http://kgmi.com/Bellingham-Says-Goodbye-To-KVOS/12479283
They're still on the air. But not for long.......
They're still on the air. But not for long.......
-
Get involved.
We want your input!
Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.
After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.
After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/
Thanks in advance and have fun!
RadioDiscussions Administrators
KVOS-TV (1953-2012)
- Thread starter Bongwater
- Start date
I was trying to interpret that article yesterday. So the game plan is to buy the station and sell the frequency at a profit and that's IT?
I saw they let people on Orcas go ... always a sign to me that bean counters are running the show when they decide the people who keep you ON THE AIR are "useless meat"!!
So sad.
Seems people who run the stations nowdays would be ecstatic if they could figure out how to just send invoices for advertisements that never run on a station that never broadcasts. Selling & producing the ads, assembling content, and powering the transmitter are all useless expenses.
Or they can adopt the KMCQ model which is basically "do nothing" and just run ads when the phone rings from the occasional listener or national "sweep the market" buys.
I saw they let people on Orcas go ... always a sign to me that bean counters are running the show when they decide the people who keep you ON THE AIR are "useless meat"!!
So sad.
Seems people who run the stations nowdays would be ecstatic if they could figure out how to just send invoices for advertisements that never run on a station that never broadcasts. Selling & producing the ads, assembling content, and powering the transmitter are all useless expenses.
Or they can adopt the KMCQ model which is basically "do nothing" and just run ads when the phone rings from the occasional listener or national "sweep the market" buys.
crainbebo said:
If KVOS left the airwaves or disaffiliated with MeTV, KONG 16.2 would be an ideal choice.
Wow. And I love their programming. Lost in Space, Outer Limits, WWWest..
It really is nice to see shows like Mary Tyler Moore Show, Dick Van Dyke, All in the Family, and other of what I consider the "top tier" of "classic TV" shows carried by My-TV. The new schedule on Comcast ch 116 of infomercials and retreads from other rerun channels, instead of Universal Sports, is the last thing we need.
It was a real pleasure to see a few episodes of "Here Come The Brides" on My-TV, for a little Seattle fantasy viewing from my formative years. (I'm not sure if it still airs on Sunday mornings.) Nice to see how many of these shows appear to have either been digitally restored, or else My TV is running some of the best-preserved film copies out there of these shows.
Years ago, say, when the Mary Tyler Moore show ran as a rerun on independent local TV stations, the film had gotten go scratchy, the color was faded, and the sound was muffled. Made you sad to see how copies of the show hadn't been handled well over the years -- and to realize that if only a couple of decades could decay a reel of film like that, then are the years doing to us??!!
Since KVOS has finally landed a spot of Seattle Comcast in the past year (apparently a bit too late for KVOS, however), and is also included on the cable systems in Vancouver and Victoria BC, and all cities in between, you'd think it could be worth something for such a reach. But their commercial load of Vancouver-based advertisers seems to have dried up. I suspect it's for lack of a sales force.
It was a real pleasure to see a few episodes of "Here Come The Brides" on My-TV, for a little Seattle fantasy viewing from my formative years. (I'm not sure if it still airs on Sunday mornings.) Nice to see how many of these shows appear to have either been digitally restored, or else My TV is running some of the best-preserved film copies out there of these shows.
Years ago, say, when the Mary Tyler Moore show ran as a rerun on independent local TV stations, the film had gotten go scratchy, the color was faded, and the sound was muffled. Made you sad to see how copies of the show hadn't been handled well over the years -- and to realize that if only a couple of decades could decay a reel of film like that, then are the years doing to us??!!
Since KVOS has finally landed a spot of Seattle Comcast in the past year (apparently a bit too late for KVOS, however), and is also included on the cable systems in Vancouver and Victoria BC, and all cities in between, you'd think it could be worth something for such a reach. But their commercial load of Vancouver-based advertisers seems to have dried up. I suspect it's for lack of a sales force.
As much as I hate to praise ClearChannel for much of anything, I thought that they years they owned the station brought it some of it's better branding and positioning, aiming it at Vancouver and getting it better syndicated programming (and would assume the ad dollars the came with it). After CC sold it, that seemed to me the beginning of the downhill slide....
Although MeTV is awesome (it's pretty much how TV Land used to before Viacom screwed it up, along with every other cable channel abandoning their "core programming" to go after a wide audience), it's just another digital network that would usually be on a sub channel--but just happens to be the primary. It was clear that by sticking MeTV as their primary affiliation, the post-CC owners were just biding their time for the right offer to come along, and picking up a few local bucks from the Casino and Dentists/Attorneys of Bellingham to keep their losses to a minimum.
James
Although MeTV is awesome (it's pretty much how TV Land used to before Viacom screwed it up, along with every other cable channel abandoning their "core programming" to go after a wide audience), it's just another digital network that would usually be on a sub channel--but just happens to be the primary. It was clear that by sticking MeTV as their primary affiliation, the post-CC owners were just biding their time for the right offer to come along, and picking up a few local bucks from the Casino and Dentists/Attorneys of Bellingham to keep their losses to a minimum.
James
You'd think a station that has carriage in Vancouver, Seattle and Victoria would figure out SOMETHING to do to attract an audience.
I suppose two things come to mind: Religion. That would be good for a TV station that has maybe more Canadian viewers than American. Donations are easy to collect by having a post office box on the Canadian side of the border.
