LibertyNT said:
I figured as much; maybe a group of Seattle radio people or someone can buy KMCQ and make it a non-commercial a la the stations I mentioned.
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KVI is Oldies
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I figured as much; maybe a group of Seattle radio people or someone can buy KMCQ and make it a non-commercial a la the stations I mentioned.
While they could do that, it makes little financial sense to take a commercial station and make it a non-com.Scoobyfan1 said:I figured as much; maybe a group of Seattle radio people or someone can buy KMCQ and make it a non-commercial a la the stations I mentioned.LibertyNT said:any station on any freq. can become non commercial.
Going non-comm may be the best move at this point. Commercial radio is nearly dead, right? Might as well go non-comm and have some fun with it for the few of us that still care.LibertyNT said:While they could do that, it makes little financial sense to take a commercial station and make it a non-com.Scoobyfan1 said:I figured as much; maybe a group of Seattle radio people or someone can buy KMCQ and make it a non-commercial a la the stations I mentioned.LibertyNT said:any station on any freq. can become non commercial.
KJET 105.7 initial launch - When I filled a dual-deck CD changer with totally random CDs, and ran it on air for weeks, we had calls from people liking the format.
KANY 93.7 - I began with a Zara automation in random mode, and my competition spent many hours writing down the songs. This followed two weeks of chirping birds. No doubt somebody kinda liked that one too and was attempting to identify the birds.
Crazy world.
KANY 93.7 - I began with a Zara automation in random mode, and my competition spent many hours writing down the songs. This followed two weeks of chirping birds. No doubt somebody kinda liked that one too and was attempting to identify the birds.
Crazy world.
Lonely Summer said:Going non-comm may be the best move at this point. Commercial radio is nearly dead, right? Might as well go non-comm and have some fun with it for the few of us that still care.
If you're talking about KMCQ, I guess technically they're already non-profit, at least until they sell this property at a profit. In the meantime they continue to meet the station operation requirements.
Regarding your comment about commercial radio being "nearly dead", care to back that statement up with some data? Other than some discussion board or Internet blog by uninformed loons, anyone who claims that commercial radio is dead, couldn't be more wrong. AM is struggling with an audience aging-out, but as I've mentioned on numerous occasions, radio listening is up worldwide.
I got a good chuckle about the rocket-scientists that claim radio operators should go non-profit and "have fun". That would be like hotels should let people stay in the rooms for free and asking them to donate some money when they leave to cover room cleaning and maintenance.
Don't want commercials? Want to hear what you want when you want it? Then fork over your hard earned dollars for a portable MP3 device, subscribe to the music service of your choice, and you're all set. The fact is that 88% of society today still listens to good ol' free radio every day.
Guru,
Nothing like red meat being thrown to you!
On point about KVI, pretty sure that's the topic?
I tried putting on my bed side clock radio, but the weekend shows
have kaboshed that. I know many love the car show but i need music to wake up to. I'm sure good money being paid and contracts are being honored, but "How Long" Ace.
Not sure it matters, since 99% of avaiable audience doesn't even know
KVI is oldies or even cares.
Without at least a FM rim shot signal, this thing is DOA.
Nothing like red meat being thrown to you!
On point about KVI, pretty sure that's the topic?
I tried putting on my bed side clock radio, but the weekend shows
have kaboshed that. I know many love the car show but i need music to wake up to. I'm sure good money being paid and contracts are being honored, but "How Long" Ace.
Not sure it matters, since 99% of avaiable audience doesn't even know
KVI is oldies or even cares.
Without at least a FM rim shot signal, this thing is DOA.
True, as posts go, that really was an intellectual lob over the net wasn't it? I suppose I didn't need to slam it to the other side of the court, but some of the statements people make on this board in particular, are just bizarre. It's no wonder this person in particular is so 'lonely'.
I think it's safe to say that anything was probably better than the over priced talk proposition KVI was running over the past few years after losing Limbaugh. I'd be willing to bet that the car show and other weekend programming have been the cash cow of that station. Oldies helps stop the bleeding with a cost effective format, then combine the paid programming on the weekend and maybe KVI can get to a break even point before facing the next stop as with other AMs; international brokered or paid religious programming.
