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http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/> texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=donations14m&date=20050714
"The group also listed The Times, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, KIRO-TV, KUOW radio and several other news organizations as contributors for running news stories or editorials about the campaign...."
This is an interesting twist and one that really needs to be looked at. Because a lot of "think tanks" like to send their findings to news organizations, which report them as news instead of looking into who is sponsoring the think tank and what connection it has to the findings of this think tank. That's one thing a lot of news editors are guilty of.
But reporting on the hype of this story in itself does not constitute as a campaign contribution unless the story intentionally leans biased in a supportive direction. News media is supposed to give us the solid, unwashed and unbiased truth about what's going on and unless it's a specific editorial or management position that does not offer a chance for the other side to have equal time or space for rebuttal, it's not a campaign contribution. Since KVI has been lobbying hard on the air for this, in my view it IS a campaign contribution.
This is why we need to bring the Fairness Doctrine back. Yes, it will KILL KVI, KTTH and even KPTK, and send conservatives up a wall and liberals groaning in disgust. But what we need is proper balance, the no-BS, no spin Walter Cronkite kind of journalism. Where neither liberals or conservatives, Republicans or Democrats get a totally free ride and think tanks and money does not spin the news in any direction....
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"The group also listed The Times, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, KIRO-TV, KUOW radio and several other news organizations as contributors for running news stories or editorials about the campaign...."
This is an interesting twist and one that really needs to be looked at. Because a lot of "think tanks" like to send their findings to news organizations, which report them as news instead of looking into who is sponsoring the think tank and what connection it has to the findings of this think tank. That's one thing a lot of news editors are guilty of.
But reporting on the hype of this story in itself does not constitute as a campaign contribution unless the story intentionally leans biased in a supportive direction. News media is supposed to give us the solid, unwashed and unbiased truth about what's going on and unless it's a specific editorial or management position that does not offer a chance for the other side to have equal time or space for rebuttal, it's not a campaign contribution. Since KVI has been lobbying hard on the air for this, in my view it IS a campaign contribution.
This is why we need to bring the Fairness Doctrine back. Yes, it will KILL KVI, KTTH and even KPTK, and send conservatives up a wall and liberals groaning in disgust. But what we need is proper balance, the no-BS, no spin Walter Cronkite kind of journalism. Where neither liberals or conservatives, Republicans or Democrats get a totally free ride and think tanks and money does not spin the news in any direction....
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What's REALLY interesting is that the attorneys prosecuting the suit
Also stand to gain financially from the failure of I-912.
That used to be called Conflict of Interest but I guess where Washington State politics is concerned, that doesn't matter (Unless said attorny or attornies are representing a republican or a conservative cause)
Why are there no calls for KIRO, specifically Mike Webb, Erin Hart, and Dave Ross being compelled to have all of THEIR ANTI I-912 dialogue declared as an IN KIND contribution to the other side?
Also stand to gain financially from the failure of I-912.
That used to be called Conflict of Interest but I guess where Washington State politics is concerned, that doesn't matter (Unless said attorny or attornies are representing a republican or a conservative cause)
Why are there no calls for KIRO, specifically Mike Webb, Erin Hart, and Dave Ross being compelled to have all of THEIR ANTI I-912 dialogue declared as an IN KIND contribution to the other side?
Re: What's REALLY interesting is that the attorneys prosecuting the suit
Having listened to all the campaigns a fair deal, nothing Ross or hart, or nayone else hwas remotely matched what WIlbur'n Carlson did. Neither did the Seattle Times, The TV stations, or anyone else.
This, I think, is an attempt by the 912 people to cloud the issue of the 6 hour infomercial/fundraising sessions by throwing in anyone who talked about the initiave as red herrings...
Having listened to all the campaigns a fair deal, nothing Ross or hart, or nayone else hwas remotely matched what WIlbur'n Carlson did. Neither did the Seattle Times, The TV stations, or anyone else.
This, I think, is an attempt by the 912 people to cloud the issue of the 6 hour infomercial/fundraising sessions by throwing in anyone who talked about the initiave as red herrings...
If that's what you believe, then you should have no trouble
Enumerating exactly what Wilbur and Carlson did that makes uncompensated endorsement of an initiative an in kind contribution?
The fact that they talked about it for three hours a day (Which we both know is bullcrap because they didn't only talk about the initiative), doesn't even remotely meet the standard that they had to be either paid for what they said, or have been active in the actual campaign itself. as in, part of the initiative's committee.
Enumerating exactly what Wilbur and Carlson did that makes uncompensated endorsement of an initiative an in kind contribution?
The fact that they talked about it for three hours a day (Which we both know is bullcrap because they didn't only talk about the initiative), doesn't even remotely meet the standard that they had to be either paid for what they said, or have been active in the actual campaign itself. as in, part of the initiative's committee.
They did? Really? You sure about that?
Because if you'd have called during Wilbur's show and asked for petetions to gather signatures, you'd have been told to go to the website where you could either download one, or there would be information telling you where to get one.
Are you aware of a single petetion being handed out by, distributed by anyone from KVI?
As to a fund raiser?
What fund raiser did either of those hosts orgainze? Where was it? When was it?
Orginization? Are you saying that one or the other or both of them (Wilbur/Carlson) was an orgainzer of the campaign?
Where can I see this in print somewhere?
Because if you'd have called during Wilbur's show and asked for petetions to gather signatures, you'd have been told to go to the website where you could either download one, or there would be information telling you where to get one.
Are you aware of a single petetion being handed out by, distributed by anyone from KVI?
As to a fund raiser?
What fund raiser did either of those hosts orgainze? Where was it? When was it?
Orginization? Are you saying that one or the other or both of them (Wilbur/Carlson) was an orgainzer of the campaign?
Where can I see this in print somewhere?
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