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KTU back to almost all classic dance

J

Jeffrey

As of about a month ago I noticed that once again KTU is slowly moving in an all classic dance direction, in direction competition with MIX 102.7 although not necessarily for that reason.
It still stuns me how there is so much oversaturation of classic dance music on New York's fm dial.
Ultimately I give MIX the winning credit because at least their focused.
I see them someday winning out.

KTU's format may be "their" definition of dance but it's crap.
That being said they are the most successful dance station in the US.
Guess that doesn't say much for radio programming...but we all already knew that.

seriously....more power to satellite radio!
 
> As of about a month ago I noticed that once again KTU is
> slowly moving in an all classic dance direction, in
> direction competition with MIX 102.7 although not
> necessarily for that reason.
> It still stuns me how there is so much oversaturation of
> classic dance music on New York's fm dial.
> Ultimately I give MIX the winning credit because at least
> their focused.
> I see them someday winning out.
>
> KTU's format may be "their" definition of dance but it's
> crap.
> That being said they are the most successful dance station
> in the US.
> Guess that doesn't say much for radio programming...but we
> all already knew that.
>
> seriously....more power to satellite radio!
>
I think you're probably just hearing a weekend shift, there is not enough of an audience for two classic dance stations, I think you're hearing a coincidence more than anything else.
 
When's Infinity Gonna start streaming WNEW 102.7 already online?

> > As of about a month ago I noticed that once again KTU is
> > slowly moving in an all classic dance direction, in
> > direction competition with MIX 102.7 although not
> > necessarily for that reason.
> > It still stuns me how there is so much oversaturation of
> > classic dance music on New York's fm dial.
> > Ultimately I give MIX the winning credit because at least
> > their focused.
> > I see them someday winning out.
> >
> > KTU's format may be "their" definition of dance but it's
> > crap.
> > That being said they are the most successful dance station
>
> > in the US.
> > Guess that doesn't say much for radio programming...but we
>
> > all already knew that.
> >
> > seriously....more power to satellite radio!
> >
> I think you're probably just hearing a weekend shift, there
> is not enough of an audience for two classic dance stations,
> I think you're hearing a coincidence more than anything
> else.
>
 
> I think you're probably just hearing a weekend shift, there
> is not enough of an audience for two classic dance stations,
> I think you're hearing a coincidence more than anything
> else.
>

I didn't start listening today. KTU has been leaning more on the classics since their no repeat weekday ploy.
Switch back and forth from 102.7 and 103.5 on a regular basis without looking and I'll bet most of the time you won't know what station you're listening to.
 
> When's Infinity Gonna start streaming WNEW 102.7 already
> online?
>
> > > As of about a month ago I noticed that once again KTU is
>
> > > slowly moving in an all classic dance direction, in
> > > direction competition with MIX 102.7 although not
> > > necessarily for that reason.
> > > It still stuns me how there is so much oversaturation of
>
> > > classic dance music on New York's fm dial.
> > > Ultimately I give MIX the winning credit because at
> least
> > > their focused.
> > > I see them someday winning out.
> > >
> > > KTU's format may be "their" definition of dance but it's
>
> > > crap.
> > > That being said they are the most successful dance
> station
> >
> > > in the US.
> > > Guess that doesn't say much for radio programming...but
> we
> >
> > > all already knew that.
> > >
> > > seriously....more power to satellite radio!
> > >
> > I think you're probably just hearing a weekend shift,
> there
> > is not enough of an audience for two classic dance
> stations,
> > I think you're hearing a coincidence more than anything
> > else.
> >
>
Jeffrey is correct; quite I while back I commented that the current output of dance tracks had no mass appeal,and that people would rather listen to old disco records than the rote,status quo diva records,and that Mix would rise. I didn't say all this stuff to be a bitch,or to be negative,I said it cos I've been around for a while and I could feel it coming.The mass public hasn't been feeling anything from dance (with the exception of the occassional 80s remake,a la"Listen To Your Heart' ,which they don't really percieve as a NEW record.)Without mass support from the public at large,big signal radio will retreat to proven hits from the stone age.rather than play records that only appeal to djs and no one else, and rightfully so,because,as the late Rick Sklar told a teenage version of me when I interviewed him and Bruce Morrow in the early 70s,"we're in the RADIO business, we're NOT in the record business!"
 