Even buying and operating a rim-shot FM to prop up little KVI with an older demographic would not be a good investment.
I think it's safe to say that anything was probably better than the over priced talk proposition KVI was running over the past few years after losing Limbaugh. I'd be willing to bet that the car show and other weekend programming have been the cash cow of that station. Oldies helps stop the bleeding with a cost effective format, then combine the paid programming on the weekend and maybe KVI can get to a break even point before facing the next stop as with other AMs; international brokered or paid religious programming.
Even buying and operating a rim-shot FM to prop up little KVI with an older demographic would not be a good investment.
Was just looking at the KVI website and weekends are called KVI College weekends.
I think you're right Guru, doesn't look like pay for play shows are going anywhere soon.
At least with a FM, I'm thinking 97.7 or another, the music could be 24/7.
97.7 has pretty good Sea-Tac metro coverage. Looks likes Komo is pulling almost a half
a share with it?
Seems to me, most of the demo #'s for Kvi and a oldie format would come from Renton, Burien southward. Yeah, Everett, but not as much pop that way.
I think you're right Guru, doesn't look like pay for play shows are going anywhere soon.
At least with a FM, I'm thinking 97.7 or another, the music could be 24/7.
97.7 has pretty good Sea-Tac metro coverage. Looks likes Komo is pulling almost a half
a share with it?
Seems to me, most of the demo #'s for Kvi and a oldie format would come from Renton, Burien southward. Yeah, Everett, but not as much pop that way.
My early speculation was that they would botch this format but I've been listening for the better part of the day and they seem to have nailed the music mix. It's a good assortment of the familiar plus things that haven't been played in awhile -- like Come On Down To My Boat and Gimme Little Sign. Mark Christopher is sounding good and Ric Hansen makes his return to the airwaves in just a few minutes.
About the only weird thing is that they've played 2 or 3 songs by The Platters today. It's great that they're occasionally digging back to the 50s but I'd rather hear some Buddy Holly, Gene Vincent or Chuck Berry. I don't think The Platters really fit unless they were to go much heavier with the 50s. As it is it's just too out of the blue. That said, I also heard them play Poison Ivy by the Coasters. Big thumbs up on that one.
About the only weird thing is that they've played 2 or 3 songs by The Platters today. It's great that they're occasionally digging back to the 50s but I'd rather hear some Buddy Holly, Gene Vincent or Chuck Berry. I don't think The Platters really fit unless they were to go much heavier with the 50s. As it is it's just too out of the blue. That said, I also heard them play Poison Ivy by the Coasters. Big thumbs up on that one.
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Good talent on KVI, and if they are voice tracked at little cost, then good for them. However, anything more than that will be a disaster for KVI, what with KJR-FM now signing big name talent. (Rivers). Talent isn't everything, but in this case, it is mostly everything.
KVi is definitely better with talent. Mark Christopher sure sounded live to me, taking contest winners, current time/temp, but maybe voicetracking is that good. Fooled me.
Course I bought the rumors that Rivers was headed back to KISW or KMTT. Still seems an odd fit for KJR, better when they were Classic hits. Either way, Rivers will do very well wherever he goes. I will tune in. From my listening on the way home today Kvi seems to have adjusted older with heavy early sixties and fifties as part of the playlist. With KJR going Oldies and RIvers in the morning, probably the best direction for an AM. Someone said it earlier, but I doubt KVI's game is to beat an FM KJR, but to compete on the AM dial.
Course I bought the rumors that Rivers was headed back to KISW or KMTT. Still seems an odd fit for KJR, better when they were Classic hits. Either way, Rivers will do very well wherever he goes. I will tune in. From my listening on the way home today Kvi seems to have adjusted older with heavy early sixties and fifties as part of the playlist. With KJR going Oldies and RIvers in the morning, probably the best direction for an AM. Someone said it earlier, but I doubt KVI's game is to beat an FM KJR, but to compete on the AM dial.
