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KTAR goes to CBS?

Dr. Akbar said:
Let's see....sunbelt growth market vs rustbelt non-growth market?? Nurse Jeff and I have a hard time believing any of this. Anyway, the group formerly known as Clear Channel might have interest in selling some of their Phoenix stations to reduce debt. We can't think of anyone whose pockets are deeper than TMISU.

A source close to the trade talks revealed that CBS will only consumate the deal if an AMC Gremlin with the Levi's interior trim package is included. The source also said the lack of a working 8-track player would be a deal breaker. Representatives for CBS and TMISU would not confirm or deny trade talks for the stations or the AMC Gremlin.

Senior Vice President/Financial Consultant with RBC Dain Rauscher, Wayne Stutzer, who is also a weekend host on KTAR, commented that such a deal would likely send AMC stock soaring, if only they were still in business. Stutzer remains bullish on AMC Gremlins. :D

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always sunny said:
"combo numbers"? who uses that? certainly not clients. as for phoenix being "in strong growth mode"...do you mean population-wise???? cuz the revenue in the market was off a whopping 20% yesterday in local revenue. ytd is almost as bad.

There are non-affinity combos... an AC with a country FM, and then there are affinity combos, such as the two KTAR's.

The Phoenix market is growing in population. St. Lousis is not, and even Sacramento is not particularly big in growth.

Forcasts have 2008 off, but bouncing back in '09. What do you mean by "yesterday?" July data, August projections, what?
 
Dr. Akbar said:
Let's see....sunbelt growth market vs rustbelt non-growth market?? Nurse Jeff and I have a hard time believing any of this.

Not only that, taking two smaller clusters (Sacramento and St. Louis) can not yield the margins one big one does. The lower you go in market rank, the lower the margin because costs like engineering, electricity, etc. are the same no matter what the market size.
 
re: "margins" post...me-thinks a private company operates a lil differently. i agree w/ your thinking...however b-ville traded out of chicago before (for phx emmis) $550 million dollar market for $250 million market. so...
 
always sunny said:
re: "margins" post...me-thinks a private company operates a lil differently. i agree w/ your thinking...however b-ville traded out of chicago before (for phx emmis) $550 million dollar market for $250 million market. so...

My point is that Sacto and St. Louis are not a like kind trade for Phoenix. KTAR bills as much as KMOX, just a year and a half into the FM change, and the potential profit for two clusters with double expenses is much less than one cluster with more revenue.
 
David, you make some great points as to why Bonneville would not want to trade stations with CBS.

I think if KTAR trades with CBS, it will be tantamount to admitting that they failed with KTAR. Bonneville has done very well with KTAR and I hope they continue to invest in and improve KTAR.
 
KOHS said:
Senior Vice President/Financial Consultant with RBC Dain Rauscher, Wayne Stutzer, who is also a weekend host on KTAR, commented that such a deal...

What did the KT'R biz news shill say, other than "we're trackin' for a
higher (lower) opening this morning..."? His report was duly followed
by his recorded testimonial for meetings-r-us-dot-com.
 
KTAR and KMOX bill the same.

But if you can add in the power of KEZK and KYKY who both bill very well along with WARH, WIL..You would have an unstopable combo in the market.
 
kentuckymedia said:
KTAR and KMOX bill the same.

One is AM, going down. The other is FM, moving up. Why, if Bonneville is trying to get it's news talk stations off AM, would they trade an FM news talk that is a big biller for a slowly dying AM?
 
Bob Dreste said:
Why would they want to flip KMOX's programming to FM? Their 50kw signal on 1120 penetrates most buildings and bridges in the area. I grew up with CBS and KMOX in STL and their signal is one mighty fine blow-torch. Something about the soil in IL at their XMTR site? So many changes for KMOX. They lose Cardinal baseball and still top Arbitron. If BV acquires KMOX (the Voice of STL) my bet is there'd be no audible change to listeners.

