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KVIL

CBS AC KVIL had been a successful AC station for a long time except they have not been doing well over the past decade. I think KVIL can get back to the top once again even when it's sister KLUV and KJKK are in the way and it's competitor KDMX and KHKS are in the way.

KVIL playlist is pretty decent, but it's very narrow though. They keep playing the same set of 70s and 80s songs over and over again. I think it's time for them to expand their playlist to a much better variety like CC's successful AC KODA from Houston. They should have more 70s and 80s songs added to their playlist while they should have more newer songs added to their playlist as well.

They keep playing the same 70s and 80s songs over and over again in rotation throughout the year while they only updated their playlist once a year and they need to play more selection of songs from the 70s and 80s. They are slow on new songs too and they need to start playing more new songs as soon as it became an AC hit.
 
andrewduong77 said:
CBS AC KVIL had been a successful AC station for a long time except they have not been doing well over the past decade. I think KVIL can get back to the top once again even when it's sister KLUV and KJKK are in the way and it's competitor KDMX and KHKS are in the way.

KVIL playlist is pretty decent, but it's very narrow though. They keep playing the same set of 70s and 80s songs over and over again. I think it's time for them to expand their playlist to a much better variety like CC's successful AC KODA from Houston. They should have more 70s and 80s songs added to their playlist while they should have more newer songs added to their playlist as well.

They keep playing the same 70s and 80s songs over and over again in rotation throughout the year while they only updated their playlist once a year and they need to play more selection of songs from the 70s and 80s. They are slow on new songs too and they need to start playing more new songs as soon as it became an AC hit.

I agree, KVIL needs to play at least 2 of Selena's Songs that were big hits when they were played on a englsh-language station "Dreaming Of You" and that other one she had that was in english.
 
LibertyNT said:
They probably stay narrow on the 70's and 80's to prevent siphoning off listeners from KLUV.
Yeah, that's probably the reason why. Although I think they still need to have a wider selection of the 70s and 80s as most AC does. Plus, they're also slow on new songs, they need to jump on new songs a lot quicker in order to compete with KDMX and KHKS. Most AC does jump on new songs quickly.

A successful AC station is good at balancing the amount of 70s, 80s, and 90s with currents. Sometimes an AC station can be unsuccessful because they either play too much old songs or too much new songs regardless of the demo in the market.

A successful AC station has greater variety of the 70s and 80s. Sometimes an AC can be unsuccessful because it lacks too many 70s and 80s. Even 70s and 80s may be too old for AC, but most AC out there still play them a lot.

A successful AC station jumps on currents quickly, especially if it's a Mainstream AC station. Sometimes an AC can be unsuccessful because it lacks too many currents. AC can continue to play older stuffs, but they need to to jump onto more currents as well.

KVIL don't have to be so conservative on the 70s and 80s to protect KLUV, it's hurting them. They also got KDMX and KHKS to compete, so they need to play more currents quickly as well. Right now, they're not playing enough old songs and new songs to stay viable in the market.

Look at KODA in Houston, they play three 70s per hour while jumping on more currents quickly which put them to the top of the market throughout the whole year rather than just the Holiday season.
 
charles123 said:
andrewduong77 said:
CBS AC KVIL had been a successful AC station for a long time except they have not been doing well over the past decade. I think KVIL can get back to the top once again even when it's sister KLUV and KJKK are in the way and it's competitor KDMX and KHKS are in the way.

KVIL playlist is pretty decent, but it's very narrow though. They keep playing the same set of 70s and 80s songs over and over again. I think it's time for them to expand their playlist to a much better variety like CC's successful AC KODA from Houston. They should have more 70s and 80s songs added to their playlist while they should have more newer songs added to their playlist as well.

They keep playing the same 70s and 80s songs over and over again in rotation throughout the year while they only updated their playlist once a year and they need to play more selection of songs from the 70s and 80s. They are slow on new songs too and they need to start playing more new songs as soon as it became an AC hit.

I agree, KVIL needs to play at least 2 of Selena's Songs that were big hits when they were played on a englsh-language station "Dreaming Of You" and that other one she had that was in english.
I know right... There are things that KVIL can throw in that wouldn't hurt KLUV shares much. For example, Selena's "Dreaming Of You" and "I Could Fall In Love" (as you mentioned above), Vanessa Williams' "Save The Best For Last", Cutting Crew's "(I Just) Died In Your Arms", Berlin's "Take My Breath Away", Crowded House's "Don't Dream It's Over", Breathe's "Hands To Heaven", Mike & The Mechanics' "The Living Years", and Chris DeBurgh's "The Lady In Red" would be a perfect fit for KVIL. There are some great 80s and 90s stuffs that KVIL could throw in.
 
could light-metal/harder power ballad songs like the Scorpions "Still Loving You" or Cinderella's "Nobody's Fool" be worked into the playlist?
 