> > When's Infinity Gonna start streaming WNEW 102.7 already
> > online?
> >
> > > > As of about a month ago I noticed that once again KTU
> is
> >
> > > > slowly moving in an all classic dance direction, in
> > > > direction competition with MIX 102.7 although not
> > > > necessarily for that reason.
> > > > It still stuns me how there is so much oversaturation
> of
> >
> > > > classic dance music on New York's fm dial.
> > > > Ultimately I give MIX the winning credit because at
> > least
> > > > their focused.
> > > > I see them someday winning out.
> > > >
> > > > KTU's format may be "their" definition of dance but
> it's
> >
> > > > crap.
> > > > That being said they are the most successful dance
> > station
> > >
> > > > in the US.
> > > > Guess that doesn't say much for radio
> programming...but
> > we
> > >
> > > > all already knew that.
> > > >
> > > > seriously....more power to satellite radio!
> > > >
> > > I think you're probably just hearing a weekend shift,
> > there
> > > is not enough of an audience for two classic dance
> > stations,
> > > I think you're hearing a coincidence more than anything
> > > else.
> > >
> >
> Jeffrey is correct; quite I while back I commented that the
> current output of dance tracks had no mass appeal,and that
> people would rather listen to old disco records than the
> rote,status quo diva records,and that Mix would rise. I
> didn't say all this stuff to be a bitch,or to be negative,I
> said it cos I've been around for a while and I could feel it
> coming.The mass public hasn't been feeling anything from
> dance (with the exception of the occassional 80s remake,a
> la"Listen To Your Heart' ,which they don't really percieve
> as a NEW record.)Without mass support from the public at
> large,big signal radio will retreat to proven hits from the
> stone age.rather than play records that only appeal to djs
> and no one else, and rightfully so,because,as the late Rick
> Sklar told a teenage version of me when I interviewed him
> and Bruce Morrow in the early 70s,"we're in the RADIO
> business, we're NOT in the record business!"
>

Just wait for HD radio to kick in guys. Seriously. I think with all of the arguing that has happened here and on the mainstream level, some NY station will go current dance on that spectrum. Personally, I'd like to see Hot 97 tackle it. Emmis has always been one that has stayed to the currents.

TS
 
> Just wait for HD radio to kick in guys. Seriously. I think
> with all of the arguing that has happened here and on the
> mainstream level, some NY station will go current dance on
> that spectrum. Personally, I'd like to see Hot 97 tackle
> it. Emmis has always been one that has stayed to the
> currents.
>
> TS
>
Very true and if HOT 97/Emmis tackles it as well as they've tackled their hip, hop format they would make it a truely legendary HD dance station.
More power to them. HOT 97 is, in my opinion one of the top stations in the country for how they program their format.
It is a true power house regardless of format preferences.
 
Re: I Just Shake My Head...

THIS to me is hilarious!! I realize that CBS-FM is gone and I realize why it disappeared but is there a need for TWO, 2, DOS Dance Stations in NYC?? Do they bill THAT well? Atleast WKTU does and Mix is rising steadily but GIVE ME A BREAK!! I do NOT have satellite but Thank God I have my iPOD! THIS is the reason why People are going to satellite and disregarding Terrestrial Radio all together. V A R I E T Y FOLKS!!!

What a Cluster F...
 
Huh?

