Heard them do a liner where they said they had their music in "High Definition" cued up. Whatever happened to truth in labeling. Check the FCC filings and you'll seen the Ibiquity HD system stands for "Hybrid Digital." Please don't try to scam the listeners into thinking the HD in HD Radio stands for high definition. It doesn't.
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KVIL transmits in "High Definition?"
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fredcantu said:
I agree, Fred. It's unfortunate that television's conversion to digital, which likely unknown to most viewers doesn't necessarily mean high definition, coincided somewhat with the introduction of hybrid digital on radio. It's amazing that some radio stations decided to capitalize on that lack of understanding. I guess they think the description sounds good, even if it's patently wrong.
LibertyNT said:
Yes, and do you remember "CD 107.5" (KCDU)? At least they weren't lying about that since they were playing all their music from CD's (although the Oasis, then at 106.1, may have been the first station in the market to do that). I'm still waiting for one to call itself "Hard Drive," or "The Bird."
I think in this case "high definition" just means the audio is of better quality. KVIL is 100% digital. Some stations still have analog in their paths at some point.
How exactly are the listeners getting scammed?
How exactly are the listeners getting scammed?
fredcantu said:
According to iBiquity, that is false. HD doesn't stand for anything.
http://www.hdradio.com/faq.php
For the record, KVIL ... NEVER ... had lots of compression, especially during the so-called "heyday" late 70's - early 90's era. There was usually a "slight" touch of reverb but even that was gone by the late 80's. Until well into the 80's, KVIL didn't even use a mic processor and very little compression.
Ron found a study that showed the female ear has different qualitites than the male ear and that the female ear was more receptive of harsh, high pitch sounds, deep bass and fatigue. The study also showed that a typical female listener would turn away from a station when they heard these things more often than not because it was essentially painful to their ear. For this reason, by design, during those times KVIL did everything possible to eliminate those sounds - including editing songs generously when deemed necessary.
I do recall one day in 1979 when KVIL tried out a new audio processor when we were still in the old Park Cities Bank building in downtown Highland Park. For ONE DAY it sounded like Z-97, V E R Y processed and LOUD...everyone HATED it and that processor went back to the manufacturer after that one day... Other than that, KVIL ran minimum processing for many years.
Just .. for the record from someone who was actually there.
Ron found a study that showed the female ear has different qualitites than the male ear and that the female ear was more receptive of harsh, high pitch sounds, deep bass and fatigue. The study also showed that a typical female listener would turn away from a station when they heard these things more often than not because it was essentially painful to their ear. For this reason, by design, during those times KVIL did everything possible to eliminate those sounds - including editing songs generously when deemed necessary.
I do recall one day in 1979 when KVIL tried out a new audio processor when we were still in the old Park Cities Bank building in downtown Highland Park. For ONE DAY it sounded like Z-97, V E R Y processed and LOUD...everyone HATED it and that processor went back to the manufacturer after that one day... Other than that, KVIL ran minimum processing for many years.
Just .. for the record from someone who was actually there.
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AndyWaldrop
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When we built the studios in the bank building on the northeast corner of Central and Mockingbird (I think that was the Capital Bank Building), Jerry Klabunde and crew had the ability to process the audio on that station without it sounding processed. There's an art to that!
Very interesting, Steve, thanks! 
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EbolaMonkey
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I don't buy that, Ben. Whoever wrote that copy likely thinks HD Radio stands for High Definition Radio. However, I don't assume there is any intent to scam. The copy writer is probably just ignorant. Many are.
I've never been a big believer in "everything has to be digital" in the airchain. The main thing is it has to have good specs all the way though the air chain. It doesn't make a damn if you're console is digital or not. It's does matter if the caps are 10 years old, and dried up where they won't pass specs. With that being said, coverting from digital audio to analog then back to digital then back to analog, rate coverting, etc. is somewhat distructive. The most destructive is lossy comression like mp whatever. In this day and age, the best thing a station in most cases can do for itself is get linear audio. Mpeg crud is simply inferior and unecessary with larger hard drives that are available for reasonable prices today. Mpeg crud + "HD Radio = earstopper...
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