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Kudos and stuff

so at the MAB Annual meeting, banquet and lovefest...

The late, legendary Frank Fixaris, along with the affable and hugable Don Brown and Randi Kirshbaum were inducted into the Maine Association of Broadcasters Hall of Fame. all 3 most worthy of the honor.

and throughout the evening, radio and tv were noted for accomplishments in their endeavors. for those not aware, the local Broadcast Associations solicit "same day" entries from all radio & tv for judging in the annual awards. those entries (airchecks & video clips) are then judged by out-of-state Broadcast Associations. it removes the local possibility of favoritism. and it's one of those things for which you're not judged if you don't enter.

so... as working pros and casual listeners... to whom would you give props based on what you hear.
now - the stipulation is granted and accepted that you may not really care for what is available in your neighborhood, but it is what it is. it's all we got.

in an effort to keep this thread friendly - take no offense if you (the working stiff) are not mentioned. it's one of those "first things that pop into your head" things. and don't slam someone for their choice or opinion here. could be fun.

personally, i'll start....

news - radio - Mike Audet. hardest working news guy in the biz. and a current member of the MAB Hall of Fame. plus, if you're on his email list, he passes along some serious roflpmplmfao jokes.

news - tv - Dick Gosselin. sadly, lost on channel 8 but not on those who enjoy his work. he rolls up his sleeves and brings home a story concisely and succinctly, with that great polished delivery honed by his years of tv (and radio) news broadcasting. and for those who may not know, he's a major market talent, having spent far too many shuffling up&down the pike to work for WCVB in Boston before the price of gas went up.

on-air - radio - music format - Teddy McKay. on CHR Q 97 dot NINE!!!! (sidebar - this has nothing to do with Teddy but for those who wonder how tight a format can get, do a websearch on "nine," listen and enjoy radio brevity at its best). Teddy speaks with his audience like they are all adults. even the adults. and the guy gets paid to have that much fun on the air, just being Teddy. my sympathies to Teddy on this year's Red Sox.

on-air - radio - talk - Ken & Mike (WGAN). two polar opposites in oh so many ways, and not a lick of it is fake. the liberal and the conservative very well executed. and they're not afraid to agree on things, either, unlike previous incarnations who were most likely instructed to disagree, regardless. nothing sucks more on talk radio than insincerety. on a music station, you can sound happy for three seconds saying the words "Michael" and "Bolton" and then shut off the mic. in the talk format, you don't have 3 minutes, 45 seconds to go wash your mouth out, so whatever comes out had better not leave that bitter taste.

production - radio - (tie) Mark Matzell and Steve Schneider. both are pros with varied yet smooth deliveries on their local spots, and can really make a spot sing when they get to not worry about how they, personally, sound while letting others do the talking. and both write an "easy to listen to" spot, even one buried in a 7 set cluster.

best appearance of a radio guy on a tv spot - Dave Winsor. mark 'em down and move 'em out. and Thank God he has finally learned that Hyundai rhymes with Sunday. ('bout freakin' time, Dave.... i was worried you were gonna sprain your lips trying to say it the way you had been....)

promotions - radio - a crowded field, for sure. but sadly not a new idea in the bunch - either nationally syndicated or corporately tied-in. for what it's worth, though, the simple "mystery person/location" events keep a station local and extremely tied into the community. Q has executed a few of these in the past couple of years, very well. i thought the MGX Home MakeOver thing was an interesting approach, too. (for those too young to remember, MGX is now Coast 93-1)

best out-of-station - WTOP, Washington, DC (AM 1500). not just an 18 minute cycle of news. you'll usually have to listen for 90 minutes before you'll get any direct repeats. news casters are tight'n'bright writers & readers. features vary - from people and places to technology and lifestyle. redundancies such as weather and traffic, but for the average station, a tsl of better than 10 minutes is something most do not enjoy - so watch out for the back-up heading towards BWI. but wait til the sun goes down and you're away from Baxter Blvd. as much as i usually listen to WBZ, i have to give props to this station that is still live, 24/7. my sympathies to WTOP for having to live in the same city as The Nationals.

feel free to add some thoughts - be kind and tempered and good-natured in your salutes. and expand the categories, if the spirit moves ya.

i'm off to see if OPW has any MD2020 down there under the bridge. and if we're lucky, we'll get argy to bring his 88 and tinkle... the ivories, that is.

edit to incorporate the word "get" in last sentence, in case you wuz curious
 
Erie_Lackawanna said:
best out-of-station - WTOP, Washington, DC (AM 1500). not just an 18 minute cycle of news. you'll usually have to listen for 90 minutes before you'll get any direct repeats. news casters are tight'n'bright writers & readers. features vary - from people and places to technology and lifestyle. redundancies such as weather and traffic, but for the average station, a tsl of better than 10 minutes is something most do not enjoy - so watch out for the back-up heading towards BWI. but wait til the sun goes down and you're away from Baxter Blvd. as much as i usually listen to WBZ, i have to give props to this station that is still live, 24/7. my sympathies to WTOP for having to live in the same city as The Nationals.