> THIS to me is hilarious!! I realize that CBS-FM is gone and
> I realize why it disappeared but is there a need for TWO, 2,
> DOS Dance Stations in NYC?? Do they bill THAT well? Atleast
> WKTU does and Mix is rising steadily but GIVE ME A BREAK!! I
> do NOT have satellite but Thank God I have my iPOD! THIS is
> the reason why People are going to satellite and
> disregarding Terrestrial Radio all together. V A R I E
> T Y FOLKS!!!
>
> What a Cluster F...
>

What are you talking about? What does two disco stations in NY have to do with people going to satellite radio?

If you are talking about the absence of 50s and 60s Oldies then this makes even less sense. If people weren't going to listen to the format over the air, they aren't going to pay $12/mo for it.

Here's the reason why people are going to Sat radio: Howard Stern, Bubba the Love Sponge, Opie and Anthony...
 
Re: Ummm...

Ummm-

I think I clearly referred to the lack of variety on the radio in NYC as the problem within itself. Granted every city in the US has different demos, but 2 dance stations is extrememly excessive and quite frankly unncecessary. The ONLY people who are going to disagree are Dance Fans and people who have a personal interest with those entities, ie: Jocks or Management.

I was making light of the fact that there are NO Oldies and yet 2 dance stations and basically 2 Classic Rock Stations more or less, Q and Jack.

Understand Now?

If it comes down to me paying $12 to listen to what I WANT TO HEAR, then THAT WILL be money well spent. Terrsttrial Raido needs to offer something that will make people want to listen, NOT offer what they think the audience wants to hear. THATS A HUGE PROBLEM. Feel free to contact me for more clarification if necessary....

;-)
 
Re: Huh?

Let's not for forget ex-CBSFM DJ's like Cousin Brucie, Pat St John, Steve O' Brian, Norm N Nite, Bill Rock, Ed Baer, Marty Michaels. Besides the 4 djs you mentioned, this can be another reason why people are going Satalite Radio.

> Here's the reason why people are going to Sat radio: Howard
> Stern, Bubba the Love Sponge, Opie and Anthony...
>
 
I've been a dance music fan for quite a while, but it is just one of the types of music I like. I've also noticed 'KTU playing more and more classic dance, with only the same dozen or so new songs repeated. It does seem redundant to copy Mix 102.7's format -- maybe 'KTU is getting nervous?

Granted, as with any type of music, it's all individual taste, but I think new dance music still has a place on the air in NYC!

By the way, for any other dance music fans who don't know of this station, may I direct you to www.c895fm.com, the internet simulcast of KNHC Seattle? Great station, almost completely commercial-free, and they play new dance songs before even 'KTU puts them on!

> Jeffrey is correct; quite I while back I commented that the
> current output of dance tracks had no mass appeal,and that
> people would rather listen to old disco records than the
> rote,status quo diva records,and that Mix would rise. I
> didn't say all this stuff to be a bitch,or to be negative,I
> said it cos I've been around for a while and I could feel it
> coming.The mass public hasn't been feeling anything from
> dance (with the exception of the occassional 80s remake,a
> la"Listen To Your Heart' ,which they don't really percieve
> as a NEW record.)Without mass support from the public at
> large,big signal radio will retreat to proven hits from the
> stone age.rather than play records that only appeal to djs
> and no one else, and rightfully so,because,as the late Rick
> Sklar told a teenage version of me when I interviewed him
> and Bruce Morrow in the early 70s,"we're in the RADIO
> business, we're NOT in the record business!"
>
 
Re: I Just Shake My Head...

> THIS to me is hilarious!! I realize that CBS-FM is gone and
> I realize why it disappeared but is there a need for TWO, 2,
> DOS Dance Stations in NYC?? Do they bill THAT well? Atleast
> WKTU does and Mix is rising steadily but GIVE ME A BREAK!! I
> do NOT have satellite but Thank God I have my iPOD! THIS is
> the reason why People are going to satellite and
> disregarding Terrestrial Radio all together. V A R I E
> T Y FOLKS!!!
>
> What a Cluster F...
>

Calm down. I simply think Mix should focus on classic dance and KTU focus more on 90s and current dance.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Ummm...