Two reasons KMOX would want to move to FM. The first is that I live outside of St. Louis (about an hour and fifteen minutes to the west), and I can't hear KMOX after dark. In fact, I can't get much of any St. Louis AM after dark, many disappear just west of the airport in Chesterfield. Until they lost two towers after the severe storms that swept through the area two years ago, K-Trash 550 was better, but still not great. St. Louis is growing by leaps and bounds to the west, and those people aren't served by KMOX after dark. When I go to Springfield, MO to visit my father, I have trouble hearing KMOX after dark until I'm almost in Springfield because the groundwave and skywave cancel each other out for 100-200 miles.

The other is the common joke, "Sad to see KMOX lose another listener," each time a radio person sees a hearse! The audience is aging at KMOX, and no 50,000 watt AM signal is likely to change that.

I agree that a Phoenix/St. Louis swap between Bonneville and CBS wouldn't make a lot of sense unless a lot of stations in other markets were thrown in to make it even.
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
KOHS said:
Senior Vice President/Financial Consultant with RBC Dain Rauscher, Wayne Stutzer, who is also a weekend host on KTAR, commented that such a deal...

What did the KT'R biz news shill say, other than "we're trackin' for a
higher (lower) opening this morning..."? His report was duly followed
by his recorded testimonial for meetings-r-us-dot-com.

Are you sure that was Wayne Stutzer or perhaps someone from Bloomberg? Stutzer usually doesn't shill like so many of his ilk (that guy who offers an audited track record comes to mind). Anyway, Nurse Jeff and I have heard from a totally unreliable source that Mutual has outbid CBS for KT'R. Details at the top of the hour!
 
Sac-Town is likely part of the bigger deal too. Bonneville likes the market, and is interested to get in and get their feet wet.
 
kentuckymedia said:
Sac-Town is likely part of the bigger deal too. Bonneville likes the market, and is interested to get in and get their feet wet.

Unless Bonneville wants to buy heritage AM talkers that are on their last legs and move them rapidly to FM, I don't see the logic of this. Neither KFBK nor KMOX's frequencies have any other use, so they would be impairing assets.

As reference, in the first PPM for San Francisco, heritage and legend KGO is 18th in 25-54.
 
I'm not going to take time pasting each quote form this last guy and his posts on this subject, BUT............

1. You must really hate AM. You say AM is on it's last legs.....I guess FM is adding so many new listeners in the younger demo, that's why
FM listenership is at an all time high??? That's why article after article is touting the rise in listenership to FM radio and the decline of internet users??? All radio trade magazines are expressing the joy of younger demo listeners having such high TSL on FM radio??? Retail trade publications quote increases in FM radio advertising budgets??? Lifestyle publications are writting articles, that 25-54 adults are having their parents move in with them, to help with the huge economic stress their parents are facing??? I didn't think so.....

2. KFYI hss never, since it was concieved been a 25-54 radio station, and never will be. The only thing it has done is secure a substantial NET profit for many years. In 1996 when KTAR was up for sale, and KFYI, you looked at the net profit figures from both, they were very close together.

3. I will take a 25 year old a 30 year old a 40 year old and a 45 year old and stack their spending ability up to any 50 year old 55 year old 60 year old and 65 year old. You have totally bought into RADIO BUYERS 25-54 crap. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting what you're getting....HUGE FM radio revenue increases year after year??? I didn't think so.
 
Intheday said:
I'm not going to take time pasting each quote form this last guy and his posts on this subject, BUT............

You don't have to cut and paste. Either make the quotes italicized or put the braketed quote statements around them.

1. You must really hate AM. You say AM is on it's last legs.....

Yes, it is. In 18-34, FM listening is around 4%, and even lower in some markets. The bulk is in 25-54.

I guess FM is adding so many new listeners in the younger demo, that's why

FM is not adding, it is keeping them. 18-34 in the last LA PPM (today) showed over 95% of that demo using radio.

FM listenership is at an all time high???

