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KTVU Gets Pranked on Asiana Pilot's Names

M.J. said:
Another journalistic low of the 21st century, right down there with Balloon Boy.
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But at least the Denver ststions had a defense in this case. They (Like the authorities) were led by the parents into believing that the boy was really in danger. Look how that turned out

In short - Bad analogy dude

Cheers & 73 ;D
 
michael hagerty said:
Fenway1912 said:
It gets worse

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...acist-names-san-fran-pilots-article-1.1397490
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So KTVU gets its confirmation from an NTSB summer intern, who they identify as an official?

Did the intern impersonate an official? And if the NTSB's role was confirmation, where did the list of names come from to begin with?
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Four words - Howard Stern Wannabe Clone

These morons are known for posting prank calls online & even forming so-called Internet "Radio Stations" on such services like Live365 & SHOUTcast. What's even stranger is these clowns ACTUALLY get listeners

Cheers & 73 ;D
 
It is one thing to get punked or video bombed on a live feed, but there is no excuse for what happened that day.

Spin it all day and all night, those involved should be fired immediately.

There is no rational arguement. Termination. Now.
 
Studio20 said:
It is one thing to get punked or video bombed on a live feed, but there is no excuse for what happened that day.

Spin it all day and all night, those involved should be fired immediately.

There is no rational arguement. Termination. Now.
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I think that's very likely now that Asiana Airlines is threatening legal action against KTVU and the NTSB. They almost have to take action to give themselves deniability ("those responsible are no longer with us").
 
Can't blame the Airline for loading up with lawyers. Lord knows the families of the dead and injured will keep them busy.

However, from a journalistic standpoint, the path is clear. Were I an advertiser on that station, I would pull every ad until all involved were told to pack up and leave.
 
Studio20 said:
Can't blame the Airline for loading up with lawyers. Lord knows the families of the dead and injured will keep them busy.

However, from a journalistic standpoint, the path is clear. Were I an advertiser on that station, I would pull every ad until all involved were told to pack up and leave.
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What's hurting KTVU the most at this moment is that it hasn't explained where it got the names.

The NTSB says the list "originated with the station".

KTVU thought the list credible enough to attempt to confirm with the NTSB and to air. So where did it come from?

KTVU has answered every question but that one. And the longer they wait, the worse it looks.
 
Given most Americans attention span, they are hoping we will just move on ---- oh, the guy from Glee died?!?!

Yep, thats pretty much it. The staff will probably have a good laugh over cocktails at the stations holiday party this year.
 
Studio20 said:
Given most Americans attention span, they are hoping we will just move on ---- oh, the guy from Glee died?!?!

Yep, thats pretty much it. The staff will probably have a good laugh over cocktails at the stations holiday party this year.
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Anyplace else maybe...but not in the Bay Area. They've ticked off a third of the audience, and if Asiana Airlines sues, a trial could expose details about how sloppy procedures are that could destroy their credibility as a news gathering operation.

People underestimate just how offensive this is to Asians. Imagine if the pilots were African-American and the names were racist stereotypes. No one would get off easy, nor would anyone expect them to. The Asian community is just as hurt and offended by this, takes it absolutely as seriously, and in the Bay Area, has enormous economic and political (San Francisco Mayor Edwin Lee is of Chinese descent. His parents emigrated to the U.S. in the 1930s) power.
 
michael hagerty said:
M.J. said:
This wasn't a first for KTVU either. This one happened in mid-2006:

http://blog.rifftrax.com/2008/11/25/move-over-hugh-jass/

What I have yet to see anywhere is someone interviewed with the last name Hunt, first name Mike. That said, there is a real person by that name, who happens to be a well-known lawyer in Perth, Australia, though his website refers to his first name only as Michael.
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And all this on a station that RUNS "The Simpsons".
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Do they air the syndicated episodes or just the first run Fox episodes on Sunday night?
 
*sigh*, yes, it's worse.

This information had to go through at least two, maybe three people before the anchor read it.

None of them caught on? None of them sounded out the names, as most will do with names that may be foreign from your own?