They are good though. KVIL's sister KJKK Jack FM (Adult Hits) plays them. I'm not sure how well they would fit AC. I'm sure most AC stations out there play stuffs like Bon Jovi's "You Give Love A Bad Name" and Boston's "More Than A Feeling" and it worked out well for most AC stations out there. So, maybe The Scorpions' "Still Loving You" or Cinderella's "Nobody's Fool" would be a good fit for AC like KVIL.
 
Basketballfan said:
could light-metal/harder power ballad songs like the Scorpions "Still Loving You" or Cinderella's "Nobody's Fool" be worked into the playlist?

Are you kidding????????????
 
andrewduong77 said:
They are good though. KVIL's sister KJKK Jack FM (Adult Hits) plays them. I'm not sure how well they would fit AC. I'm sure most AC stations out there play stuffs like Bon Jovi's "You Give Love A Bad Name" and Boston's "More Than A Feeling" and it worked out well for most AC stations out there. So, maybe The Scorpions' "Still Loving You" or Cinderella's "Nobody's Fool" would be a good fit for AC like KVIL.

Again, are you kidding????????
 
What I recall hearing from some who worked at KVIL in it's heydays. The formula then was about 500 songs in rotation. About 10 of those would be currents & played more frequently. + they could play almost any song that was appropriate to follow a bit.
 
andrewduong77 said:
They are good though. KVIL's sister KJKK Jack FM (Adult Hits) plays them. I'm not sure how well they would fit AC.

It would be interesting to see what happened if some ACs actually tried auditorium testing some of these songs -- assuming that anyone is still willing to spend money on auditorium tests of their music libraries.

I have a suspicion that not all of the assumptions about what songs do and don't fit the AC format are particularly accurate. Consider that a core 40 year old AC listener was a teenager in the eighties, and may have some fond memories of songs from eighties-era CHRs that may be considered to "hard" for AC by most programmers.

Have those listeners "outgrown" those songs...maybe, maybe not.
 
I remember KVIL still sounds pretty good when I moved to DFW when I was 11 in 2003 and it sounded good throughout the years I were in middle school. :)
 
dfaulkner said:
What I recall hearing from some who worked at KVIL in it's heydays. The formula then was about 500 songs in rotation. About 10 of those would be currents & played more frequently. + they could play almost any song that was appropriate to follow a bit.

ACTUALLY....when I started there in 1978, we played 7 currents and a list of 400 songs, about 100 of which were "powered".

These were tested songs and if they didn't "test well", we didn't play them regardless of anything else.
I recall "If" by Bread was the top testing song for several years.

Yes, there was a LOT of repetition, but the songs were only the best of the best - and - KVIL was the #1 station, not only 25-54 Adults, but often 12+ as well.

Of course in those days, music was probably NOT the most important programming element on the radio station. Unheard of these days, but Personality, Promotion, and Information preceded music in order of importance. Having said that, each of those elements were treated as if they WERE thee most important programming element on the radio station, music included.

There never was a "hot clock" that told the jock when to say what - that was completely left to the discretion of the air personality - meaning you could essentially say whatever you wanted anytime during each hour.
The one thing you could not deviate from in any way was the music. We used a flip card system for music rotation. This was achieved by the use of several rolodex card holders full of cards with the songs name and artists plus intro, total time, and end note, plus where the song could be found. Very few were on cart, most either 45's or LP cuts.
A typical card file looked like this:

IF LP-B-10
BREAD cut 3

:20/2:28/COLD

There were oranges (up tempo powered library), Blues (down tempo powered library). Yellow (up tempo slower rotated songs)
There was a purple category (down tempo slower rotated songs), and Reds (dayparted 4pm-2am).

I actually have the KVIL Orange rolodex at home and use it as my phone number index at my desk.

You had to "play it as it layed" as Ron used to say. And to quote him further, "..if 2 Carpenters songs come up back to back, just play 'em, it might not sound half bad.".

With those few songs being played 24/7/365, they sure burned out on those of us working there, and I'd bet given the task, I could probably take a yellow pad and write the names of every one by memory, 30 years later.. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

As a jock on the station, the music was almost a second thought. We were always on the hunt for a phone call to air, something to relate, or an observation to fit over the next intro or outro fade.

I also recall that outside of morning drive, the rule was "no stopping down and talking over dead air. All content was placed over an intro, unless it was "...better than the Bee Gees...", and if you stopped to talk - it better have been!

It created an incredible forward momentum format that constantly moved and did not bog down. If you didn't like the content, well, your favorite song is playing underneath it so hang in there. It worked. Other stations would stop down and talk endlessly, perhaps even providing uselful or entertaining material BUT stopping the station to do so. Outside of Morning Drive, KVIL of the time, very rarely did that.