The WTOP product is top-notich, but it isn't on AM anymore (well it is, but on a P-O-S AMer in Frederick). WTOP is now basically on the big 103.5 FM only in the Washington area. Are you referring to the "long-form news" of WTWP 1500 (Washington Post Radio)?
 
encarta95 said:
The WTOP product is top-notich, but it isn't on AM anymore (well it is, but on a P-O-S AMer in Frederick). WTOP is now basically on the big 103.5 FM only in the Washington area. Are you referring to the "long-form news" of WTWP 1500 (Washington Post Radio)?

must be that. a much shorter commute lately and still too close to the 1490 stick doesn't make the listen all that clear. thanks for setting me straight.
 
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Erie...your nominations were very interesting...at least to me! Of course, a good chunk of 'em came from the NASSAU employment line which really wasn't exactly objective...but you're entitled to your opinion.

On another subject...one of the reasons there's very little "creativity" in promotional events is that most radio stations want to do things very cheaply.
[Do you remember back in the mid-80s when WGAN had "THE MAINE CATALOG SWEEPSTAKES?" Just about everybody who had a mailbox got a copy of the catalog...and if the number mentioned by the jock on the air matched the prize...it was FREE! This was the contest that WGAN gave away a brand new house in addition to some fantastic other prizes. Unfortunately, the promotion got 'cheapened' the following year----somehow, the enthusiasm for the '69 Toyota automobile and the trip to Pemaquid didn't measure up? So the catalog sweepstakes quietly disappeared!

I think the "home-make-over" thing is relevant...but unless you're a regular COAST 93.1 listener...it's probably not reaching a heck of a lot of people?

The only way promotions work at ANY RADIO STATION is to offer a prize that people want and to make winning it "as simple as possible!"

argytunes
 
argytunes said:
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Erie...your nominations were very interesting...at least to me! Of course, a good chunk of 'em came from the NASSAU employment line which really wasn't exactly objective...but you're entitled to your opinion.

On another subject...one of the reasons there's very little "creativity" in promotional events is that most radio stations want to do things very cheaply.
[Do you remember back in the mid-80s when WGAN had "THE MAINE CATALOG SWEEPSTAKES?" Just about everybody who had a mailbox got a copy of the catalog...and if the number mentioned by the jock on the air matched the prize...it was FREE! This was the contest that WGAN gave away a brand new house in addition to some fantastic other prizes. Unfortunately, the promotion got 'cheapened' the following year----somehow, the enthusiasm for the '69 Toyota automobile and the trip to Pemaquid didn't measure up? So the catalog sweepstakes quietly disappeared!

I think the "home-make-over" thing is relevant...but unless you're a regular COAST 93.1 listener...it's probably not reaching a heck of a lot of people?

The only way promotions work at ANY RADIO STATION is to offer a prize that people want and to make winning it "as simple as possible!"

argytunes

actually, Mr.Winsor is the only Nassau employee mentioned. Citadel includes the Q. Saga has Mr.Audet and Coast.

THE House (on Moussam Ridge in Kennebunk, iirc) was the single best promotion ever undertaken in the state, but directly, and i mean directly taken from the WHDH Prize Catalog (and even that was offered up by a marketing company). i still have a "HOUSE???" button somewhere.
and what's wrong with an old Toyota? i got one in the driveway, for sale... just be the first caller with $1,000 and it's yours!!! (1990 with 163k, runs great, new clutch, new tires, nice Pinetree Mobile Sounds CD sound system... only $1,000 as the CD also has a, um, er, AM/FM radio in it...)

simple actually works. listen and win. lately, too many promotions are relying on driving listeners to the web site. almost gone are the days where you can just be the 5th caller.
((sidebar - how many free records/tix did the pre-radio YOU (and not just argy) win???))
we are, collectively, a new-age soundbite society. if you don't get to the hook in 5 to 7 seconds, they're outta here. that's why i did give props to the home/room makeover thing. i thought it was creative enough, and timely enough, and required a little extra legwork on the part of the people who were interested in winning.

and since older promotional ideas have been broached, a nod to another GAN promotion/production of yore.... not many people can get Shaw's, Len Libby's, Country Kitchen and yessiree into a home-made jingle. the Backyard BBQ campaign was a fun one, as was the simple idea of getting the station out and into the community while delivering a value-added prize for the winner and exposure for the clients.
 