Scoobyfan1 said:why couldn't KMCQ apply for non-commercial status?
KTVW Channel 13 was commercial, then became non-commercial KCPQ for a few years until the area could support a second independent station. KRAB 107.7 started as non-commercial until money problems led them to sell the frequency.
Wasn't there another non-com station in the commerical band? Oh yeah: 104.5 KMIH.
AAllen said:Scoobyfan1 said:why couldn't KMCQ apply for non-commercial status?
KTVW Channel 13 was commercial, then became non-commercial KCPQ for a few years until the area could support a second independent station. KRAB 107.7 started as non-commercial until money problems led them to sell the frequency.
Wasn't there another non-com station in the commerical band? Oh yeah: 104.5 KMIH.
I remember reading about KTVW, and that was indeed the case; if KMCQ could get together possibly a group of former Seattle area Radio DJs, Pat O' Day, maybe Gary Lockwood and maybe a few others, maybe the station could stay the way they are right now.
If some of the long time radio people that are still in the area knew what KMCQ sounded like(and I know some of them do because I saw a video online with Norm Gregory tuning in the station and I guess he looked impressed); maybe a group of them would get together and buy the station, maybe to give Seattle-Tacoma a true oldies station, playing anything and everything, if done well it could work.
Scoobyfan1 said:If some of the long time radio people that are still in the area knew what KMCQ sounded like(and I know some of them do because I saw a video online with Norm Gregory tuning in the station and I guess he looked impressed); maybe a group of them would get together and buy the station, maybe to give Seattle-Tacoma a true oldies station, playing anything and everything, if done well it could work.
Buying the station is the easy part of your "dream". It's meeting the day to day expenses that is the REAL challenge. And once again, reality is that "playing anything and everything" doesn't pay the bills.
ya...if theyd switch to a tight top 100 song playlist of the top hits of the 70's, youd see some real numbers huh.
none of them DJ legends you mentioned is livin large enough to purchase a big market FM, and probably too financially astute even if they could. all these major market stations were superficially bubbled up in a mass major market buying frenzy, created by the FCC ownership rule changes years ago(who lobbied for that?). the only potential buyers are large corporate entities. many of which, are currently mired down making large payments for many large market stations that were bought at the top of the bubble. but, its a cool idea many have pondered about as well. but, you never know how much the value will drop in the months and years ahead.
SRP said:Scoobyfan1 said:If some of the long time radio people that are still in the area knew what KMCQ sounded like(and I know some of them do because I saw a video online with Norm Gregory tuning in the station and I guess he looked impressed); maybe a group of them would get together and buy the station, maybe to give Seattle-Tacoma a true oldies station, playing anything and everything, if done well it could work.
Buying the station is the easy part of your "dream". It's meeting the day to day expenses that is the REAL challenge. And once again, reality is that "playing anything and everything" doesn't pay the bills.
none of them DJ legends you mentioned is livin large enough to purchase a big market FM, and probably too financially astute even if they could. all these major market stations were superficially bubbled up in a mass major market buying frenzy, created by the FCC ownership rule changes years ago(who lobbied for that?). the only potential buyers are large corporate entities. many of which, are currently mired down making large payments for many large market stations that were bought at the top of the bubble. but, its a cool idea many have pondered about as well. but, you never know how much the value will drop in the months and years ahead.
I fail to see the reason a few people on this board regularly dismiss KMCQ's music programming as "all over the road." It isn't. It is actually a truer representation of pop music, and it was heard when first released, than the highly predictable tiny playlist stations who won't expand their music beyond a couple hundred "hits."
That was never the case for pop radio, since there was always new material coming out, and recurrents didn't air in the same rotation for eternity. Pretty much everything I've heard on KMCQ's version of the format I did indeed heard "back in the day," and it brings me a smile of recognition, rather than a groan of "not that old song again" that I get a lot from KVI or KJR-FM. Perhaps their playlist, besides being a lot broader, includes more non-rock pop material, which a few old boys won't appreciate.