The amount of time spent listening has been slowly declining for 20 years, since 1988 or 1989. But the biggest decline is in AM usage.

That's why article after article is touting the rise in listenership to FM radio and the decline of internet users??? All radio trade magazines are expressing the joy of younger demo listeners having such high TSL on FM radio??? Retail trade publications quote increases in FM radio advertising budgets???

Radio is actually off in revenue less than the US economy. Remember, we are in a recession. Everybody is off.


KFYI hss never, since it was concieved been a 25-54 radio station, and never will be.

Internally, it was likely conceived as being a 35-64 station. Today, it is a 45+ station with the bulk of its audience over 55. But for sales, it has to be focused on 25-54, as there is essentially no buying for 55+ in radio. So, despite having much of the audience over 55, they sell the 25-54 part.

The only thing it has done is secure a substantial NET profit for many years. In 1996 when KTAR was up for sale, and KFYI, you looked at the net profit figures from both, they were very close together.

PPM is a year away. KGO in SF in PPM dropped over 12 positions in 25-54 market rank, to 18th. In LA, KFI went to 14th. WLS dropped by a similar amount in Chicago.

I will take a 25 year old a 30 year old a 40 year old and a 45 year old and stack their spending ability up to any 50 year old 55 year old 60 year old and 65 year old.

Go to any big advertiser (as if you could, of course) and speak with their marketing director who has probably spent millions (hundreds of million in the case of companies like P&G and Lever and so on) and ask where the return on investment is best... they will tell you 18-34, 18-49 and 25-54 or some subset. That is because it takes more advertising to change the habits of an older consumer, to the point that the cost per sale exceeds the profits in 55+ as a rule.

You have totally bought into RADIO BUYERS 25-54 crap.

Actually, the money demo today is more and more 18-49 or a subset.

Radio buyers have zero flexibility in age specs. The CLIENT specifies who and what their market is, and the buyer picks stations that deliver the desired cost per point and reach within the specified demo or they get fired.

Keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting what you're getting....HUGE FM radio revenue increases year after year??? I didn't think so.

I do. Even in a recession, our stations are flat this year, but were up double digits last year.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Unless Bonneville wants to buy heritage AM talkers that are on their last legs and move them rapidly to FM, I don't see the logic of this. Neither KFBK nor KMOX's frequencies have any other use, so they would be impairing assets.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. KFBK is owned by Clear Channel. CBS owns the sports talker on AM, which is 1140 KHTK. Although I suppose anything is possible, I couldn't imagine Bonneville putting KHTK on an FM if it were to buy CBS's Sacramento stations as part of a swap out of Phoenix. The CBS Sacramento stations don't look like really high performers, though that's based off of a quick 12+ ratings look as I don't have demo specific numbers for Sacramento.
 
Kent said:
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. KFBK is owned by Clear Channel.

Just imagining the only scenario that Bonneville would probably do today. Like a three way swap to get the intellectual property of KFBK (and the Franklin towers).

The CBS Sacramento stations don't look like really high performers, though that's based off of a quick 12+ ratings look as I don't have demo specific numbers for Sacramento.

It's also not a great market at the moment.
 
Sac-Town isnt a great market, but its not a bad market either. Look at Cincy, Seattle, both in the same boat. However, Bonneville is making money in Cincy, much more than CBS ever did. Reason why is Bonneville knows how to play to their strengths. This is something that most other companies cant do.

Sac-Town would be a great cluster for Bonneville to continue in-fill with markets where they can run relatively cheap and still make money.
 
One uestion that popped into my mind regarding Bonneville and the Sacramento market is why would they flip KNTY out of Country & into another format?

Before KNTY (aka 101.9 The Wolf) was launched, CBS's country station KNCI was Sacramento's #1 radio station, and routinely scored 7 and 8 shares.

As David said, the Sacramento market isn't all that hot, and especially with nearby Stockton (by most accounts the nation's foreclosure capital) underwater with foreclosures for years to come.
 
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