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Having done some of those "WGAN backyard barbecues" along with you...I THINK THE CONCEPT WAS GREAT!

They were simple...easy to pull off...great PR for the radio station (WGAN)...and a way to let listeners know that the voices that came out of their radio speakers belonged to "real people" like themselves!

Even if the house promotion-giveaway was "borrowed from WHDH"---it was BRAND NEW to the Northern New England Radio Market. And for once...the sales and programming departments at WGAN worked as a team to pull everything together and make it work! [FYI...I still have all of those "contest winner" promos in my file!].

As far as 'short attention span' and getting the message out in the first 5-7 seconds, you and I learned at principal in college! The biggest problem is that with too many elements in a spot cluster...many listeners don't want to hang around and wait for the music or programming to START UP AGAIN?

They can easily go to a different radio station, grab an ipod or music CD, and get their 'entertainment' from an alternate source!

argytunes
 
argytunes once again you have shown your dislike and contempt for Nassau Broadcasting. What is it with you? Did they decide not to hire you at some point? Or are you just a mark for another station/company? Maybe you're just a washed up old timer with an axe to grind.

The original intent of this thread was to pass along kudo's to those inducted into the MAB and congratulate those others for a job well done in an increasingly difficult medium. Your first comment was to say there were too many mentions about Nassau. Truth is there was only one mention and that was Dave Windsor from WTHT. When that was brought to your attention you simply glossed over that to continue on to make your point for the millionth time.

While you're so quick to dismiss Nassau Broadcasting, let me say as a person in attendance that night, Nassau cleaned up in the awards department. WTHT, WFNK and The Bone won 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place for "best of the Web." WFNK took first place for Public Service for their Children's Miracle Netwrok Radiothon. Meanwhile WTHT took 2nd place for their annual St. Judes Hospital Radiothon.

If memory serves they collected one more award, but can't recall exactly which one. So it appears as if the broadcasters around the state have high regards for Nassau even if you and a few others don't.

As a member of the community in which they serve, I find their commitment to charity causes commendable.
 
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Clint...

I was always under the impression that a public forum was 'a designated source' to express an opinion? Has that changed??? Do all of us "old-timers" (your term not mine) have to agree with your views 100% of the time?

Just because my thoughts might differ from yours has nothing to do whether (or not) Nassau ever wished (or wishes) to hire me? So you definitely 'struck out' on that comment!

Personally...I think Dave Winsor is an incredible radio talent. As for his car commercials, there's really no point in covering the issue again! [I've stated in the past that many of the local dealers seem to be engaged in a contest as to who can look "the goofiest in front of a camera"...while totally ignoring ALL THE CARS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL?].

I think it's terrific that Nassau won as many awards as it did and I congratulate them. But do you HONESTLY believe that day-to-day listeners REALLY care about the number of awards ANY radio station has won?

Isn't an enjoyable, less-cluttered format 'a little more important to a listener' than the number of plaques that might be on display in a broadcast cabinet?

argytunes
 
argytunes said:
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I was always under the impression that a public forum was 'a designated source' to express an opinion? Has that changed??? Do all of us "old-timers" (your term not mine) have to agree with your views 100% of the time?
Just because my thoughts might differ from yours has nothing to do whether (or not) Nassau ever wished (or wishes) to hire me? So you definitely 'struck out' on that comment!
I think it's terrific that Nassau won as many awards as it did and I congratulate them. But do you HONESTLY believe that day-to-day listeners REALLY care about the number of awards ANY radio station has won?
Isn't an enjoyable, less-cluttered format 'a little more important to a listener' than the number of plaques that might be on display in a broadcast cabinet?

2 things here, argy...

1) i offered up this thread as a "positive" thing. got a problem with somebody/something? start a new thread. sadly - the idea behind this was give both working stiffs and the 'net savvy listeners a chance to toss a few props. you yourself have enjoyed a pat on the back - although you were quick to remind us that it's only 18 inches away from a kick in the arse.