But I dare suggest most listeners aren't interesting in just listening for the Billboard top 10 lists from a 20 year period, every day, every year. They listen to music. And when you can provide segues of rhythms and compatible styles like KMCQ manages to routinely do - without even having a live DJ picking what will sound really good after a particular song -- and make the music really shine in context - then there's no reason to disparage it or their efforts to entertain.
I actually hear KMCQ on in the background of Seattle stores more than other radio stations, so the fact that they're not being measured or are just in a holding pattern trying to be sold is no reason to dismiss the product they are able to broadcast. Unless you only like "both kinds of music" and are looking for a reason to bitch when someone does it differently than you would. But then, people with that narrow a take on music probably don't really like music that much after all.
I suggest most listeners can discern when there's people who enjoy the music they're playing who are deciding what gets aired, and when it's a computer generated equivalent of "random search" on a compilation CD of a small playlist that's been tested by people wearing suits in artificial environments in places and seasons unrelated to what we're experiencing here and now.
That was never the case for pop radio, since there was always new material coming out, and recurrents didn't air in the same rotation for eternity. Pretty much everything I've heard on KMCQ's version of the format I did indeed heard "back in the day," and it brings me a smile of recognition, rather than a groan of "not that old song again" that I get a lot from KVI or KJR-FM. Perhaps their playlist, besides being a lot broader, includes more non-rock pop material, which a few old boys won't appreciate.
But I dare suggest most listeners aren't interesting in just listening for the Billboard top 10 lists from a 20 year period, every day, every year. They listen to music. And when you can provide segues of rhythms and compatible styles like KMCQ manages to routinely do - without even having a live DJ picking what will sound really good after a particular song -- and make the music really shine in context - then there's no reason to disparage it or their efforts to entertain.
I actually hear KMCQ on in the background of Seattle stores more than other radio stations, so the fact that they're not being measured or are just in a holding pattern trying to be sold is no reason to dismiss the product they are able to broadcast. Unless you only like "both kinds of music" and are looking for a reason to bitch when someone does it differently than you would. But then, people with that narrow a take on music probably don't really like music that much after all.
I suggest most listeners can discern when there's people who enjoy the music they're playing who are deciding what gets aired, and when it's a computer generated equivalent of "random search" on a compilation CD of a small playlist that's been tested by people wearing suits in artificial environments in places and seasons unrelated to what we're experiencing here and now.
damn.........guru, these posts just continue and continue........just as soon as you learn up one poster(the naive arm chairs) on the way it is and the standard operating procedure, and normal protocol, another one appears like shark teeth poking a stick at the tight oldies playlists.
perhaps, goldilocks needs to be sent to programming re-education camp in siberia, right czar radioTV guru?
repeat after us: "KMCQ is not a real radio station". "a couple hundred hits over and over gets the rating numbers and makes money"
guru, if we could just get some of these posters to drink up and enjoy the SOP kool-aid, everything would be in perfect alignment.............
perhaps, goldilocks needs to be sent to programming re-education camp in siberia, right czar radioTV guru?
repeat after us: "KMCQ is not a real radio station". "a couple hundred hits over and over gets the rating numbers and makes money"
guru, if we could just get some of these posters to drink up and enjoy the SOP kool-aid, everything would be in perfect alignment.............
scott salvatori said:perhaps, goldilocks needs to be sent to programming re-education camp in siberia, right czar radioTV guru?
Or perhaps just reading the prior posts would be a good starting point. It would save extra wear and tear on her fingers typing more nonsense.
TVradioguru said:scott salvatori said:perhaps, goldilocks needs to be sent to programming re-education camp in siberia, right czar radioTV guru?
Or perhaps just reading the prior posts would be a good starting point. It would save extra wear and tear on her fingers typing more nonsense.
nah, that would deny salvatori the joy of repeatedly rehashing his retreaded arguments on how radio sucks today. i mean he can't even figure out who's posting what. he slams the guru but in reality it's the cb handle who made the post. i guess simple minds need something to keep them occupied.
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