Even in this day and age of corporate monopolies and slipshod broadcasting, where the bar has been lowered, there are those who will honestly make excuses for these people?

In the words of the hopefully soon to be ex anchor, "Ho Lee ***".
 
e-dawg said:
Asiana airlines says the local tv station damaged their reputation.

http://news.yahoo.com/asiana-says-tv-station-damaged-reputation-083102599.html
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Yes - apparently Asiana will now sue KTVU.

It's worth noting that KTVU has (until now) enjoyed a reputation as the Bay Area's pre-eminent TV news organization. Their excellent reputation dates back to the late 1970s. They were widely credited with being the first station to give up "happy talk" and over-sensationalized news for a straight just-the-facts approach.

But IMO, they have been mostly resting on their laurels, as KGO-TV and KPIX caught up long ago. KRON was also excellent in the 80s and 90s before the disasterous Young Brodacasting purchase.
 
THE NTSB INTERN... This may sound far-fetched, and there are enough questions to indicate to me that what I'm about to ask isn't true ... but, are we sure the intern wasn't in on the gag? In place to take the call and confirm the unconfirmable? How does an intern confirm something when he/she has no idea? How does an intern not figure that doing something like this is dangerous for their internship, which you assume he/she cares about. Those "names" were only in the mind of the prankster(s). Yet, it seems very coincidental that the intern would be at the right phone to take this confirmation call from the station.

This is another instance of being first is more important then being right.
 
johnbasalla said:
THE NTSB INTERN... This may sound far-fetched, and there are enough questions to indicate to me that what I'm about to ask isn't true ... but, are we sure the intern wasn't in on the gag? In place to take the call and confirm the unconfirmable? How does an intern confirm something when he/she has no idea? How does an intern not figure that doing something like this is dangerous for their internship, which you assume he/she cares about. Those "names" were only in the mind of the prankster(s). Yet, it seems very coincidental that the intern would be at the right phone to take this confirmation call from the station.
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If you're right, then the NTSB is lying its *** off. Their news release over the weekend said the intern "in good faith, not realizing the names were offensive, and wanting to be helpful, acted outside his authority in confirming them. The names were provided by the television station."

If it was the NTSB intern all the way, I'd expect KTVU to try to hang it on him and the agency ASAP.

However, it is really unusual that KTVU still has not disclosed where the names came from after a lengthy and revealing ("We never read the names aloud...we never asked the rank of the person at the NTSB to whom we were speaking") apology.

I want to hear them say where the list of names came from in the first place.
 
What is meant by the NTSB intern defense of he/she did this in "good faith"? Not realizing the names were offensive is actually not the main problem. The problem is saying "yes, I can confirm those names" when he/she can't. That was not done in "good faith".

I would not say that it may have been the NTSB all the way. What I'm throwing into the mix of questions is the possibility (maybe slight) that the intern was in cahoots with whomever gave those names to the station which triggered the call to the NTSB for confirmation.

Now, wouldn't it be wild if it was the intern all the way... He/she gave the names to the station, and then was at the phone when they called for confirmation. That seems to be bit too far out, I'm afraid, but wacky things happen in this upside down world we live in.
 
johnbasalla said:
What is meant by the NTSB intern defense of he/she did this in "good faith"? Not realizing the names were offensive is actually not the main problem. The problem is saying "yes, I can confirm those names" when he/she can't. That was not done in "good faith".

I would not say that it may have been the NTSB all the way. What I'm throwing into the mix of questions is the possibility (maybe slight) that the intern was in cahoots with whomever gave those names to the station which triggered the call to the NTSB for confirmation.

Now, wouldn't it be wild if it was the intern all the way... He/she gave the names to the station, and then was at the phone when they called for confirmation. That seems to be bit too far out, I'm afraid, but wacky things happen in this upside down world we live in.
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Well, I have the same problem you do with the "in good faith" and "wanting to be helpful" thing.

Hey, kid...wanna be helpful? Transfer the call to someone who knows something. Because you can't confirm....what isn't real.

Something is real wrong here.
 
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