2) the MAB's are judged by other professional broadcasters. you know what? being highly thought of by your peers is the kindest thing that will ever happen to a professional. it's great when an average listener/viewer enjoys what we do. the more who do are usually reflected in the ratings. but when one aspires to put some effort into a daily grind, and on that "one day/same day" the pieces fall nicely into place, and then is even considered "not sucky" by another who does the same thing, well that actually does provide some personal satisfaction. we all know, all too well, that an MAB award does not mean anything of a physical substantive nature than the plaque, unless you got one of those rare "MAB Bonus" clauses in the contract. but that plaque says (insert best Tim Sample/John MacDonald here) "hey, bunky... you did a wicked swell thing there, dear." and at the end of the day, having that personal satisfaction to reflect upon is not bad. not bad at all.
 
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Erie...

If you re-read Clint's previous comment about Nassau, I think you'll find that my primary response was to him?

As you and I both know, the MAB has always been a 'recognition source' for broadcasters who are outstanding...or at least notable...in the market. I meant no disrespect to any of the members of the MAB...who are pretty much deserving of the titles and honors connected with it.

As far as "being kicked in the arse" (your phrase), this is unfortunately a 'broadcast side effect" a few of us (past and present broadcasters) who genuinely LOVE the businesss have been subjected to. At some (BUT NOT ALL) Maine radio and tv stations...it's an occupational hazard even the most talented people have gone through.

You (and I) can do EXCELLENT work and keep the "vocal chords" clean 100% of the time...but that's never stopped a GM, GSM or PD from letting us go because of a "personal attitude problem" when it comes to either one of us?

Sorry if you felt I "hijacked" the thread!

argytunes
 
argytunes said:
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Sorry if you felt I "hijacked" the thread!

argytunes

my original opening post....
>> so... as working pros and casual listeners... to whom would you give props based on what you hear.
now - the stipulation is granted and accepted that you may not really care for what is available in your neighborhood, but it is what it is. it's all we got.

in an effort to keep this thread friendly - take no offense if you (the working stiff) are not mentioned. it's one of those "first things that pop into your head" things. and don't slam someone for their choice or opinion here. could be fun.<<


don't feel that you hijacked the thread. you did. sometimes the intent of getting things flowing here is to gather a little insight into what others who contribute/lurk here find interesting. we sometimes go for days with nothing fresh about which to converse. and then there are days where there's plenty going on - but much of it is animosity-based. there's an expression i use about at least one of my co-workers - "sucking the air out of a room." not everything is bad. and to cite the Loren&Wally nickname for one of their on-air co-horts - you can definitely "Dark Cloud" just about every exchange here. not that your ideas are not without merit or passion - but as we all learned, there's a time and place. surely you've had some positive experiences, both in the past and present, that you can pass on without making it a whole "World-VS-Argytunes" thing? your secondary passion is "old time radio," and i don't mean time/temp/hit-the-post. we're talking Foley artists and voice artists who could bring the entire pre-video message home. and from that, you've drawn some incredibly vivid sound images through production and presentations.
my original thought was to shine however dim a light as one might think upon our industry - upon those on whom the light may not be cast on a regular basis.
 
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Erie...

Sometimes it's easier for a few of us...who AREN'T being paid to be loyal toward or defensive about a broadcast employer...to see "the big picture'" differently than someone from 'the inside' like yourself?

Granted...I'm on the outside looking in (a.k.a. not exclusively connected to a specific radio group at the moment). But I've always believed that "the proof is in the product?" This could be in the form of a great promo, an outstanding piece of commercial copy, or an "off-the-wall, but funny comment" made by a jock before a stop set!

This doesn't mean that my thoughts are 100% correct, but then again...neither are yours? Both are just personal opinions.

I've never approached any of the subjects here (or on any of the other boards) with the idea that my 'broadcast thoughts' were more important than anybody elses? Do my feelings seem 'negative' at times? ABSOLUTELY! Do a few of 'em make others ANGRY? Probably! Many of my responses are based on the fact that the same same 'broadcast mistakes' get made over and over? It's not because the mistakes necessarily work? It's the fact that creativity & originality often take a back seat to 'commercial clutter'---or 'too much hype' about a promotion that a lot of listeners really don't care about?

So if I guess if this sort of 'negative thought' indicates a tug of war between Argytunes and The Broadcast World, I'm willing to concede your point and agree 100%! When professionals stop trying to do things better they're basically saying: "I GIVE UP!"

argytunes ;)
 
Howdy,

Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate the thoughts.

This is Dave Winsor, btw. I couldn't sign up with any name, so I took the "this name is taken" suggestion that they kept feeding me.

I kept pronouncing it "hun-die" because that's what the client wanted, despite my protests. They finally changed it to "hun-day" after a while.

Sorry for the frequency of the commercials. I've ruined many intimate moments.

Dave
 
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