Or ethnic. Vancouver has a couple of ethnic channels, mostly Mandarin and Cantonese Chinese. But with Vancouver being such an international city, another ethnic broadcaster might work. After all, Blaine and Bellingham have religious and Indian radio stations primarily aimed at Vancouver.
The Vancouver and Victoria cable systems are limited in how many over-the-air U.S. TV signals they can carry. It would be a shame for this allocation to disappear.
I suppose two things come to mind: Religion. That would be good for a TV station that has maybe more Canadian viewers than American. Donations are easy to collect by having a post office box on the Canadian side of the border.
Or ethnic. Vancouver has a couple of ethnic channels, mostly Mandarin and Cantonese Chinese. But with Vancouver being such an international city, another ethnic broadcaster might work. After all, Blaine and Bellingham have religious and Indian radio stations primarily aimed at Vancouver.
The Vancouver and Victoria cable systems are limited in how many over-the-air U.S. TV signals they can carry. It would be a shame for this allocation to disappear.
Gregg said:
You have to realize the CTRC is more strict with the programming than the american counterpart. If they switch to an ethnic channel, CTRC may force the cable operators to drop KVOS in Canada. KBCB tried Chinese program in the past, but it failed, they cannot get the CTRC approval in their local cable system.
So what is the point of purchasing the station in the first place if they are just going to shut it down? I mean, if they are just turning it into a repeater of some national network, I thought we were pretty much at that stage with MeTV... and even then you need a couple AE's and a contract engineer. Maybe this isn't goodbye like everyone is claiming, but just a classic case of "new owners want new blood" that happens at radio stations all the time. I mean, I just flipped on KVOS and MeTV is still there....
If I wanted to keep wearing the conspiracy hat, I could say that with Dell Computer involved, I would think it could have something to do with the frequency for other uses--but the FCC would obviously have a say in that, no? I can't see them allowing the shutdown of a TV station for use in datacasting or mobile broadband... besides, there are many more entrenched players, unless Dell has been on a buying spree and are about to petition to try and "reclaim" some spectrum similar to how Qualcomm got MediaFlo pushed through years ago by buying up a bunch of TV stations on channels 55 an d 56--and is now part of the cellular network's LTE plans (although I believe Echostar owns many those licenses since they are still considered broadcast-only and only 6 mhz. wide)
Seems puzzling...
James
If I wanted to keep wearing the conspiracy hat, I could say that with Dell Computer involved, I would think it could have something to do with the frequency for other uses--but the FCC would obviously have a say in that, no? I can't see them allowing the shutdown of a TV station for use in datacasting or mobile broadband... besides, there are many more entrenched players, unless Dell has been on a buying spree and are about to petition to try and "reclaim" some spectrum similar to how Qualcomm got MediaFlo pushed through years ago by buying up a bunch of TV stations on channels 55 an d 56--and is now part of the cellular network's LTE plans (although I believe Echostar owns many those licenses since they are still considered broadcast-only and only 6 mhz. wide)
Seems puzzling...
James
What's going on is that the new owners bought KVOS-TV with the hope of cashing in at upcoming spectrum auctions. Essentially, they're counting on the spectrum that KVOS occupies being more valuable than the station. They'll keep the station on the air in order to keep the license until those spectrum auctions occur. At that time, they hope to cash out and shut the station down.
Of course, if they don't see the value at auction that they're hoping for, it could turn out to be a real money loser. Truthfully, if that happens I'll be laughing my rear off...
Of course, if they don't see the value at auction that they're hoping for, it could turn out to be a real money loser. Truthfully, if that happens I'll be laughing my rear off...
TexasTom said:
Except that KVOS is on channel 38... which is in the range of 614 mhz. IIRC.... The last spectrum auctions that were held were for channels 53-69, or 704-806 mhz. This has became the "700 Mhz. Cellular" block, and is primarily what Verizon Wireless and to a lesser extent, AT&T and US Cellular have been using to build out the LTE networks they have been pushing so hard lately.
As far as I have heard, they might only consider wiping down to about 650mhz. for cellular in future auctions--which means TV owners between channels 45-52 could potentially cash in (one of the few times in history you can actually hear that said lol)
Also, realistically--how many more TV station allocations can they wipe out in the name of mobile broadband? It has been proven that with digital TV it works the opposite of analog--higher band UHF is actually the better place to be.
James
Actually it's on Ch. 35. And that's not the ONLY thing they're selling
http://whatcomcountysearch.com/328264
The 1151 Ellis St. studios of KVOS are yours....for a cool $1,000,000.
http://whatcomcountysearch.com/328264
The 1151 Ellis St. studios of KVOS are yours....for a cool $1,000,000.
ssndradio said:
What was last discussed would have allowed *all* channels to participate in an "incentive auction". The way I read it (it's pretty complex..) if you're on channel 17, and you offer to sell for $1,000,000.. and the station on channel 46 wants $2,000,000.. they'll buy you and modify channel 46's license to specify channel 17. Then, they'll auction channel 46 to the land-mobile folks.
Apparently there are provisions that prevent them from *forcing* a station to move from UHF to VHF, or from high-VHF to low-VHF.
I see it's still PSIP 12.
Did KVOS-TV give up its CBS affiliation? When and why?
Did KVOS-TV give up its CBS affiliation? When and why?
- Status