Could the format of KVIL from those days work today...I think it could, but there aren't many around who know how it was really done to begin with.

Fun times.
 
Steve Eberhart - Thank you for sharing that. Listening to KVIL in those days was great fun. Something related that comes to mind: Didn't hear title & artist announced very often.
 
Disregard. Posted in the wrong thread. My apologies.
 
dfaulkner said:
Steve Eberhart - Thank you for sharing that. Listening to KVIL in those days was great fun. Something related that comes to mind: Didn't hear title & artist announced very often.

....actually, title and artist were largely irrelevant, only mentioned if it was relevant.
 
Steve Eberhart said:
dfaulkner said:
What I recall hearing from some who worked at KVIL in it's heydays. The formula then was about 500 songs in rotation. About 10 of those would be currents & played more frequently. + they could play almost any song that was appropriate to follow a bit.

ACTUALLY....when I started there in 1978, we played 7 currents and a list of 400 songs, about 100 of which were "powered".

These were tested songs and if they didn't "test well", we didn't play them regardless of anything else.
I recall "If" by Bread was the top testing song for several years.

Yes, there was a LOT of repetition, but the songs were only the best of the best - and - KVIL was the #1 station, not only 25-54 Adults, but often 12+ as well.

Of course in those days, music was probably NOT the most important programming element on the radio station. Unheard of these days, but Personality, Promotion, and Information preceded music in order of importance. Having said that, each of those elements were treated as if they WERE thee most important programming element on the radio station, music included.

There never was a "hot clock" that told the jock when to say what - that was completely left to the discretion of the air personality - meaning you could essentially say whatever you wanted anytime during each hour.
The one thing you could not deviate from in any way was the music. We used a flip card system for music rotation. This was achieved by the use of several rolodex card holders full of cards with the songs name and artists plus intro, total time, and end note, plus where the song could be found. Very few were on cart, most either 45's or LP cuts.
A typical card file looked like this:

IF LP-B-10
BREAD cut 3

:20/2:28/COLD

There were oranges (up tempo powered library), Blues (down tempo powered library). Yellow (up tempo slower rotated songs)
There was a purple category (down tempo slower rotated songs), and Reds (dayparted 4pm-2am).

I actually have the KVIL Orange rolodex at home and use it as my phone number index at my desk.

You had to "play it as it layed" as Ron used to say. And to quote him further, "..if 2 Carpenters songs come up back to back, just play 'em, it might not sound half bad.".

With those few songs being played 24/7/365, they sure burned out on those of us working there, and I'd bet given the task, I could probably take a yellow pad and write the names of every one by memory, 30 years later.. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

As a jock on the station, the music was almost a second thought. We were always on the hunt for a phone call to air, something to relate, or an observation to fit over the next intro or outro fade.

I also recall that outside of morning drive, the rule was "no stopping down and talking over dead air. All content was placed over an intro, unless it was "...better than the Bee Gees...", and if you stopped to talk - it better have been!

It created an incredible forward momentum format that constantly moved and did not bog down. If you didn't like the content, well, your favorite song is playing underneath it so hang in there. It worked. Other stations would stop down and talk endlessly, perhaps even providing uselful or entertaining material BUT stopping the station to do so. Outside of Morning Drive, KVIL of the time, very rarely did that.

Could the format of KVIL from those days work today...I think it could, but there aren't many around who know how it was really done to begin with.

Fun times.

Steve,

Great info. Explains why I couldn't listen to KVIL for more than a few minutes at a time. ;D

The other interesting tidbit was the fact most of your songs were off vinyl. Did you ever experience any issues with cueing records (like scratches or digging into the first half-second of the music) or did you just start the record cold and hope the timing worked out?
 
Great to hear from Steve again...
Promotion- no one did it better than KVIL. They promoted everything, 2am or 2pm.

"incredible forward momentum format"- When I listen to old KVIL airchecks that is the first thing I hear. We did the same format/style on a country station in Central Texas at the time. I could do a 3 hour airshift and never not be talking over the music. Our jocks also had the freedom to make music selections that carried the station, kept you from tuning out because you thought you might miss something. I played a KVIL aircheck for a young friend who is the morning sidekick on an Active Rock station today, she is 22 and also does a weekend airshift. She had never heard anything like that "incredible forward momentum format", when I explained to her what they were doing and why, she was amazed. She got it, but no station in her companies cluster (including a couple of AC stations) or no station she had ever heard sounded like this. It was all a totally new idea for her. Yes, I'm not sure anyone in radio could pull this off today, but I sure would if I woke up tomorrow and had a AC or country station to program.

KVIL - what great call letters, what great jingles. You knew what station you were listening to, it had a sound and although the sound/mood of the station changed in different dayparts, you always knew it was KVIL.
 
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