> Ummm-
>
> I think I clearly referred to the lack of variety on the
> radio in NYC as the problem within itself. Granted every
> city in the US has different demos, but 2 dance stations is
> extrememly excessive and quite frankly unncecessary. The
> ONLY people who are going to disagree are Dance Fans and
> people who have a personal interest with those entities, ie:
> Jocks or Management.
>
> I was making light of the fact that there are NO Oldies and
> yet 2 dance stations and basically 2 Classic Rock Stations
> more or less, Q and Jack.
>
> Understand Now?
>
> If it comes down to me paying $12 to listen to what I WANT
> TO HEAR, then THAT WILL be money well spent. Terrsttrial
> Raido needs to offer something that will make people want to
> listen, NOT offer what they think the audience wants to
> hear. THATS A HUGE PROBLEM. Feel free to contact me for more
> clarification if necessary....
>
> ;-)
>

I couldn't agree with you more! All there is on New York City Radio is Rock, Disco and Hip-Hop... thats pretty much it.

I think one of the Rock stations should switch to another format (prefferably Jack or K-rock). There is no variety on NYC radio and that is helping Satellite radio pick up ground. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Satellite radio but it's sad when we see terrestrial radio going down the tubes the way it is now.

I can switch stations like 4 times and hear the same songs non-stop which once again is SAD!

Like I've said a million times, just like Tony Santiago and many others on this board.... KTU needs to go current and Mix should just stay the way they are because at least they are focused.

My two sense.....

JC<P ID="signature">______________
NYC & CT Radio Lover
"KTU needs to change to a current dance format"
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Re: I Just Shake My Head...

Calm down. I simply think Mix should focus on classic dance
> and KTU focus more on 90s and current dance.
>


With ALL do repsect, who are YOU to tell ME to Calm Down!? I am simply offering MY opinion like YOU tend to do on a more regular basis. I've seen your posts they contain minimal content and the very basic of statements so having said that...I appreciate your words

Enjoy the rest of your day!!
 
Re: I Just Shake My Head...

Especially when Philadelphia has none.

> THIS to me is hilarious!! I realize that CBS-FM is gone and
> I realize why it disappeared but is there a need for TWO, 2,
> DOS Dance Stations in NYC?? Do they bill THAT well? Atleast
> WKTU does and Mix is rising steadily but GIVE ME A BREAK!! I
> do NOT have satellite but Thank God I have my iPOD! THIS is
> the reason why People are going to satellite and
> disregarding Terrestrial Radio all together. V A R I E
> T Y FOLKS!!!
>
> What a Cluster F...
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: Ummm...

> Like I've said a million times, just like Tony Santiago and
> many others on this board.... KTU needs to go current and
> Mix should just stay the way they are because at least they
> are focused.
>
> My two sense.....
>
> JC
>

At this point we can either do four things.

1) Pick up a Sirius/XM unit.
2) Sit down and wait it out for HD radio.
3) Go look at countdowns in other countries, get the tunes via an open source program and load em up into your iPod(I gotta say this...iTunes SUCKS when it comes to dance music selections...the only good thing in there is DJ Tiesto).
4) Listen to streams such as Music One.

Because NOTHING is going to change the face of terrestrial radio. I did read your comments Radio 411. Yeah, NYC doesn't have an oldies station, NYC doesn't have a country station. And I am SURE that you might have polka fans out there that want a station but NOPE..none for them either.

