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[michael hagerty]

Personally, if I were an attorney having to challenge that POV in court, I would ask "then who is the 'opposing candidate', since that distinction belongs only to those running for a specific office during a specific election?"

And that's the correct argument. Now, are you making it in front of an impartial judge?

 

[K.M. Richards]

And that's the correct argument. Now, are you making it in front of an impartial judge?

That, of course, is a different question and one that has become more and more of a critical factor these days. I would presume that either side would try to find a judge sympathetic to their side and also try for same when filing for an appeal (which, as I said at the outset, is to be expected).

So it would probably come down to what the SCOTUS justices thought when it ultimately came to them. As I said earlier, Carr would likely be off the Commission by then, and we can't accurately predict how many of the justices now on the bench would have left in the intervening years ... or who their replacements would be.

How'd you like my response to your obviously rhetorical question, my long time friend Mike?

 

[michael hagerty]

That, of course, is a different question and one that has become more and more of a critical factor these days. I would presume that either side would try to find a judge sympathetic to their side and also try for same when filing for an appeal (which, as I said at the outset, is to be expected).

So it would probably come down to what the SCOTUS justices thought when it ultimately came to them. As I said earlier, Carr would likely be off the Commission by then, and we can't accurately predict how many of the justices now on the bench would have left in the intervening years ... or who their replacements would be.

How'd you like my response to your obviously rhetorical question, my long time friend Mike?

I mean, fine, except I think you're underestimating the ability of the current administration to fast-track issues like this to SCOTUS, and this is a case I think would be catnip for the current majority.

I think you could have a ruling on this in under 12 months.

 

[ted chittenden]

I haven't watched them since our local PBS network stopped carrying the MHZ Network [on a digital sub-channel] but I seem to recall that the foreign English language news broadcasts [DW News, France 24] had both opposing sides on their broadcasts when they were talking about some subject that had controversy--Fossil VS Wind/Nuclear/etc. energy, Israel Vs. Hamas, stuff like that]. I don't know if that's a requirement by their respective governments but something like that should be done VOLUNTARILY here. I can probably imagine why they don't because it'll probably just turn into a screamfest between both sides.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember it, but PBS did run, during the 1970s and 1980s, a program called "The Firing Line," that was supposed to be a debate on different ideas. It was hosted (if memory serves) by the now deceased William Buckley, a noted conservative commentator for that time. As noted, that program eventually turned into a screaming match between the right and left.

On the other hand, several public radio stations (including KJZZ in my current hometown of Phoenix) have been carrying a traditional style debate program (again, if memory serves) called "The Great Debates." As I understand it, the show is taped in front of a live audience on the East Coast, and, unlike "The Firing Line,", the moderator does his best not to reveal which side he is on with regard to the subjects being debated. I believe the network sponsoring the show is American Public Media (APM), and I've heard the program for over a decade now without the debates becoming a screamfest.

 

[Yabadabado1]

The argument will be made that the campaign calendar is obsolete---that every politician is always running for something.

Or running away from something.......like jail.

 

[Yabadabado1]

People can't turn away from a trainwreck.

I can. And I consider most of those afternoon "talk" shows [Jerry Springer, Et al.] as a garbage train wreck and never watch/watched them. And as far as an actual train wreck.......one that has NEVER slipped from my mind is from the mid 60s when I was a kid and saw a car that had been hit by a train shortly before we came upon it....and it had rolled that car into what basically looked like a metal cigar. I know it was a late 50s car, one of those ones that you think of today as a tank that nothing could destroy but man.......never did find out if anybody in it had been killed but I'm assuming probably were as how bad that car looked. I couldn't even tell what make/model it was! I may have the beginning of Alzheimer's now but right before my mind goes completely kablooey that train wreck will be the last thing left.

 

[Yabadabado1]

I don't know if you're old enough to remember it, but PBS did run, during the 1970s and 1980s, a program called "The Firing Line," that was supposed to be a debate on different ideas. It was hosted (if memory serves) by the now deceased William Buckley, a noted conservative commentator for that time. As noted, that program eventually turned into a screaming match between the right and left.

On the other hand, several public radio stations (including KJZZ in my current hometown of Phoenix) have been carrying a traditional style debate program (again, if memory serves) called "The Great Debates." As I understand it, the show is taped in front of a live audience on the East Coast, and, unlike "The Firing Line,", the moderator does his best not to reveal which side he is on with regard to the subjects being debated. I believe the network sponsoring the show is American Public Media (APM), and I've heard the program for over a decade now without the debates becoming a screamfest.

Yes, I remember "The Firing Line". Wasn't something I watched because I found Mr Buckley pedantic and boring. I think back then the only thing I watched on PBS were Nature and Science/Space programs and the occasional Sesame Street.

 

[michael hagerty]

I can. And I consider most of those afternoon "talk" shows [Jerry Springer, Et al.] as a garbage train wreck and never watch/watched them. .

Fair. I'm the same way. To be more accurate---enough people can't turn away from a trainwreck to make a pretty good living with them.

I had never seen Springer and one day was channel-surfing. He used to have the topic up on a font on-screen. That day it was:


"MY PIMP IS RUINING MY LIFE!"


I shrugged, muttered "Well...yeah." and kept surfing.

 

[radiofan2023]

Springer was an interesting guy away from his show. He was the son of German Jewish parents who fled just before the Second World War, and I once heard an interview with him where he talked about what that was like.

The BBC show Who Do You Think You Are? had him on and there's more information about his family's history involving the Holocaust here:

BBC - Who Do You Think You Are? - Jerry Springer - How we did it - Refugees from Nazi Germany

How we made Who Do You Think You Are? with Jerry Springer - part 1: Refugees

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[KilowattKat]

I don't know if you're old enough to remember it, but PBS did run, during the 1970s and 1980s, a program called "The Firing Line," that was supposed to be a debate on different ideas. It was hosted (if memory serves) by the now deceased William Buckley, a noted conservative commentator for that time. As noted, that program eventually turned into a screaming match between the right and left.

On the other hand, several public radio stations (including KJZZ in my current hometown of Phoenix) have been carrying a traditional style debate program (again, if memory serves) called "The Great Debates." As I understand it, the show is taped in front of a live audience on the East Coast, and, unlike "The Firing Line,", the moderator does his best not to reveal which side he is on with regard to the subjects being debated. I believe the network sponsoring the show is American Public Media (APM), and I've heard the program for over a decade now without the debates becoming a screamfest.

William F. Buckley would turn over in his grave if he knew that the host of the show's reboot (Margaret Hoover) is a feminist, and gay rights activist...

About Firing Line | Firing Line with Margaret Hoover | PBS

Firing Line with Margaret Hoover is a refreshing reprisal of William F. Buckley's iconic PBS program, a smart, civil and engaging contest of ideas. The

www.pbs.org

 

[michael hagerty]

William F. Buckley would turn over in his grave if he knew that the host of the show's reboot (Margaret Hoover) is a feminist, and gay rights activist...

About Firing Line | Firing Line with Margaret Hoover | PBS

Firing Line with Margaret Hoover is a refreshing reprisal of William F. Buckley's iconic PBS program, a smart, civil and engaging contest of ideas. The

www.pbs.org

Yeah, "gay rights activist" would make Bill break out in hives:

Buckley, Vidal, and the “Queer” Question

An entertaining new documentary returns to the gladiatorial debates between the two men—and to a controversial term hurled by Buckley.

www.newyorker.com