 15% is added within the 64 dbu to the 70 dbu, for 95% of all AQH listening.

Even the L-R plots are more effective at predicting in-car listening vs. in-home and most at-work, which tends to take place inside walls and at near ground level.

Of course, the real thing that your explanation points out is that FM reception is nowhere as predictable as AM, because things like height, surrounding terrain and buildings and even multipath all influence the usability of a signal.

FCC maps are not usefull at all in these cases except for stations on the Central Valley floor. I have always wondered why the FCC limits the measurement of average terrien to a few km.

Most of the rules go back to when FMs were valueless. If we look at channel separation, for both AM and FM, we see that the criteria were based on receiver design from the 30's for AM and the 40's for FM. I think that coverage was not much thought about. And we see cases like a certain Class A that is about 3000 feet up Mt Wilson with full power because the radials taht face away from LA are all higher than the site yet the station is better than a full conforming B in coverage.

When I have a chance I will post a link to a free Candian goverment web link that makes nifty L-R maps. My guess David, is that you have software of your own.

I do, but the link is very cool. I always wanted to buy KSTN, as I thought its coverage would make it somewhat dominant.. something I guess did not happen. I even spoke to a broker who approached Knox La Rue several decades ago, but Mr La Rue was a very deicated and tenacious broadcaster.