And to that I will agree SOMEWHAT about the lack of diversity. Yeah you have 3 (if you count 'BLS) hip-hop stations, 2 disco stations (basically that's what 'KTU is starting to become despite my past rants) and yeah, it sounds pretty much the same. But with the Latin stations at least you have a bit of diversity...Amor with the slower material, Mega with Salsa/Merengue and La Kalle with the reggaeton. The two rock stations has one more active and the other more classic in nature and then the rest of em (lite, AC, CHR, and yep, including Crack (scuse me..JACK)

And getting BACK to the two dance stations, the problem isn't that there are too many, hey if the market DICTATES this, so be the marketplace, right? Hip-hop fans can argue the same thing for three stations. The problem with the dance stations is that they are BOTH going back to older music when only ONE of them should really be there. That should be Mix since they had established themselves as this whereas when KTU came out, the demand was for more current dance yet they were limited in going there. And it wasn't as if no one WANTED new material..people DID. But the programming on KTU was limited when it came to new (we're talking around 1996 - 2001).

Hey, I got my iPod (number 3 since one broke on me because of the uploading and another broke because of the spin wheel. And number 3 is starting to have headphone jack problems now...Apple is gonna LOVE me since I bought my iPod in JUNE!) so I am fine with that.

HD will make the difference for those radio disenfranchised. It's really a matter of how much these companies want to invest in it.

TONY SANTIAGO
 
Re: Huh?

Howard Stern? Is he still around? Wow. I thought this was 2005. What a washed up personality. "Hi, I'm a geek, I'm going to get naked women to go down on themselves on the air". Some people don't ask for much. Boring!

Opie and Anthony? More testosterone-roided radio.

The reason people are going to satellite? More music channels and more choices on a NATIONAL BASIS. One radio station can't offer what ONE SATELLITE COMPANY can. It's that simple. Technology and radio's inability to see it's own destructiveness in spot load and repetitiveness from 1997 to 2004 opened the door. Radio is a dwindling power, technology in the hands of the 18-24 year olds are radio's future listeners but there's one problem, their habits have changed with technology and radio isn't really part of their main habit any longer.


> > THIS to me is hilarious!! I realize that CBS-FM is gone
> and
> > I realize why it disappeared but is there a need for TWO,
> 2,
> > DOS Dance Stations in NYC?? Do they bill THAT well?
> Atleast
> > WKTU does and Mix is rising steadily but GIVE ME A BREAK!!
> I
> > do NOT have satellite but Thank God I have my iPOD! THIS
> is
> > the reason why People are going to satellite and
> > disregarding Terrestrial Radio all together. V A R I E
>
> > T Y FOLKS!!!
> >
> > What a Cluster F...
> >
>
> What are you talking about? What does two disco stations in
> NY have to do with people going to satellite radio?
>
> If you are talking about the absence of 50s and 60s Oldies
> then this makes even less sense. If people weren't going to
> listen to the format over the air, they aren't going to pay
> $12/mo for it.
>
> Here's the reason why people are going to Sat radio: Howard
> Stern, Bubba the Love Sponge, Opie and Anthony...
>
 
I hope WKTU does go and become a classic dance station, this way they can really compete with WNEW. A message for KTU, add more motown and soul dance hits from the late 60s, this way KTU can be ahead of WNEW music wise since WNEW only goes from 75 on up.
> As of about a month ago I noticed that once again KTU is
> slowly moving in an all classic dance direction, in
> direction competition with MIX 102.7 although not
> necessarily for that reason.
> It still stuns me how there is so much oversaturation of
> classic dance music on New York's fm dial.
> Ultimately I give MIX the winning credit because at least
> their focused.
> I see them someday winning out.
>
> KTU's format may be "their" definition of dance but it's
> crap.
> That being said they are the most successful dance station
> in the US.
> Guess that doesn't say much for radio programming...but we
> all already knew that.
>
> seriously....more power to satellite radio!
>
 
> I hope WKTU does go and become a classic dance station, this
> way they can really compete with WNEW. A message for KTU,
> add more motown and soul dance hits from the late 60s, this
> way KTU can be ahead of WNEW music wise since WNEW only goes
> from 75 on up.

What is your obsession with multiple classic dance stations in NYC? First of all, you're upstate and can't hear them anyway. Second, that slice of the pie can barely support one station, never mind 2.
 
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